2011-06-26, 00:36 | Link #1061 | |
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With the whole "money becomes worthless when you have all of it" idea..I'm not sure exactly at what point that would happen. There are many banana republics on this planet but people with all the money still have what all the poor people want. So as long as there is confidence in the money rich people don't have to worry about whether their money will be accepted or not. And even if money were to fall into one person's hand with the rest of the population having virtually none, the one rich person would simply convert his money to assets.
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2011-06-26, 01:06 | Link #1062 | ||
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Life doesn't always work that way. And especially in the financial sector, where there's lots of speculation, and where the banana no longer matters, a "deal" is really a cover up for a fight of some sort. I do think that's what they intended to address, but by having an everyday economy student as the protagonist they sort of muddied the water. Theme demands and characterisation demands were at odds, I feel. It seemed to me, they tried to erect a plot of financial speculation on a foundation of day-to-day budgeting, and it just didn't work to me. Quote:
Again, I do think the show has a point if they're saying that financial speculation is akin to fighting, and that it's in danger of robbing money of its purpose. But I don't see that coming across very well. If that's not the meaning of their metaphor, I can't see any other, and I'd be tempted to assume they just rolled with a popular anime cliché. Much like Fractale last season, I think this show wasted its potential. |
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2011-06-26, 02:10 | Link #1063 | |||
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And are you saying you split the banana evenly between yourself and the other monkey? I mean, being bigger and all, you could just probably beat up the other monkey. I believe that's how nature works: To the victor go the spoils. Perhaps you're suggesting beating up the other monkey would take more effort and cause more trouble than sharing the banana and living in peace. Even so, I think your example is very much akin to an elementary school bully taking a smaller child's lunch money. The bully takes the money not necessarily because he requires the money (although impoverishment often leads to such personalities) but rather because he wishes to impose his own dominance. Yet in the economic realm, entrepreneurs are simply there to make as much money as possible. So if the bigger monkey can eliminate a competitor with brute force and take all of his assets... it's going to happen. In the past, monopolies were probably enforced by physical means. And in some countries, I think brute force marketing is still how it works today. I know in America it's pretty hard to eliminate opposing companies by killing their employees... or is it? While the people chosen by Masakaki are random selections, many of them go on to be prominent figures in the real world's economy. Mikuni, Sennoza, that old pharmaceutical dude are some examples. When these affluent investors make a deal, it's almost as if two business CEOs were settling market conflict with an honorable duel. Somewhat of an homage back to the shooting duels of the Wild Wild West, or samurai dueling under the Bushido code. As most people fight to completely take over the opponent, the loser usually ends up bankrupt and the victor takes all of his financial value for himself. However, Mikuni tries keeping everyone afloat in normal society by keeping the deal as even as possible. I liked Mikuni, if only because he was a rich person trying to take responsibility for his own excessive wealth. Inequalities in wealth may be inevitable, but the people holding the money should be thinking about how their existence impacts the millions of others who are far less fortunate. And I actually believe Mikuni's philosophy is very admirable; his actions seem to have keep Japan quite stable and prosperous. The problem noted by everyone else is when Mikuni is faced with the impending doom of [C]: He panics, and starts printing out absurd amounts of money. There's no way uberinflation will save Japan. You may as well be saving today's people, in exchange for having the apocalypse happen tomorrow. Kimimaro's role, then, was to take responsibility; he sees Mikuni going out of control and stops him. Doesn't mean Mikuni was on the wrong path leading up to episode 11, but he was certainly wrong in episode 11. I digressed... and made a big mess. Still the above monkey example seems very off to me. Quote:
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I wouldn't take the deals too seriously, given the Midas Money is printed by some higher power anyway. The entrepreneurs are essentially fighting each other for black pieces of paper coming out of Cthulhu's rotary press. The Financial District has a different economy with different rules, so the meaning of money in the real world is probably also different from money in the Financial District. There you can get the most money because your asset fires out the biggest laser. So no, I wouldn't assume the writers are imposing any beliefs on real financial speculation. To conclude, I liked [C] for some the same reasons I liked Moshidora. Yes, the baseball manager anime, which you may or may not have seen. Similar to Minami, entrepreneurs have the role of not just making loads of cash but also to impact social change. The majority of each episode deals with how hyperaffluent people should use their money in relation to those at the bottom - the deals are more of a sideshow attraction. Take [C] as one of those anime which isn't too serious about real economics, and you might enjoy some of what you see. But if you're too busy pointing out all the theoretical travesties, maybe it's best to loosen up a bit. Give anime the benefit of your doubt. |
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2011-06-26, 05:45 | Link #1066 |
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I don't think Kimimaro exists really in the end.
