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Xellos-_^ · 2011-11-13, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

So Arthur's popularity bonus in Japan is offset by Gilgamesh's seniority bonus, despite his not being as popular there?

Sounds complicated.

less then US college football rankings

Mirron · 2011-11-13, 15:56

Nah, Gilgamesh still gets more overall power, he's just too arrogant to make use of it. Though wonder if Final Fantasy Gilgamesh would affect HS Gilgamesh in terms of power any, he's decently popular himself.

But, random thought aside, Gilgamesh is so ancient that he's supremely powerful, most can't directly go up against him. He just happens to be the most arrogant HS of them all though, or close to it, so even if he can win, it's not in his nature to try as hard. Like his lounging around sipping on wine and not really trying too hard in the initial battle (if you can call it that) he was in.

Geburah · 2011-11-13, 17:22

By the way ancient and fame bonus only gives stat boosts not NP boosts. In Gil case his strenght lies on his HAX arsenal rather than in his combat stats which are average at best due to be an archer class

Master_Yoma · 2011-11-13, 22:39

Some people are just hard to kill even if you over kill

HandofFate · 2011-11-13, 23:12

How do outsiders usually see Emiya when he's using Time Accel, it doesn't look like regular 'total time control' where it looks like they're teleporting, he's still moving regularly, just faster.

That's probably thing lost in translation when moving from a reading medium to a visual one.

Also, whose/what kind of perspective does the Fate/Zero take?

It was nice that Kayneth is able to back up his confident, noble-ish mannerisms. His magic and control is pretty high tier.
Isn't reality marbles a big deal in the mage academic world though.

Makes me more curious about Waver, and if he has any notable magic skills, since he was so big saying how a 3rd generation mage can be equal to a 9th generation one with hard work.

Jerseykid · 2011-11-13, 23:22

Keyneth in the house was just awesome. Every anime must be jealous that they have this much freedom in their combat to come up with stuff.

I am guessing the gun at the end must be something special. There was too much confidence in his look for it not to be so.

Haak · 2011-11-14, 02:13

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

I love how Urobuchi/Nasu chose for Caster to mistake Saber as Joan since that was what 99% of the fan base thought she was while they played the game.

Lol yeah. I was thinking she must be Jeanne when I first watched FSN. In some ways...I still wish she was.

PhoenixFlare · 2011-11-14, 02:48

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

How do outsiders usually see Emiya when he's using Time Accel, it doesn't look like regular 'total time control' where it looks like they're teleporting, he's still moving regularly, just faster.

I'd just put it to "Now you see him, now you don't" kind of view.

Kallen4life · 2011-11-14, 06:04

dat harem is growing ever stronger

that's what you get when there's 6 guys and 1 girl

Nightengale · 2011-11-14, 07:21

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

How do outsiders usually see Emiya when he's using Time Accel, it doesn't look like regular 'total time control' where it looks like they're teleporting, he's still moving regularly, just faster.

That's probably thing lost in translation when moving from a reading medium to a visual one.

Accelerating time within his body is pretty much just what you've said... a glorified speed boost.

It's not as if Kiritsugu slows down the time of his surroundings, he just makes it so that he's seeing things as if they're in slow-motion.

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Originally Posted by jonli

Then for Archer (fsn) how could he not remember Saber? Or if he does remember Saber, wouldn't he know the outcome of his battle that it is inevitable? Like doesn't he remember his young self besting him? I'm just slightly confused, I've been trying to catch up recently reading all the fate wikia but they don't explain everything or at least not clearly enough, anyone who can clear things up a bit for me would be awesome.

Obviously there was some retcon here and there in translation by creating a sequel before the prequel.

Spoiler:

biodude711 · 2011-11-14, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

Accelerating time within his body is pretty much just what you've said... a glorified speed boost.

It's not as if Kiritsugu slows down the time of his surroundings, he just makes it so that he's seeing things as if they're in slow-motion.

