(L) Date A Live [Light Novel]

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Debateable.

Kurumi.
Kotori. (she's fine right now, but when she grows out of being jailbait.... )
Yamai Twins.

Not that Tohka's not hawt, but she has plenty of rivals.

They need to show everything 5 years later, and make sure Kotori's and Shidou's parents are off to another trip.


When they come back, they shall meet their grand child =D

[shadow1296]

Originally Posted by holybell84

They need to show everything 5 years later, and make sure Kotori's and Shidou's parents are off to another trip.


When they come back, they shall meet their grand child =D

don't you mean grandchildren

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by holybell84

They need to show everything 5 years later, and make sure Kotori's and Shidou's parents are off to another trip.


When they come back, they shall meet their grand child =D

question is whose the mother he may be doing all this kissing but he's still yuuki rito without the falling. The guy gets nervous with even simple eroticism. Ever notice that the shows with the most Doujinshi's are the ones where you beg the character to nail somebody but u know he's too chicken to pick one girl. He's a classic harem MC has girls doesn't want one.

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Debateable.

Kurumi.
Kotori. (she's fine right now, but when she grows out of being jailbait.... )
Yamai Twins.

Not that Tohka's not hawt, but she has plenty of rivals.

dem tsunako art are hawt..end

[XFire]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to control himself as nearly all his thoughts were, "that sounded realy erotic that can't be right". And the fact he is on a first name basis with her does show he is closer then just a classmate

He was forced to do that. Just like he is always forced to be around her. Has he ever voluntarily spent time with her?

Originally Posted by kagato3

No he has tried to be there for her and at the time she chose her revenge rather then him. It isn't untill after the events of volume 4 that she starts to turn away from that path.

Spoiler for volume 2:

"I beg you. Even if it's little, even if it is a little it's okay. If Yoshino appears from the other world this time, try talking to her— Just like what you said, there might be evil Spirits out there. But, Tohka and Yoshino— I don't know how am I going to put this into words but…they are really...good people…! Those girls are really kind, they are so kind that it is rare to find them even in human society……!"

"………"

Without saying anything, Origami was staring at Shidou in a very calm state.

It was quiet. But he could not feel that cold and mysterious air anymore; it was a mysterious gaze instead.

"………"

—Ah, I see. Shidou finally realized it.

He knew that Origami had no authority to make left and right decisions for the AST.

But even so, the reason for him to specially take on the risk of leakage of information just so that he can talk to Origami about this matter—it is because he just had to do it.

Of course, the biggest reason was to save Yoshino, but that was not the only reason he had.

That was, he felt that he finally understood it by experiencing it directly.

"I—see, I………"

Once again, Shidou faced his eyes towards Origami.

"I……I think I want to do something about Yoshino— I want to save her, I also want you to accept Tohka too. However, on the same level as those wishes. I don't want you, Tobiichi—yes, I don't want you to kill all those...good people…!"

Er, that quote is something I should be using against you, not the other way around. He is there for Yoshino. He is begging with Origami on Yoshino's behalf. And his only wish is for her not to kill the people he is there to defend. It's still for the spirits sake not hers.

Originally Posted by kagato3

first it has never been hinted that Kurumi became psycho from her deaths in fact it seems she is useing her deaths to drive Mana psycho. the AST had nothing to do with the Twins that was DEM. And I don't see how any of this refutes what I said She has an irrational hatred born from watching her home burn, having her parents murdered in front of her and then getting the hell beat out of her when she was 12 along with the added AST and DEM propaganda that Spirit = Evil. nor does it change she is not in command.

You said that every spirit they encountered acted hostile to them. None of them except Kurumi has. And from what has been spoiled from future volumes her whole motivation is based around preventing the other spirits from experiencing her pain.

Originally Posted by kagato3

Just because he hasn't had the need to doesn't mean he wouldn't and while it wasn't just for her he did so at the end of volume 4.

Ok, fine. He probably would. But he hasn't yet.

Originally Posted by kagato3

And yet thats what they do. They are Damage control pure and simple. They are like biteing ants painful and annoying enough that the Spirits go away. and its not like the ATS knows they are pulled there against their will since they don't talk to them. Origami only found out because Shidou told her.

