2008-06-11, 01:20 | Link #262 | |
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Though she doesn't have to be in direct competition with Sheryl, I can hardly imagine the series not following the Queen-bee scenario. She could produce her own sound, do her own thing, appeal to a different group of people using a different format, but that's probably not going to happen since she's a fictional character with the exact same audience as Sheryl; us and whomever that might be. |
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2008-06-11, 01:34 | Link #263 | ||
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I find it ironic that the stardom that she's been eagerly chasing after will ask her to sacrifice so many things in return. The positive attitude she invested in getting to her goal is bound to reap some negative effects. Somewhere along the line, I can't see Ranka succumbing to fame just for the sole purpose of "being heard." Ranka's naive. I don't think she's really gung-ho about being the center of attention to the point that she'll accept losing everyone around her---except her manager lol Quote:
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The only thing the preview talks about is that being a celebrity places more distance between herself and Alto. This in turn is a direct parallel to SDF Macross (although from the other direction). Quote:
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2008-06-11, 03:51 | Link #265 | ||
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One, Grace works for her. She's Sheryl's go-to-girl and while they have a nice thing going with eachother, it's not really a friendship. Close working relationship, most probably, but not a friendship. Two, Ranka and Sheryl are not friends. Sheryl does her mentor thing and tosses inspirational words while striking a head-held high pose, and Ranka takes it in and does her Idol-in-training thing where she says "Hai!" and straightens her posture. Privately or publicly, Sheryl hasn't interacted with Ranka that didn't have something to do with Ranka's career, with one exception, possibly two if that one concert wasn't entirely metaphorical. And three, Alto slaves for her, while she flirts with/teases him endlessly. They don't to do stuff together, he just follows her while she does whatever. She probably only confided in him because he was the only person she knew that didn't work for her in an official capacity and she needed an outlet. She's lonely, he's beautiful, and she knows him somewhat on a personal basis, which is more than can be said for the rest of the human race. Beggers can't be choosers right? And then there's everyone else, who she ignores, looks at cross-eyed, or attempts to run them down in her limo. Though you're probably right. Sheryl's the way she is because she's Sheryl, and not because of her celebrity status. Ranka has many people that care about her personally. This is because she's a friendly, likeable, unthreatening person, and people take to her naturally. It's what she's used to. She's Ranka-chan through and through, and even stardom isn't going to change that, although it will probably alter how people in general treat her just like it did for Sheryl. Quote:
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2008-06-11, 06:04 | Link #266 | |
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OK. I agree loneliness may eat on Sheryl, but, well, you can see which part of your post I have quoted here and I don't totally buy this. First of all, I think happiness and loniess are subjective feelings. People are happy or lonely only if they feel so, not they are in a situation others think they should. Do you agree with this? If you do, please read the rest; if you don't, please ignore the rest. Who care about Ranka personally? Ozma, Nanase, and we may also count Alto and Sheryl in. If you think of Mikhail, go back to check ep 5 to see he takes a troubled Ranka as a pain in the @ss; If you think of Luca, go back to check ep 4 to see he takes Ranka as an excuse to get close to Nanase. Your friendly, likeable, unthreatening Ranka gets four persons taking to her naturally, what a deed! Kidding aside, perhaps Ranka gets more friends off-screen but the problem is that Ranka doesn't feel like many poeple care about her. Once she decides Ozma is not on her side, she looks for Alto, not Mikhail nor Luca nor her #1 super big fan Nanase nor any of her off-screen friend but that Alto she barely knows (if you disagree, go to check ep 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10). From outsiders' point of view, yes, Ranka gets many people caring her; from Ranka's point of view, she only gets Alto. Ranka feels that she has as many as only one cares her and the only one is Alto, whom Ranka feels she is losing to Sheryl.
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2008-06-11, 08:51 | Link #267 | |
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I can't recall a single time Ranka claimed no one cared about her, or held it against someone when she didn't recieve their undivided attention. Though I do wonder why Alto's at all important to either her or Sheryl. Is it just his looks? If he were ugly, the multiple near life and death situations they've shared probably wouldn't have meant all that much, and Alto isn't exactly charming or a great speaker. Evidently all of his charisma is reserved for the stage. |
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2008-06-11, 09:02 | Link #268 |
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Why's Alto important to them?