When he turned the Rotary press in reverse, it didn't buy back the future, exactly... It printed new futures, essentially. That's why there was a different family at Hanabi's house. Just like you can always print new money, but you can't replace a bill that's been lost. That serial number is gone forever. Kimimaro doesn't exist in the future he created/bought for everyone. It's likely he's dead or essentially disconnected from the timeline... A walking ghost. Basically, anything that had anything to do with the Far East FD and Midas Money was replaced with a new future. That includes the yen, and all parts of the entre's lives that had to deal with the FD. That's why Takedazaki ends up disappearing (he was too connected to the FD), and Sato seems to have a new life... (she wasn't as deeply connected). Kimimaro can't be an Entre again, even if he wanted to. He doesn't have any future OR present anymore. All he has is his memories of the past (that picture).
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2011-06-26, 07:33 | Link #1067 | ||
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I didn't think that Takedazaki disappeared (I personally believed that his future changed) but that is possible as you suggested. It is hard to believe though since he is such a resourceful person in the anime - he pretty much brought down a nation to its knees. You'd think that he'd be able to continue making a living at least selling crepes to the likes of Jennifer.
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2011-06-26, 16:26 | Link #1068 |
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What’s all this talk about “saving the present or the future ?”, and does it mean anything in real life ? It does, and it is the biggest economic issue of this decade.
Wrote a few words on [C] and recent economic issues. Thought some of you might be interested. Feedback & questions welcome, especially about my writing (I write like shit.) Last edited by macroflation; 2011-06-26 at 17:51. |
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I am confident someone else besides me out there enjoyed [C] for immersing the viewer in a science fiction world, but as often the case with science fiction, experts will criticize every reference to any academic field of study. However, your problem seems to be the show sucks in general. Not much I can say there. Quote:
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2011-06-26, 19:54 | Link #1073 |
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Well, Moshidora is about management, and [C] is about... well, I have no idea what the series is about. Moshidora is better because it is stricly focused on the management wisdom show whereas [C] is littered with Pokemon/romance/random econ jargon.
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2011-06-26, 23:30 | Link #1074 |
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My final feeling was.... "annoyed and aggravated" (sigh).
@ipodi: yeah, I have to say Moshidora scored more in my book as far as management theory and Spice&Wolf communicated economics, deal-making, and trade better. I'm pretty much left here with the two main characters being interesting but stuck in a bit of a mess of a story.
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2011-06-27, 06:22 | Link #1078 | |
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I got to the point of thinking 'how the hell this doesn't got a manga/light novel?', they skipped many fights that were really interesting. Other thing that I haven't see too often on anime is the english speaking, which this one got (America's Makaki was 100 times better than Japan's ). Definitely a really original plot and pretty well developed, without any useless filler and straight to the point. Also I was specting a Angel Beats! ending style, with Kimimaro and Mashu meeting each other again at the new reality, and for a moment the show fooled me near to the end, but I guess she it is going to be his daughter after all. Masakaki coming at the end makes me think if there is gonna be a second season (doubtfull, since they closed almost every part of the story), anyone knows anything about it?
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2011-06-27, 11:20 | Link #1080 |
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^ but she looked like hanabi with that mole in her eyes...could that be hanabi not only recognizing kimimaro or is she a different person?
hope she's a different person and is actually masyu in real world... oh well...somehow not really a satisfying ending... |
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