(L) Magi - Labyrinth of Magic [manga]

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Redhazard

It depends on how you see it.

On one hand, he is not ignoring the desires of others in favor of fulfilling Solomon's ideals. By the end, Sheba was basically blind to everything that wasn't Solomon's ideal world and that kind of bites her in the ass.

On the other hand, he has made his fair share of shady decisions the past 2 chapters. The fate of the Djinn and Aladdin are pretty depressing when you think about it.

Forcing everyone into human form is similarly odd.

I guess, he is "better" in a sense, but he is still tainted by Solomon.

Arba wants to kill everyone. How can Ugo not be better than her?

His intentions, at least, are good. His methods are debatable, but he is doing his best.

Forcing everyone into human forms - if that's his fault rather than Solomon's anyway - is logical, for him. Alma Toran's history is one of conflict among species. Solomon's human vs human revolution is an abnormality, and even there Ugo could see the different species being at each other's throats. He must have thought that if one removed that difference, conflict would disappear. It didn't occur to him they'd just find other reasons to make war on each other.

[Bogart]

The world already has it's kings. It might be within the power of Aladdin and the Djinn to take the world for himself, but that would make him a villain, don't you think? Especially after how badly his father screwed up the last world.

Originally Posted by dazo

he have some issues with god " dragon scene" , but apart of that he act as he said.

Incorrect. Solomon when discussing "equality" never once mentioned erasing discrepancies in personal power and ability. When he spoke with others, he pointed to the "heart' as being what connected people and made them equal.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Arba wants to kill everyone. How can Ugo not be better than her?

I mentioned it before. Solomon is inside of everyone. It's a necessary to kill everyone to get rid of Solomon. There is no other way. The only other option would be accept Solomon as the new god forever.

[Anh_Minh]

Wanting to kill Solomon doesn't excuse wanting to kill everyone.

[Bogart]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Wanting to kill Solomon doesn't excuse wanting to kill everyone.

Letting Solomon win would have been just as bad.

[Redhazard]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Arba wants to kill everyone. How can Ugo not be better than her?

His intentions, at least, are good. His methods are debatable, but he is doing his best.

Forcing everyone into human forms - if that's his fault rather than Solomon's anyway - is logical, for him. Alma Toran's history is one of conflict among species. Solomon's human vs human revolution is an abnormality, and even there Ugo could see the different species being at each other's throats. He must have thought that if one removed that difference, conflict would disappear. It didn't occur to him they'd just find other reasons to make war on each other.

I wasn't including her in the analysis. I thought it kind of went without saying.

Edit: Oh, now I get it. I somehow read the original post as Sheba instead of Arba.

My bad there.

[dazo]

The world already has it's kings. It might be within the power of Aladdin and the Djinn to take the world for himself, but that would make him a villain, don't you think? Especially after how badly his father screwed up the last world.

but aladdin is the true king, his destiny was sealed when hugo make him the "savior"...that was the point behind this chapter

the actuals kings/kings candidates don't matter, they will die someday...

maybe alladdin want to "correct" the world, "fix" what his father broke...and what is gonna happen if the true king is a member of al-thamen..or the kou empire...
he is gonna accept a kou family member/al-thamen as the true king?

what if allibaba don't "obtain" the king title? or he is going to force everything to make alibaba a king?

Incorrect. Solomon when discussing "equality" never once mentioned erasing discrepancies in personal power and ability. When he spoke with others, he pointed to the "heart' as being what connected people and made them equal.

equality is equality, any personal "view" is not equality.
but to truly obtain equality, you need to "fix" the world, resource, limits. laws..and not the bs solomon did

Originally Posted by Bogart

I mentioned it before. Solomon is inside of everyone. It's a necessary to kill everyone to get rid of Solomon. There is no other way. The only other option would be accept Solomon as the new god forever.

Originally Posted by Bogart

Letting Solomon win would have been just as bad.

please, you are talking about mass-murder/genocide..as a human being i don't want to accept that answer.(even if this is fiction...even as a person with atypical empathic response.... )
i can understand genocide.....but i cant accept it as a option

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Bogart

Letting Solomon win would have been just as bad.

Only if you're completely deranged.

If one can live with a god, then Solomon or Il Illah makes no difference. If one can't, then look for a way to break free from destiny altogether. Heck, Solomon would probably want that if that was an option.

"Killing everyone" shouldn't be on the table as an option.

[Bogart]

Originally Posted by dazo

but aladdin is the true king, his destiny was sealed when hugo make him the "savior"...that was the point behind this chapter

the actuals kings/kings candidates don't matter, they will die someday...

maybe alladdin want to "correct" the world, "fix" what his father broke...and what is gonna happen if the true king is a member of al-thamen..or the kou empire...
he is gonna accept a kou family member/al-thamen as the true king?

what if allibaba don't "obtain" the king title? or he is going to force everything to make alibaba a king?