For Ranka: he's pretty. More than her, or so she thinks. Her self-esteem is relatively low, so she was shocked and grateful someone so pretty was willing to help her find her way, and later save her life. Sure, he's gruff, but she knows him enough by now that under that, he's actually very nice. For Sheryl: He doesn't treat her as superstar. While that kind of attention is gratifying, it also puts a distance between her and other people. She's got enough of it from other sources. He also doesn't lust after her like most boys his age would, so he's even more comfortable to be with. |
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I'd like to point out that loneliness really isn't a matter of how many people one is close to - it's more a factor of how a lack of closeness makes one feel.
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2008-06-11, 10:08 | Link #271 |
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Ranka is my favorite character in this show. She is so sweet, cute and I adore her voice. Plus I feel for her about her past and the way she only can watch as Alto is getting closer and closer to Sheryl.
I aslo find her more "human" than Sheryl, I mean more real. I really like Sheryl but she is just too awesome, even in her weakness. I find her "changeable" and I can't grasp her character at all, that annoy me. I don't really care if she end up with Alto hime, I just want to see her happy . (Beside Alto is a jerk, sometimes I have the urge to slap him ) |
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I wonder if the recommendations that Ranka give up her career have to do with an innate distrust of commercialism?
We've seen the idea of music as a "business" explored somewhat already. So how Ranka deals with and adapts to her newly discovered stardom could be used to explore this theme further. In this regard, you could make a distinction between singing for personal satisfaction and singing to be heard by an audience. Both approaches involve singing, but the latter incorporates all the commercial elements involved in the music industry: photoshoots, advertisments, and so on. Now it's not particularily difficult to present any sort of materialistic pursuit in a negative light, especially in a story setting. So I suspect that the suggestion of Ranka giving up her career tries to follow in those lines (i.e ye olde 'it's better to be poor and happy than be rich and alone'). But I don't think that this is necessarily the stance that the series is taking. While the characters are surrounded by advertising, they seem to be quite resistant to it. Vending machines get rebuffed in attempting to sell their wares, singing carrots are no more appealing to children than silent ones, and even Sheryl's campaign to save her homeland comes across as campy at best. Advertising doesn't seem to be nearly the insidious subliminal force that it ought to be. From what I've seen, the idea in this respect seems to be that the commercial elements of music can still be overcome by a genuine passion for singing and belief in yourself. Where Leon shows how the media can be used to restrict and limit people's awareness of the truth, Sheryl shows how the media can be used to draw people's aware to the needs of the people suffering around them. In that sense, Ranka's journey is not so much to emulate Sheryl as it is to find her own individuality in the face of "the system". From that standpoint, fame becomes a platform from which you can make a positive impact on everyone's lives. Quote:
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Well in order to not be completely off topic, I want the same phone as Ranka, this thing is multitask ! Phone, pillow, anti stress and...others things . |
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It's not that Michael doesn't listen, either. He may have a habit of saying stupid things at times, but he still goes out of his way to watch out for Ranka and hear her out, even if she doesn't recognize it. |
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It's a big problem on Ranka's side. But I guess it would be equally difficult for some Ranka fans to admit Ranka has herself trapped due to her own silliness as for them to quit harsh critics on Alto and Sheryl.
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2008-06-11, 22:16 | Link #278 |
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I just love the way her hair moves when she's emotional. Like a puppy's ears... That quarter zentraldi blood sure is useful.
I think she has a huge secret and it's the key to the whole show. Perhaps, what draws the Vajras to Macross Frontier is her or at least her music. It seemed that they were even looking for her during the initial attacks. She'll be the key to the whole "war" and there will be another cute teen boy who's the head of the Vajras and she'll be torn between him and Hime-sama... and her decisions will decide the future of the fleet or even Humanity. Or something like that. I love her voice actress and thus her singing voice. It's hard been a teen idol... her attempt at "publicity" feel just like those cosplay idols on the sidewalks of Akiba trying to get the attention of the otaku... Poor Ranka-chan. |
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