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I was just thinking of things from Emilia's perspective.
- I wanted to treat me like you treat everyone else - In the last arc Subaru at first didn't know and then didn't care that Emilia was a candidate to the throne. He just treated her "normally". Now he's going on about he's her attendant or knight or how he wants to make her into the ruler. She doesn't want anything like that from him, she just wants him to be her friend. When she said "he's not my attendant" before, she wasn't rejecting him. Subaru has gotten attached to his role (or rather clings) as Roswaal's servant but I don't think either Emila and Roswaal really considered him as such and knew it was just a temporary situation. - Why are you doing so much for me? - I think from Emilia's perspective, what Subaru is trying to do in the last 2 episodes is a lot more than what he's done for her in all of the previous episodes. In the first arc, he helped her find that lost insignia and got caught into a dangerous fight with the slasher woman. There's no reason for her to think that he went into that situation knowing that he would run into a dangerous situation like that. In the second arc, he was running around being a servant, suddenly got involved in protecting the villages and then Rem/Ram. Fundamentally, she wasn't involved. He didn't protect her from anything. Of course, from Subaru's perspective what he's done is the last 2 episodes is nothing compared to what he's gone through in the last 2 arcs. Quote:
In the last arc Emilia seemed to trust him completely, always willing to help and defend him And when she asked him about the duel this arc, she started off thinking that he got a good reason for getting into the duel. Subaru in the last 2 episodes wasn't really acting in a trustworthy manner. He even got involved with another candidate to throne, somehow. She doesn't know anything about his past and he doesn't explain important things (admittedly he can't). The fact that she can't bring herself to blindly trust him is completely reasonable. Despite his claims, all his actions have made things more difficult for her, not less. There's was no reason for him to barge into the meeting. It's just a meeting, what would she need help for? Why has he never explained he came from another world anyway? That's nothing to do with his curse. As for the other cast members. Rem distrusted him before but now I'm just she just blindly believes him. I don't know what Ram's opinion is but Roswaal certainly doesn't trust him. The other cast members aren't really in a situation yet where they need to trust him. Also, it's odd you claim that Emilia has trust issues and then describe her as naive. It seems like both of those can't be truth. Quote:
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2016-06-27, 12:00 | Link #2125 |
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By actually using his head, trying to adapt with circumstances and finding out more about his situation (even with the breakdowns) and by not being a total idiot. Also Subaru enlisted help from Puck or Betty in a roundabout way rather than doing everything himself. Subaru at least looked like more capable and smart than the obsessive stalker character he turned into this episode.
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2016-06-27, 13:27 | Link #2127 |
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Also, this episode answered another question that was previously asked/wondered which I think was not brought up in the discussion so far; ie. what constitutes the revealing of "Return By Death". Subaru didn't attempt to reveal his ability directly, but attempted to mention what happened in the first loop in the first arc to Emilia, and that was also out of bounds.
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There's the "only I remember" part, but honestly the story fails to emphasize that properly, and when it does it's a bit awkwardly timed to actually feel positively for Subaru (does anyone feel positive of the last scene?). Last episode it was timed with his conversation with Emillia at the end. Ironically Subaru fails to convey his inner struggles to the people watching just as much he does to Emillia. Keeping that point in mind we have the following problem... Quote:
Current Subaru could probably achieve more by just being a more relaxed character, especially given his death power. It's like the author is hellbent on depicting Subaru as some savescuming n00b. Quote:
It's not fun to watch a character bleed potential.
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She hoped Subaru would be different... but he isn't. He doesn't care about the princess or half-elf thing, but everything he does is for the sake of an Emilia that doesn't really exist anymore, and that the present Emilia knows nothing about. |
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2016-06-27, 16:24 | Link #2130 | ||
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He had two options. The first being to stay at home, the second being trying to sneak into the meeting. It would have been better to do the first but instead he did the second so he could learn more about his situation. It was pretty stupid to do but it's pretty much the only action that Subaru, and in fact every main character even, would do. He didn't really have a plan for how to sneak in, so Pricilla bringing him was really helpful. It's a bit front and center and it would be stupid to try and find another way. The part where everything falls apart is when he gets mad at everyone insulting Emilia. He makes a scene trying to act like a hero but then that knight guy verbally cuts him to shreds. He panics, he realizing that he doesn't have a leg to stand on (see http://i.imgur.com/BmK81D5.jpg) but he can't simply back down so he just doubles down on his stupidity. You probably don't have any objections to what I said in first three paragraphs. The problem is fourth one. Do you believe that Subaru thinking himself a hero and acting all grandiose is out of character? The only smart action he could have taken here would be to not say anything at all. However, that's not really something Subaru would do. Quote:
He probably didn't idolize to that extent after the first arc. It's just that in the second arc, when everything was going bad she was always his oasis. He could relax and be happy when she was around. He was kind of serious when he started thinking of her as an angel. I think that the biggest thing was that lap pillow. Before she gave him a lap pillow he was completely panicked and had no idea what to do. That lap pillow had a huge effect on him. |
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2016-06-27, 16:55 | Link #2131 | |
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2016-06-27, 18:08 | Link #2132 | |
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Besides that guy was just being nice. Emila didn't need defending. She can defend herself and for those that won't listen... they won't listen to Subaru either. |
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And the Head Sage clearly disagrees with your 2nd point. Yes it won't get rid of her stigma overnight or anything, but fact there is someone, a normal human at that, who supports her give some creditance to idea she might not be that bad. Especially because few would believe Emilia by her words alone. |
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You would perhaps have a good point here if not for the fact that there's not a single person in this series beyond Emilia that has these problems with Subaru. Everyone else seems fine with Subaru and the explanations he's given, and especially the actions he's taken which show his allegiance. Not to mention her best friend in the whole world is a magical spirit that can say with complete certainty whether or not Subaru is a bad person, and he totally vouches for him. Puck even wanted her to help him save Roswaal's village in the previous arc. We're shown a very clear contrast between the way she treats Subaru and the way other people treat him. Additionally, in the previous arc Emilia still had a nasty tendency to baby Subaru the way she did in these last couple of episodes. She has good intentions, but she doesn't seem to realize how dismissive she is of him and his character. Most people would snap at her if she talked to them the way she talked to Subaru in the capital, telling him to stay and be good and trying to confine him to his lodging. On that last bit, your claim that Subaru has made things more difficult for her, that's actually untrue. It was specifically established that his outburst forced Emilia to actually respond to the racist remarks that were made. Whether the outburst with the duel made a difference or not, given the dismissive tone of everyone in the room, I doubt they really cared all that much if Subaru got the shit kicked out of him. Quote:
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2016-06-27, 20:50 | Link #2135 |
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While I can agree that Emilia hasn't fully opened up to him yet, she didn't make that promise with Subaru because she distrusted him. She did because from her point of view he's been going to extreme lengths when comes to her defense to the point where he ends up nearly dying consisently or suffers emotionally. He's still recovering from those injuries he got from some of those conflicts and it's become a burden on her conscious because she has no idea what's driving him to that go far. Emilia is clearly not used to people doing things like this for her (remember she strongly insisted that Subaru should accept a better reward for his help against Elsa), but she knows will enough that he run off to her defense heedless of his own health. Hence why she decides to directly address this for once in hopes that he would back down this time if there were conditions. Emilia is only looking out for him by setting those terms which he accepted.
