Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[Isekaijin]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Well, there is not much to argue on this point. From this episode, we could either interpret that she is naturally talented or that she actually tried to achieve all those things in order to be number one. It is all to perspective with the information we have been given.

Actually there's information there that proves Sena can do anything with minimal effort on her part. Remember how she learned to swim? How many seconds it took her again?

Yozora herself said that she didn't believe in horoscopes before the divination and despite that Sena fell for it, even after Yozora was visibly holding her laughter. That's not being a bullying victim, that's having ADD.

Besides Yozora's pranks are getting more and more harmless which each passing episode. If Sena can recover from her pranks in one day why do her fans keep demonizing Yozora and whine way more than she does?

[thundrakkon]

Wow, I really need to trim down on the replies... There are so many now...

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Tell me something though, why doesn't she do anything to Yukimura and Kobato then?

Because it is not as entertaining for her to do so? She gets joy out of doing this, and if it is not fun for her, then she won't do it. Yes, also they are not as naive and easily tricked. I think she did try at some point, but they were quick to thrawt her, just don't ask where, since I can't remember the exact scene.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I'm going to have to ask for an example of this where she runs away when challenged and lost. In the two events where she puts down Rika's movie and game and was proven wrong, she admits that she was wrong and apologized.

It's more when Kodaka disagrees with her that she goes silent. She acts mighty and forceful against everyone else, but when Kodaka disagrees, she seems lost.

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Maybe I'd believe she tries her hardest if she wasn't such a gullible moron outside of her test scores.

Hey, no one has ever mistaken Sena for having street smarts. Book smarts, yes, but very naive and gullible.

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Nope. If you paid closer attention and weren't so focused on negativity maybe you'd see things differently. This episode actually has one noticeable instance that proves your statement incorrect.

Actually, that scene was another instance of Yozora feeling defeated for doing wrong. Yes, she has a conscience. But that was because Sena was serious about being her friend, and she stepped all over it. She felt everything was fine with what she did, and acted mighty to, until she realized she trampled on someone who was trying to be nice to her and be her friend. So yes, she has a conscience, but regardless, she enjoyed doing it until it actually affected her.

Originally Posted by potchip

In some parallel universe manslaughter is not killing people. Yes she may not mean it but she does it all the time. And worse she can't see the harm she's doing to people.

Wow, you just compared killing someone to someone being conceited. Not much more needs to be said.

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Making friends is all about trust? Friendship isn't something so sacred, there's no friend that you should trust unconditionally. Why do we have to make such an exception for Sena? Even Kobato and Maria's 'friendship' are born from the fires of rivalry.

Trusting anyone unconditionally isn't healthy indeed, but I'd say "trust" remains the most important denominator of indicating how "deep" one's friendship with other is. And I'd say 'Rivalry', at least the healthy kind with no hatred mixed in, is another form of trust. Like the proverb "written as powerful enemy, read as friend".

[frivolity]

I would argue that the fact that Yozora is aware that Sena is gullible actually makes the pranking worse. It's not the same as one of those candid camera pranks where nobody knows beforehand whether the random victim is extra-gullible, here it's a case of intentionally taking advantage of someone else's known weak point.

Edit: After reading through the thread, I think I may have missed the part where Yozora is carrying out her pranks with the intention of benefitting of the other members. Is there any evidence to support this claim?

[potchip]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Wow, you just compared killing someone to someone being conceited. Not much more needs to be said.

Did I? With comprehension such as this, why do I bother.You said Sena has no intention to harm therefore she's absolved of any wrongs. So I did an analogy on intent and outcome. The difference between manslaughter and murder is the intent, but the outcome to the victim is still the same.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by potchip

Did I? With comprehension such as this, why do I bother.You said Sena has no intention to harm therefore she's absolved of any wrongs. So I did an analogy on intent and outcome. The difference between manslaughter and murder is the intent, but the outcome to the victim is still the same.

Which is of course why we have different terms, judgements, and consequences for them.

You're welcome.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

It's more when Kodaka disagrees with her that she goes silent. She acts mighty and forceful against everyone else, but when Kodaka disagrees, she seems lost.

...How is that equal to Sena's literal crying and running away?

Originally Posted by frivolity

I would argue that the fact that Yozora is aware that Sena is gullible actually makes the pranking worse. It's not the same as one of those candid camera pranks where nobody knows beforehand whether the random victim is extra-gullible, here it's a case of intentionally taking advantage of someone else's known weak point.

Her known weakness is to fall for a plan that was discussed in front of her seconds ago?