So, it's basically bullet-time?

jonli · 2011-11-14, 07:24

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Originally Posted by biodude711

So, it's basically bullet-time?

I think it's more like Force-speed.

~Yami~ · 2011-11-14, 11:08

battle, battle, and battle... oh my!! Fate/Zero is exceeding my expectation

Saber + Lancer Vs Caster is epic.... while Kiritsugu somehow can do some time magic... nice...
although I don't know which one is true Kiritsugu... he somehow show two different face in front of Maiya and Irisviel....

still hope they will re-make all of battles in Fate/Stay Night ... xD

ReddyRedWolf · 2011-11-14, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

Um, how exactly is that supposed to indicate Kayneth was scared shitless? He simply shielded himself and hipnotised a guy to more stealthily make his escape from what was clearly a disadvantageous situation for him.

Upon touching that mercurial sphere that guy started spouting he should get away again and again.

One would think it was the man himself but it was actually Kayneth. After he collected himself from the shock he spoke through that man to transport it.

Besides Saber the reason he target's Kiritsugu is that he recognizes Kiritsugu is a dirty underhanded bastard that nearly killed him and his fiance.

He had no idea his opponent did not have mage's pride.

But he's making another mistake taking on Kiritsugu one on one without Lancer as backup.

His fiance called him a coward. He is a coward. He's afraid that Waver could be right that Inheritance means squat at being a good mage or Kiritsugu can kill him without resorting to magic.

Mirron · 2011-11-14, 18:30

Well, I imagine the hypnotizing aspect is probably not Kayneth's strong suit, so he could probably only give the guy a really simple command. I don't think that was Kayneth's thought process at all, that'd be... kind of odd.

And I think Kayneth is just cautious. Which... well, he should be. It's a battle to the death.

fertygo · 2011-11-14, 19:41

Just rewatched the eps.

I'm surprised no one that mention that Kiritsugu's smirk at the end so smoking hawt ;_;

Ilya and Saber who?

Kokukirin · 2011-11-14, 20:39

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Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

But he's making another mistake taking on Kiritsugu one on one without Lancer as backup.

His fiance called him a coward. He is a coward. He's afraid that Waver could be right that Inheritance means squat at being a good mage or Kiritsugu can kill him without resorting to magic.

Don't you think you are contradicting yourself? Kayneth cannot be a coward for taking on Einzberns and Kiritsugu on their home territory by himself. And Waver is not even seen as a threat to him.

PhoenixFlare · 2011-11-14, 22:18

One question: Despite the high-fantasy setting of Fate/Zero, did no one actually question why the policeman actually dared touch Kayneth's mercury sphere since it is known to be a particularly dangerous chemical? :S

fertygo · 2011-11-14, 22:26

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

One question: Despite the high-fantasy setting of Fate/Zero, did no one actually question why the policeman actually dared touch Kayneth's mercury sphere since it is known to be a particularly dangerous chemical? :S

Curiosity is the bitch.

Moekou · 2011-11-14, 22:44

By the way, since many people are calling Kiritsugu a moron for alerting Kayneth at the end, I can think of a justification. The Contender he pulled out at the end is a single-shot gun. At the very least, in real life this is because it exchanges ammunition for rifle-like accuracy and power. Thus, it's all or nothing. He's screwed if fails to at least critically injure Kayneth if not kill him.

As you may have noticed, Kayneth is immobile when he's in his mercury defense mode. Since people are speculating the bullet in the gun has strong anti-magic properties, Kiritsugu would want to make sure he hits. It would sure suck if a surprised but alert Kayneth instinctively tries to dodge or use some other magic to help him effectively do so, or even just takes a non-fatal wound and keep going. Perhaps unlikely, but we've already seen Kiritsugu isn't someone who takes chances. Thus, by alerting Kayneth and firing his machine gun as a decoy, he's making sure Kayneth just stood still with his mercury defense without making any attempts to dodge. Assuming the Contender fires anti-magic bullets, Kiritsugu would get a free, guaranteed shot.