Spoiler for volume 1:

"Good work."

There, wearing the same wiring suit as Origami, stood a woman in her mid-20s with her hand on her hip.

Captain Kusakabe Ryouko. The commanding officer of the AST that Origami belonged to.

"You did great driving off that Spirit by yourself. ...I gave a strict lecture to Tomonara and Kagaya. What were they thinking, retreating and leaving the Spirit to Origami alone."

"I didn't drive it away."

Origami replied, and Ryouko shrugged.

"Well, I've gotta report it like that to the top. If we don't show some results the budget's gonna drop."

"..."

"C'mon, don't make such a face. I'm praising you after all. In this situation where the ace's seat is still empty, you're making a great effort. Also, if you weren't there, the number of additional people who'd have died isn't just one or two."

Fuuuu, she exhaled her breath.

"But hey,"

Ryouko sharpened her gaze, grabbed Origami's head and turned it towards herself.

"You went a bit overboard. —Do you want to die so badly?"

"..."

With her sharp gaze still fixated on Origami, Ryouko continued.

"Do you really understand what kind of opponent you're fighting here? That's a monster for god's sake. A hurricane with intelligence. —Do you understand? Within your abilities, suppress the damage to the minimum, within your abilities, make it lost as early as possible. That is our job. Don't pointlessly expose yourself to danger."

"—That's wrong."

Origami replied while looking Ryouko straight in the eyes, and once again opened her lips slightly.

"To defeat the Spirits, that is the duty of the AST."

"..."

Ryouko frowned.

As the captain of the AST, she was supposed to have understood the name of the Anti Spirit Team much more so than Origami.

Because she understood, she stated.

—We can't manage to do any more than suppress the damage.

However, while acknowledging that, Origami repeated once again.

"—I will, defeat, the Spirits."

"..."

Ryouko let out a sigh, and removed her hands from Origami's head.

"...I wasn't planning on hearing what you personally think. Think what you want. —However, if it seems like you'll go against a command while on the battlefield, you'll be removed from the team."

Maybe it is because noone knows how that happened. Shidou made a big deal about it and Tohka had no clue. And the AST is under strict orders not to atack Touka because as far as the AST investagation has turned up she is not only human but one of the citizens that they have to protect. She also did ask Shidou about things, twice, once in Volume 2 and then in volume 5.

Spoiler for volume 2:

[Princess].

From that code-name, Origami twitched her eyebrows a little.

Not knowing the exact details of what she went through but the Spirit that held that code-name was now, the human girl— Yatogami Tohka, who was attending the same high school as Origami.

Of course, Origami having confirmed Tohka’s existence, had informed Ryouko about it.

But for some reason they couldn't detect a Spirit reading coming from her, thus the assault permission wasn't granted.

Asking for the impossible and then having her family register investigated, they were unable to find anything suspicious.

At the very least, at this time —although Origami was extremely dissatisfied— she was a Japanese citizen, an existence that was Origami's duty to protect.

My point was how nonsensical this part is. Her commander openly states "We have no way to actually win, we just fire till it leaves." Yet for some reason Tohka not only appeared without a space quake, but is apparently no longer a spirit. They should have investigated that. Again, this is a complaint about the series, not Origami, since it's just a plot hole plain and simple.

However, my biggest complaint about her can be summed up as this. Between her and any of the spirits, who would Shidou choose to protect? The spirit or Origami? He would always, always choose the spirit.

Here's how I see it.

Tohka

First Impression:The first two times he met Tohka, she almost killed him.

Reaction: Jumps headlong into the situation to save her.


Yoshino

First Impression: She almost killed him and endangered his relationship with Tohka, then went berserk over a toy rabbit

Reaction: Get skinned alive by hail storm to return rabbit

Kurumi

First Impression: Nice at first, then psycho crazy bitch who tries to kill everyone

Reaction: Jump in front of Kamehameha level blast to save her, without token immortality

Origami

First impression: She tried to save him from Tohka

Reaction: Ignore her to save the spirits

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

X you and kagato gotta stop this stuff shidou saves everyone he's a nice guy ha that's what happens

[Miraluka]

Stop it all of you guys. Each person has a different perception about things and people.

