2013-09-06, 03:51 | Link #122 |
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I'm sorry, maybe you'll think I'm weird for this, but I'm not arguing probabilities when this is about a narrative. He either is alive or he isn't, and we won't know whether he is or not until he appears (or the story is over without him appearing), I cannot put a percentage on that.
To humor your question however, it's not obvious unless it's 100%. I've had the same stance during the whole "Tobito" fiasco, and I still do. |
2013-09-06, 04:02 | Link #123 | |
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In fact practically nothing is for certain in life and in One Piece. How do you know you're not dreaming that you actually exist? There is a chapter in the Zhuangzi which relates the story of how Zhuangi dreamed he was a butterfly, and he wondered whether he was actually a butterfly that was dreaming he was human or a human dreaming he was a butterfly. How do you know that Whitebeard has died? What if the Whitebeard in the manga was actually Gol D Roger masquerading as Whitebeard? Isn't that technically possible? We can only talk in probabilities because nothing is certain in life.
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2013-09-06, 04:04 | Link #124 |
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I find it interesting that you suddenly dediced that I am against speculation. I never said any such thing.
Not only that, but in your attempt to glorify speculation, you just proved that there is no 100% certainty, thereby contradicting your earlier statement that it was certain. |
2013-09-06, 05:22 | Link #126 | |
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Great now we are arguing about semantics.
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I never said that Sabo being alive was a fact. I think it will become a fact some time in the future and I think it is quite obvious from the way that Oda has been portraying him and the situation.
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2013-09-06, 06:55 | Link #129 |
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Chapter 720
Not a bad chapter. Kinda hope Cavendish gets the Mera Mera No Mi. But I see Cavendish winning D Block but Luffy winning the fruit and giving it to Rebecca. If we have to get a new member in this arch I hope its Cavendish(Very Unlikely). Kinda curious about Rebecca's past but her little stunt with Luffy was sad. Hopefully she does not receive the fruit. Luffy saving the fruit for later archs would be better idea or give it to Zoro. |
2013-09-06, 07:16 | Link #130 | |
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Some things are so obvious that everybody knows it will happen because the Story demands them to happen because of the type of story and the flow of the story. You see nobody arguing that Luffy will not become Pirate King and that Blackbeard is going to kill Luffy. Everybody who tries to argue that will be called out. The same goes for Sabo being alive. Sabo is alive because he is. There is really no doubt about it even though we haven’t seen him yet, the same as Luffy becoming Pirate King even though we haven’t seen him become one yet. The author has made it simple very obvious. Dragon coming back from watching the arrival of the World Noble with someone injured, the three sake cups at the grave of Ace(nobody expect the three brothers knew about it), Odas refusal to show Sabos face in the three brothers cover, his refusal to say that Sabo is dead. Your only counter argument is that Oda might be a troll and that we haven’t seen him yet. You could argue the same way about Luffy becoming Pirate King but nobody really will. |
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2013-09-06, 07:24 | Link #131 |
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Bartolomeo attacked the gladiator that was making fun of Luffy. He also saw Cavendish attack Luffy. There's a possibility that Bartolomeo might end up attacking Cavendish and send him straight to the dumpster before the block D tournament starts. Just like what he did to that Vice Admiral.
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2013-09-06, 07:47 | Link #132 | |
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2013-09-06, 08:33 | Link #133 | |
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2013-09-06, 09:44 | Link #134 |
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I can't believe I actually made this but that's what happens at 5am...
So no...age wise it does not match. At the time Kaido and Moria had their rivalry Sabo was still living with his parents, Sabo met Ace and Luffy AFTER Moria lost his crew and then "died" AFTER Moria met Hogback and started making his zombie army. With all due respect Whitemoon, you said I wasn't reading what you wrote but you just refuse to accept the math, numbers don't lie. What you are saying is illogical not only when referring to the timeline but also in terms of the power levels. I believe it was you that talked about how "Theorists" are ridiculed by others...but some Theorists also have the bad habit of refusing to see what is in front of them and deny facts as it suits their theories. If you guys want respect and not be ridiculed, you could start with actually acknowledging counter arguments instead ignoring them, just saying "You're not reading what I'm writing" or repeating the same statement that has argued against as if it's absolute truth. There are actually people that like reading theories but also like to check the validity, not with the intent of ridiculing them but in order to see just how valid and possible they really are. I'm not saying every theory is wrong nor am I saying that every theory with flaws is impossible. I'm also not saying that every theorist is the "La La La I can't hear you" type either...I'm just calling them like I see them. ...this is starting to sound like a Religion vs Science discussion >_> |
2013-09-06, 09:55 | Link #135 | ||
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Also Sabo didn't have to beat kaido directly. i already talked about how Gold D roger defeated Shiki or why Buggy hold a grudge against buggy. He could have achieved the feat in similar ways. ----------------------- On another note, more directly storywise related, who else now think that Barto might actually end up fighting against the strawhats first before joining them ? He would definitely be a great addition to straw-hats haha. |
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2013-09-06, 13:55 | Link #138 | ||
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I never said you did. I said your choice of words is very factual. Especially the "you can either agree with me or be wrong" attitude.
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Dear lord what is it with you people being so damn adamant about this? This you-can-either-agree-with-me-or-be-wrong attitude is starting to get on my nerves. Take Whitemoon's example for sanity's sake, don't disrespect my view on the matter, and move the fudge on. |
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2013-09-06, 14:04 | Link #139 |
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Just so you know, foreshadowing is a thing.
With all the hints Oda has lain out, he's made it about as obvious as he can without actually giving it away. Personally, any doubt I had about Sabo being alive ended when I saw the scene with the sake cups
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2013-09-06, 14:12 | Link #140 | |
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There isn't anything implying that Moria lost due to special circumstances or bad luck. It's clearly evident that you're just grasping at straws at this point. Your theory just doesn't hold up well, as I and others have already told you.
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