Aladdin doesn't have the right. If he tried to take it, he'd be the villain.

equality is equality, any personal "view" is not equality.
but to truly obtain equality, you need to "fix" the world, resource, limits. laws..and not the bs solomon did

As long as differences exist, equality is impossible. As long as people are unable to stand in the exact same place and time as one another, it can't be done. And it's impossible for two objects to inhabit the same space.

please, you are talking about mass-murder/genocide..as a human being i don't want to accept that answer.(even if this is fiction...even as a person with atypical empathic response.... )
i can understand genocide.....but i cant accept it as a option

Solomon killed god and condemned everyone that had ever died to hell. Besides which, it's not like the people were "innocent". They were living extensions of Solomon's will. It's like fighting an enemy that has multiple bodies. If your enemy is every living thing on a planet, the course is clear.

[Kazu-kun]

I don't agree that everyone should die just to get rid of Solomon's will. There's must be other options, even if we don't know them yet. Aladdin himself isn't too keen in following Solomon's will either (he already disobeyed it by telling everyone about Alma Toran), but he wants peace above all else.

I do agree that Aladdin won't be king. Ideally, there shouldn't be a "one king" anyway. It solves nothing in the end.

[dazo]

Aladdin doesn't have the right. If he tried to take it, he'd be the villain.

he have the right as the true savior behind the new world...

if we use your example with al-thamen good ways

he cant be the villain, because like you said he is fighting against a bunch of fakes kings, that usurper his title, he can slaughter all the world because the occupant are following a fake king.
the people that raise against him aren't innocent because they are defending a fake king, the people that live in these countries are sinful beings that follow a fake

As long as differences exist, equality is impossible. As long as people are unable to stand in the exact same place and time as one another, it can't be done. And it's impossible for two objects to inhabit the same space.

that is the reason behind laws.
we cant obtain fully equality, but we can coexist with equality.
if you don't seek equality ..then what you seek..a world of chaos is a nonsense, kill a person and take his possession and the next day you are killed and everything you own is taking away.

Solomon killed god and condemned everyone that had ever died to hell. Besides which, it's not like the people were "innocent". They were living extensions of Solomon's will. It's like fighting an enemy that has multiple bodies. If your enemy is every living thing on a planet, the course is clear.

this is a nonsense, because the magicians and magi are also part of salomon will , so they better kill themself first.

you are comparing child, babies, elders with a monster with multiply heads?

you can live without solomon will if you want, but killing because you cant accept another existences is..

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. Ideally, there shouldn't be a "one king." It solves nothing really.

this

[hawkeyesvn]

We need a democracy revolution! Where is this world counterpart of US ?

[dazo]

Originally Posted by hawkeyesvn

We need a democracy revolution! Where is this world counterpart of US ?

this...
we really need democracy here....but real democracy with real a real core.....and not the bs that exist in some places

...so..this is a world without murica..

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by hawkeyesvn

We need a democracy revolution! Where is this world counterpart of US ?

I think Reim has the best chance to become one. Their real life counterpart is ancient Rome after all. If they continue to follow Scheherazade's teaching of developing technology, one day their tech will replace magic and the world will have no need for neither kings or magis.

About the solution of how to win against Solomon without committing genocide, I think the most simple way is to make everyone hate him and fate itself, dye every rukh in black. Without white rukh, they don't have to worry about being control by Solomon anymore.

[Starshipw]

Originally Posted by hawkeyesvn

We need a democracy revolution! Where is this world counterpart of US ?

Be careful what you wish for. (See the English Revolution and the French Revolution.) To install a working democracy without mass executions of the losing side requires that all sides agree to live under the rule of law and not the dictates of one man and to guarantee the rights of minorities (political, ethnic and religious). Very few leaders appear prepared to take such steps. Sinbad, assuredly. Reim, possibly. Who else?

[hawkeyesvn]

I think if Sin and Reim's leaders try really hard, they may actually made it. As far as we know, there's actually some countries work fine as republic ( according to Alibaba from Balbad arc ). What we need to do is getting rid of all magic. Without it, manipulating black rukh will be much harder.

[dazo]

@Fwarlord
I think Reim has the best chance to become one. Their real life counterpart is ancient Rome after all.

rome cant be consider a fully democracy "goberment"(republic) but they have (use) some concept.

i doubt if reim can become a democratic country, their lifestyle is based in rome after all.

@Starshipw
(See the English Revolution and the French Revolution.) To install a working democracy without mass executions of the losing side requires that all sides agree to live under the rule of law and not the dictates of one man and to guarantee the rights of minorities (political, ethnic and religious).

first, under a one man rule..the enemies/minorities are gonna die.....(and how can a person accept something like "divine right")

if, the new constitutions accept the protection and safe trial of the enemies/minorities ...and put away the religious "concept".

then this democracy is something that need to be reached at all cost.

....and, after that, the senate/parliament/add here a name, need to rise the educational level, protect the ambient, and open the markets ..to make this country something stable

@hawkeyesvn
What we need to do is getting rid of all magic.

this, why there is still magic in first place(f*ck you hugo)...magic break the common sense(add here a lot of problems) and create a lot of shi*

[bastek66]

FLASHBACK ARC FINALLY ENDED. New chapter is back in present.

[ChampDream]

Originally Posted by bastek66

FLASHBACK ARC FINALLY ENDED. New chapter is back in present.

that good news

[Bogart]

Spoiler for raw spoiler:

Alibaba is Aladdin's stepping stool.

[dazo]

what....need synopsis
......please