[endarion88]

Originally Posted by holybell84

They need to show everything 5 years later, and make sure Kotori's and Shidou's parents are off to another trip.


When they come back, they shall meet their grand child =D

we will see this in the game endings, i have high expectation from grown up kotori

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Stop it all of you guys. Each person has a different perception about things and people.

agreed lets just all agree that we love the series and let that be the end of it

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by XFire

He was forced to do that. Just like he is always forced to be around her. Has he ever voluntarily spent time with her?

He seems to enjoy having lunch with her at least enough that he is concerned when she doesn't in volume 3. voluntarily tried to patch things up in volume 5 ( she did take it a bit far when he said he wanted to go someplace with her alone and took him into the girls restroom). And nothing has shown he doesn't like spending time with her when she is not going comically overboard

Er, that quote is something I should be using against you, not the other way around. He is there for Yoshino. He is begging with Origami on Yoshino's behalf. And his only wish is for her not to kill the people he is there to defend. It's still for the spirits sake not hers.

You are ignoring that it flat out states He is also doing it for her. It is the exact same thing he says about Mana. I understand you don't like her and thats fine but you are trying to use a double standard.

You said that every spirit they encountered acted hostile to them. None of them except Kurumi has. And from what has been spoiled from future volumes her whole motivation is based around preventing the other spirits from experiencing her pain.

No i said nearly all of the Spirits the AST has delt with have been hostile. Least you forget Tohka was trying to kill Shidou during their first 2 encounters and she was a bit kill happy during the date. The very fact that Yoshino is an oddity in that she doesn't fight with the AST pretty much implies that.
Very little of Kurumi's motivation has been spoiled all we know for sure is her goal it to kill the first Spirit preventing the other Spirits from existing and that Phantom calles it surprisingly kind. Nothing spoiled has directly stated that she is trying to spare them pain.

Ok, fine. He probably would. But he hasn't yet.

He already has come close at the end of volume 4 he was talking her down for just as much of her sake as it was to save his sister. And it will likely happen.

My point was how nonsensical this part is. Her commander openly states "We have no way to actually win, we just fire till it leaves." Yet for some reason Tohka not only appeared without a space quake, but is apparently no longer a spirit. They should have investigated that. Again, this is a complaint about the series, not Origami, since it's just a plot hole plain and simple.

They did and what it turned up was that Tohka was a normal person with a complete background history so their hands are tied because the higher ups are blocking them. She does try to get info out of Shidou but he is evasive because his work is secret.

Spoiler for volume 2:

[Princess].

From that code-name, Origami twitched her eyebrows a little.

Not knowing the exact details of what she went through but the Spirit that held that code-name was now, the human girl— Yatogami Tohka, who was attending the same high school as Origami.

Of course, Origami having confirmed Tohka’s existence, had informed Ryouko about it.

But for some reason they couldn't detect a Spirit reading coming from her, thus the assault permission wasn't granted.

Asking for the impossible and then having her family register investigated, they were unable to find anything suspicious.

At the very least, at this time —although Origami was extremely dissatisfied— she was a Japanese citizen, an existence that was Origami's duty to protect.

However, my biggest complaint about her can be summed up as this. Between her and any of the spirits, who would Shidou choose to protect? The spirit or Origami? He would always, always choose the spirit.

Here's how I see it.

Tohka

First Impression:The first two times he met Tohka, she almost killed him.

Reaction: Jumps headlong into the situation to save her.


Yoshino

First Impression: She almost killed him and endangered his relationship with Tohka, then went berserk over a toy rabbit

Reaction: Get skinned alive by hail storm to return rabbit

Kurumi

First Impression: Nice at first, then psycho crazy bitch who tries to kill everyone

Reaction: Jump in front of Kamehameha level blast to save her, without token immortality

Origami

First impression: She tried to save him from Tohka

Reaction: Ignore her to save the spirits

He has not ignored her. He just has problems dealing with her because she either comes on way too strong of completely baffles him. And aside from her break down in volume 4, which he did help he through, she hasn't had known issues that she needed to be saved from unlike the Spirits.
PS he did also choose to save her by facing off unarmed against a rampaging force of nature who's powers were overloading and wanted to release them at Origami using an untested ability.

