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Old 2009-11-28, 16:21   Link #1981
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Possibly, though that presents the problem of having to charge up the Condenser instead.
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Old 2009-11-28, 16:23   Link #1982
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Awesome development chart

They added Nearly even gundam that runs on a GN Drive. This would probably stop ppl from posting the Qan[T] running on a tau drive

Judging by this chart its entire line has never used moe than one drive, actually why would one think it would have two????
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Old 2009-11-28, 16:41   Link #1983
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Awesome development chart

They added Nearly even gundam that runs on a GN Drive. This would probably stop ppl from posting the Qan[T] running on a tau drive

Judging by this chart its entire line has never used moe than one drive, actually why would one think it would have two????
Uh... how closely did you examine that chart? Because it lists the 00, 007S, and 00-Raiser, all of which use two GN-Drives. And since the 00 Qan[T] is on descended from the 00 Raiser, it'd have two GN-Drives.
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Old 2009-11-28, 17:49   Link #1984
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O crap, didn't put the two pictures together
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Old 2009-11-28, 20:24   Link #1985
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I find it funny that the Raphael Gundam has nothing to do with the other CB-XXX mobile suits.
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Old 2009-11-28, 20:49   Link #1986
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I find it funny that the Raphael Gundam has nothing to do with the other CB-XXX mobile suits.
The only thing I suspect they would have in common, is that they were made in the Celestial Being.
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Old 2009-11-28, 21:51   Link #1987
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That's a lot of nice information there. 00 Qan[T] as upgraded model of 00 Rasier

Harute is upgraded model of Archer Arios using the weapon technology from XN Raiser....Hmm, manipulator arms? Or maybe more melee weapons?

Raphael is very interesting here. It has no connection with Virtue/Seravee except using the same style. It is the upgraded model of GRM/Gadessa line...
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Old 2009-11-28, 22:55   Link #1988
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Just some quick translation for the Legend

Colour line

- The base = 0 Gundam


- Successor = GN-XII -> GN-XIII GN-X Superbia -> GN-XIV


- Armament technology (which means that it used the weapon tech of the other) Virtue GN-Bazooka -> GN-Cannon GN-XII Buster Sword -> 00 7S


- The machine being diversified for specific field = Astrea -> Exia


- Improvement = Astrea -> Astrea Type F -> Astrea Type F Kai


- Upgraded/develop into (Being used for development into) Kyrios-> Arios


- Green Line (two type) Additional equipment - GN Heavy Weapons series
Additional equipment concept - Arios Ascalon


- Combination = Arios + GN Archer Exia+ GN Arms


- The Data use for development = 1 Gundam ->Alvatoree Plutone -> GRM Rasiel-> 00


- Others = 0 Gundam -> ACD using particel tank -> FA 0 Gundam Equipment Enhancing Concept
Plutone -> Artemi Experimental Successor
Virtue -> Raphael same as LZ said
Nadleeh -> Virtue Heavy camouflage armor
GN-Cannon -> GN XII Sensor technology
Seraphim -> SEM Unmanned mass production machine
hell with this too many of them




Colour Frame:

- Blue frame = CB

- Yellow frame = Innovator

- Red frame = UN EF
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Old 2009-11-28, 23:25   Link #1989
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Now this is truly great. An official GN Drive based MS family tree with 0 Gundam as the based of it all

I find 00 rather interesting It used 0 Gundam as it base + data from Rasiel + following Exia line which means it's successor



Edit: strange I couldn't find Ahead, Masurao,Susanowo and Ekisubo (deinitely want to see their development chart)
Hmmmm family chart part2?? for the next PG
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Old 2009-11-28, 23:31   Link #1990
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Yeah, I don't see it either. Hell, even the Ekisubo only has one GN-Drive.
Of course it does, the Eki can't be used for much except for hit and run attacks I assume.
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Old 2009-11-28, 23:39   Link #1991
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Just some quick translation for the Legend

Colour line

- The base = 0 Gundam

Colour Frame:

- Blue frame = CB

- Yellow frame = Innovator

- Red frame = UN EF
now that is one heck of a family tree, execpt the family members tried to kill each other
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Old 2009-11-29, 00:31   Link #1992
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Of course it does, the Eki can't be used for much except for hit and run attacks I assume.
Why would the ESF deploy hit-and-run MS when they clearly have numerical superiority over any military organisation in that time of the world?

Instead, why not deploy the Ekisubo, similar to the Flag, as an aerial combat MS, with high mobility, complementing the possibly heavy armoured GN-X IV?
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Old 2009-11-29, 00:35   Link #1993
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I just don't see the ESF putting two GN Drives on one little grunt suit, but that's me. We'll just have to wait longer.
If the ESF learnt their lessons from the defeat of A-Laws by Celestial Being, they probably won't try to deploy too many grunt units in battle again. Why not put two GN Drives in a highly specialised MS with the purpose of winning the battle and sustaining as little damage as possible?