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	How do outsiders usually see Emiya when he's using Time Accel, it doesn't look like regular 'total time control' where it looks like they're teleporting, he's still moving regularly, just faster. That's probably thing lost in translation when moving from a reading medium to a visual one. Also, whose/what kind of perspective does the Fate/Zero take? It was nice that Kayneth is able to back up his confident, noble-ish mannerisms. His magic and control is pretty high tier. Isn't reality marbles a big deal in the mage academic world though. Makes me more curious about Waver, and if he has any notable magic skills, since he was so big saying how a 3rd generation mage can be equal to a 9th generation one with hard work. __________________ ...

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2011-11-13, 15:56	Link #102
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	Nah, Gilgamesh still gets more overall power, he's just too arrogant to make use of it. Though wonder if Final Fantasy Gilgamesh would affect HS Gilgamesh in terms of power any, he's decently popular himself. But, random thought aside, Gilgamesh is so ancient that he's supremely powerful, most can't directly go up against him. He just happens to be the most arrogant HS of them all though, or close to it, so even if he can win, it's not in his nature to try as hard. Like his lounging around sipping on wine and not really trying too hard in the initial battle (if you can call it that) he was in.

2011-11-13, 17:22	Link #103
Geburah Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	By the way ancient and fame bonus only gives stat boosts not NP boosts. In Gil case his strenght lies on his HAX arsenal rather than in his combat stats which are average at best due to be an archer class

2011-11-13, 23:22	Link #106
Jerseykid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Keyneth in the house was just awesome. Every anime must be jealous that they have this much freedom in their combat to come up with stuff. I am guessing the gun at the end must be something special. There was too much confidence in his look for it not to be so.

2011-11-14, 11:08	Link #113
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	battle, battle, and battle... oh my!! Fate/Zero is exceeding my expectation Saber + Lancer Vs Caster is epic.... while Kiritsugu somehow can do some time magic... nice... although I don't know which one is true Kiritsugu... he somehow show two different face in front of Maiya and Irisviel.... still hope they will re-make all of battles in Fate/Stay Night ... xD

2011-11-14, 18:30	Link #115
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	Well, I imagine the hypnotizing aspect is probably not Kayneth's strong suit, so he could probably only give the guy a really simple command. I don't think that was Kayneth's thought process at all, that'd be... kind of odd. And I think Kayneth is just cautious. Which... well, he should be. It's a battle to the death.

2011-11-14, 22:18	Link #118
PhoenixFlare The Resurrector Author Join Date: Sep 2007	One question: Despite the high-fantasy setting of Fate/Zero, did no one actually question why the policeman actually dared touch Kayneth's mercury sphere since it is known to be a particularly dangerous chemical? :S

2011-11-14, 22:44	Link #120
Moekou Stardust is Delicious~! Join Date: Nov 2011	By the way, since many people are calling Kiritsugu a moron for alerting Kayneth at the end, I can think of a justification. The Contender he pulled out at the end is a single-shot gun. At the very least, in real life this is because it exchanges ammunition for rifle-like accuracy and power. Thus, it's all or nothing. He's screwed if fails to at least critically injure Kayneth if not kill him. As you may have noticed, Kayneth is immobile when he's in his mercury defense mode. Since people are speculating the bullet in the gun has strong anti-magic properties, Kiritsugu would want to make sure he hits. It would sure suck if a surprised but alert Kayneth instinctively tries to dodge or use some other magic to help him effectively do so, or even just takes a non-fatal wound and keep going. Perhaps unlikely, but we've already seen Kiritsugu isn't someone who takes chances. Thus, by alerting Kayneth and firing his machine gun as a decoy, he's making sure Kayneth just stood still with his mercury defense without making any attempts to dodge. Assuming the Contender fires anti-magic bullets, Kiritsugu would get a free, guaranteed shot.