Spoiler for what I'm referring to:

I can't control [The Last SwordHalvanhelev] anymore...! We have to release it somewhere...!"

"Where is that somewhere!?"

"——"

Without saying anything, Tohka looked towards the ground.

Following her gaze, he noticed Origami lying there, seeming like she might die any moment.

"...! Tohka, you...! D-Don't shoot there!"

"T-Then what are you telling me to do! It's already reached the critical state!"

Even while saying this, the sword that Tohka held was shooting streams of black lightning into the surroundings. Like machine gun fire, the continuous barrage gouged out the earth.

[Riki]

Xfire i can still swallow the fact you hate origami, but Never i repeat NEVER say a character is useless in a novel. Any character put into a novel is important, that implies to the sub-characters. that is what makes the series itself.

[sapper]

Seriously this argument is way out if hand everybody has there view so lets just move on please although I do agree with @riki

[XFire]

Originally Posted by kagato3

*snip*

Ok, I give. I still hate her, but my fingers just tried to mount a revolt against my brain for all this typing.

However, after all that debate (which I did enjoy, thanks for that) I think I figured out my main problem with Origami.

It isn't her character, but the way Shidou reacts to it. She's a stalker, she has a backstory fairly similar to him (childhood home in flames), she is on the other side of the major conflict, etc, etc. And Shidou just ignores all of this for the most part. She has never been the main focus of an arc. The closest she had was Kotori's arc.

The author gave her a lot of good stuff to develop and then... didn't. If this changes, so will my opinion. Until them, she's still just "Cock Block Girl" to me.

[mike211]

After watching the last eps of DAL, I now have a rough idea of vol4, and it look like 2nd season would cover vol5-7.

Should I still wait for vol 4 and read something else or skip it and start reading vol5 ?

[Marly]

Cockblock or whatever, Origami does a good job bringing in the grimdark that this series desperately needs despite being completely incompetent.

[Mystic_Vegetto]

Originally Posted by mike211

After watching the last eps of DAL, I now have a rough idea of vol4, and it look like 2nd season would cover vol5-7.

Should I still wait for vol 4 and read something else or skip it and start reading vol5 ?

I would say read Volume 5 for the time being. I read it last week and thought it was good.

[RapidPotential]

Origami is the first real introduction of any sort of open antagonism toward the Spirits and this is exactly the angle that probably needs to be explored even further - despite the fact that none of them (the AST) can yet kill a Spirit who actually gets serious and unleashes their full powers. At least, this sort of seriousness can help the story develop in a slight more grim route, but I hope that if this happens, we will not lose the more light-hearted appeal of the series.

The events of Volume 7 has already hinted that there is more to the plot than it seems on the surface. I would say that the series has improved as it went on but hasn't explored much of its premise at this point; it's something I can enjoy nonetheless.

[sapper]

Originally Posted by mike211

After watching the last eps of DAL, I now have a rough idea of vol4, and it look like 2nd season would cover vol5-7.

Should I still wait for vol 4 and read something else or skip it and start reading vol5 ?

I'm still going to read v4 when it gets translated cause the anime might have skipped some vital parts but idk. V5 is good and an interesting development

[Shinji103]

Yeah unfortunately there were a number of things that season 1 simply didn't have the time allocation to cover, and there is in fact a very significant part of volume 4 that they just couldn't fit in to the 23 minutes of episode 12. (I bet they'll put it in the volume 4 DVD/BD though) With the stuff they had to leave out it's not a pacing issue really; they just couldn't fit everything into those twelve 23 minutes episodes. So you should read volume 4 whenever Baka Tsuki finished it.

[Nvis]

What's up with S2's pic with Shido holding Tohka's sword and having yellowish Spirit eyes?? Is he really a spirit?

I don't remember seeing that in the near-exact pic in the novel, the one with Miku behind him.