I know GN Drives are expensive to mass produce, but still, in ESF, which is a worldwide organisation, I bet they have enough funds to last to build those Tau Drives. (Economy of scale?)
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Old 2009-11-29, 00:40   Link #1994
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Just some quick translation for the Legend

Colour line

- The base = 0 Gundam


- Successor = GN-XII -> GN-XIII GN-X Superbia -> GN-XIV


- Armament technology (which means that it used the weapon tech of the other) Virtue GN-Bazooka -> GN-Cannon GN-XII Buster Sword -> 00 7S


- The machine being diversified for specific field = Astrea -> Exia


- Improvement = Astrea -> Astrea Type F -> Astrea Type F Kai


- Upgraded/develop into (Being used for development into) Kyrios-> Arios


- Green Line (two type) Additional equipment - GN Heavy Weapons series
Additional equipment concept - Arios Ascalon


- Combination = Arios + GN Archer Exia+ GN Arms


- The Data use for development = 1 Gundam ->Alvatoree Plutone -> GRM Rasiel-> 00


- Others = 0 Gundam -> ACD using particel tank -> FA 0 Gundam Equipment Enhancing Concept
Plutone -> Artemi Experimental Successor
Virtue -> Raphael same as LZ said
Nadleeh -> Virtue Heavy camouflage armor
GN-Cannon -> GN XII Sensor technology
Seraphim -> SEM Unmanned mass production machine
hell with this too many of them




Colour Frame:

- Blue frame = CB

- Yellow frame = Innovator

- Red frame = UN EF

Why is there an arrow from GN Cannon to GN-X II Cannon? From what I can read (I'm Chinese so the Jap script seems familiar), is it something to do with the armaments (the blaster? cannon?) on GN-X II Cannon?
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Old 2009-11-29, 01:04   Link #1995
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Why is there an arrow from GN Cannon to GN-X II Cannon? From what I can read (I'm Chinese so the Jap script seems familiar), is it something to do with the armaments (the blaster? cannon?) on GN-X II Cannon?
The GN-Cannon's weapon technology was likely used to create the cannon weapon used by the GN-XII.
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Old 2009-11-29, 01:29   Link #1996
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I always thought it was from the Throne Eins, since the sword type GN-XII used the Buster Sword idea from Zwei.
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Old 2009-11-29, 02:38   Link #1997
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- Others = 0 Gundam -> ACD using particel tank -> FA 0 Gundam Equipment Enhancing Concept
Plutone -> Artemi Experimental Successor
Virtue -> Raphael same as LZ said
Nadleeh -> Virtue Heavy camouflage armor
GN-Cannon -> GN XII Sensor technology
Seraphim -> SEM Unmanned mass production machine


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I dont know about the GN Cannon and GN-X II thing but my hyptohesis its that its related to the sensors.The HG Reborns manual states that it uses sensors developed from the GN-X II Cannon's sensors,now if the GN-X II's sensors were to originally developed from the GN Cannons,if not directly taken,then it directly links the sensors from Reborns Cannon to the GN Cannons.[Which regardless of mentally linking this chart and the info from HG manual,the chart already links directly that anyways]

Since the GN Cannon came before the GN-X II,they chose probably took the sensors from there and used it for the GN-X II Launcher Type,since they are similar combat type long range artilery machines.The Innovators had to be invovled somehow though in the GN-X II,since the Cannon is their machines from their faction.
actually I think this is the answer and yeah I also think that the cannon weapon used by the GN-XII were develop from Throne ein (light blue line Armament technology)
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Old 2009-11-29, 04:02   Link #1998
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The Launcher being developed from Throne Eins would not really be surprising I guess,since the GN-X in general are mass produced Thrones.
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Old 2009-11-29, 17:47   Link #1999
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hmmm come to think of it, isnt the GN tau drives basically the same as the real GN drives i quote "GN Drive Taus are poor imitations to real GN Drives and incapable of semi-perpetual energy generation or storage because they lack TD Blankets, a component relevant to GN particle generation and utilization." from Gundam Wikia. So meaning if they modify these GN Tau's and bring it to jupiter it can be real GN drives? remember that CB can repair the drives probably they have spare parts ? o.o just a random guess
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Old 2009-11-29, 18:05   Link #2000
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GN taus are similar in function to true GN drives. The real drives utilize the TD blanket (Topological Defect, like a magnetic monopole) to catalyze some sort of decay (proton decay) to produce GN particles and release energy. Taus work by taking energy and forcing the decay. Although it's very likely that the reaction in the taus produces the same thing (proton decays into GN particles and byproducts and releases energy), it loses more energy to entropy than it can recover from the reaction. In short the true GN Drives catalyze proton decay but let it happen naturally, whereas the Taus pump the proton with energy until it becomes unstable and decays.
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