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2016-06-27, 22:27 | Link #2136 |
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Subaru is a bit too genre savy and considers himself to be the protagonist of this story, and Emilia the heroine
that's really the root of most his troubles until now he assumes he has more agency and influence that he actually has he assumes the story follows Light Novel tropes he assumes Emilia must follow a specific expectations and path since she's "obviously" the heroine in hasn't set in yet, that he might be wrong on all of these
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2016-06-27, 23:00 | Link #2137 | |
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It's quite evident in their argument after Subaru got his ass whooped. The points flings against Subaru are stuff like. 1. You're doing it for yourself aren't you? 2. You broke my promise so i can't trust you anymore 3. You are doing it because i'm special right? She's having trouble understanding unconditional love, she thinks "love" or maybe say help from others always carries with it a condition. Emilia's thinking: 1. You're helping me to benifit yourself? 2. You need to keep a promise or i can't trust you anymore 3. You're helping me because i'm princess/king candidate. While it may not seem too obvious. I feel that Emilia's character is built around her not understanding the concept of unconditional love. It's likely she has gotten a lot of shit from people for her being half elf, looks like Satella etc. Deep down inside she is not really a believer in the intrinsic good of people. For good reasons but still. What Emilia may be thinking about the people around her atm: Puck: helping her because contract Roswall: cos i'm princess Rem and Ram: cos they work for Roswall Beatrice: is she even a helper? Subaru: not even sure what to think about him. It's quite ironic that her final goal if she is to become king is to have equality for the people. The whole thing is super ironic if you think about it. The one who is talking about equality doesn't truly believe in equality. Or at least she doesn't believe its a natural thing. In her eyes, equality and respect needs to be gained with the power of kingship, it needs to be enforced, it needs to be gained with power because there is no true equality in this world. And when you use force to enforce equality. You are imposing your ideals on other people from a superior position. Doesn't it already imply that you and the other party are not true equals? Or lets say, would she really be happy if she became king. And forced everyone to follow her ideals of equality? No, i don't think so. Because she knows that they are forced to do it and its not real. She doesn't show it, but you can tell that in her situation, she is actually quite lonely and vulnerable and really needs people to just reassure her. Which honestly is something that Subaru really sucks at. The guy just couldn't read a clue. Out of the whole Roswall household Subaru was most likely the one she trusted the most after Puck. I think she was honest when she said that she "had high hopes of him". Who else could she rely on in that household? It's not even a matter of who has the strength to help her. Roswaal is super strong but are you going to trust him? No. Her whole ideal of equality through kingship is flawed and she herself doesn't realize it. She doesn't need to be king. She doesn't need you to have superpowers to help protect her. Poor girl just needs a real friend man. And Subaru doesn't get it despite her being his crush. Basically a death sentence in terms of eh love. I just know that he really isn't going to get the girl like that. Still even after all i typed i think the one who needs to take most of the blame here is still Subaru. I would probably fault Subaru more for not actually understanding Emilia AT ALL more than all his silly antics. And also arc 1&2 has really made him slightly too over-confident, which leads to him acting retarded this episode. The SubaruXEmilia ship is just going to sink so stupid fast. Both of them just don't seem that good at understanding other people. Rem is just better btw. So no harm done. Last edited by Cicili; 2016-06-27 at 23:27. |
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2016-06-27, 23:29 | Link #2138 |
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13 episode in and I still think that Subaru might be legally retarded, while Emilia gets the award for most generic and basic character I have ever seen. It seems that about the only interesting thing about this series is the reset mechanic and even that got boring in the last arc. As it stands at the moment i'm only watching to see what Felt does since she is about the only one I seem to be able to care about at this point.
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EDIT: As the entire thing was deleted (even though a minor part was spoilers) I shall revise my reasoning to be completely spoiler free Emilia hasn't been developed in depth yet, Emilia says so herself that the image Subaru had of her was far too idealistic. How Subaru sees her is how we also see Emilia, and at this point it is not a spoiler but an inevitability that we will explore her character further.
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