[Haiprbim]

Amazing episode, truly proves why I just love Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai! :D

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Her known weakness is to fall for a plan that was discussed in front of her seconds ago?

Her known weakness is her gullibility, and this is shown from the hair prank incident. The most that should have been done is to play a trick on her, but not actually following through with it. Yozora (or even Kodaka) should have told her straight after that it was just a joke, instead of letting her go through with it.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by frivolity

Her known weakness is her gullibility, and this is shown from the hair prank incident. The most that should have been done is to play a trick on her, but not actually following through with it. Yozora (or even Kodaka) should have told her straight after that it was just a joke, instead of letting her go through with it.

Sigh, I really don't see why people need to tip-toe around Sena to always have to look out for her feelings and make sure she doesn't cry. She's a big girl you know?

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Sigh, I really don't see why people need to tip-toe around Sena to always have to look out for her feelings and make sure she doesn't cry.

My point has nothing to do with tip-toeing or crying whatsoever. My argument is that if A knows that B is gullible, but decides to trick B, knowing full well about the consequences, then the wrong shifts to A.

This is to be distinguished from a situation in which A plays a prank on B that people normally wouldn't fall for, but A didn't know about B's gullibility. This is not the case here.

In my case, I once tricked a friend into believing that we were having a sleepover at school, and were going to train for our competition at 5 am in the morning. He somehow believed me, and ended up travelling to school at midnight. I deeply apologised for it the next day. I did the same trick a second time the week after, but made sure to call him up to let him know that it was a joke because I now knew how gullible he was.

[Sumeragi]

A being wrong does not absolve B. That is the point C-kun is making.

[frivolity]

I never said that B (or Sena in this case) should be absolved. My post explicitly stated that Sena's gullibility was one of her weak points. My point is that A, knowing B's gullibility, should not have followed through with the prank and should have instead stopped B from carrying it out.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

You're welcome.

You're awesome as always!

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

...How is that equal to Sena's literal crying and running away?

It's just a comparison that she does get bossy (boastful in the case of Sena) and when Kodoka contradicts her, she cowers to him (in Sena's case, literally crying and running away). Yozora is boastful, and when proven wrong she really has not much to counter with. No apologies, no acknowledgement, not even a word. It is sort of her way to "run away".

[Dr. Casey]

One time when I was seven, I asked my older brother if he could get me some Sun Drop. He grabbed a paper cup from our bedroom dresser, went into the bathroom in plain view from where I was sitting, stepped back out with the paper cup now filled with a yellow liquid, and gave it to me. I was all "Thank you, Onii-chan! <3" when suddenly he felt guilty, took the cup out of my hand, and asked me "Weren't you suspicious whenever I went into the bathroom?"

I don't know what the moral of this story is. But it indeed happened. Indeed it did.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Dr. Casey

I don't know what the moral of this story is. But it indeed happened. Indeed it did.

17 years old Sena = 7 years old Casey?

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

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It's just a comparison that she does get bossy (boastful in the case of Sena) and when Kodoka contradicts her, she cowers to him (in Sena's case, literally crying and running away). Yozora is boastful, and when proven wrong she really has not much to counter with. No apologies, no acknowledgement, not even a word. It is sort of her way to "run away".

...What 0_0 ?

That's really stretching it, cowers has an implication of fear.

Not rebutting Kodaka somehow equals to running away?

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by frivolity

My point is that A, knowing B's gullibility, should not have followed through with the prank and should have instead stopped B from carrying it out.

And why should A NOT follow through with the prank?

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

And why should A NOT followed through with the prank?

Lol, is there really a need to answer this question? A should not follow through with the prank because of the possible harm to B. In this case, the harm would be the hurt feelings on Sena's part, and of course getting punished by her father. And of course, notwithstanding all that, it's simply a very mean thing to do, similar in nature to my own prank where I tricked a friend into going to school at midnight.

[potchip]

Wait, this show is missing a genre tag - bible studies.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by frivolity

Lol, is there really a need to answer this question? A should not follow through with the prank because of the possible harm to B. In this case, the harm would be the hurt feelings on Sena's part, and of course getting punished by her father. And of course, notwithstanding all that, it's simply a very mean thing to do, similar in nature to my own prank where I tricked a friend into going to school at midnight.

"Mean thing to do" is not really a sufficient reason short of "one has to be nice", a condition inapplicable to the bunch of non-social kids in the club. Basically, you're forcing standards upon a group of people to which the standards are not applicable.

Basically, the logic is non-existent.