[Manga] Chapter 383 Discussion

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[shaselai]

hope we see a converted jiraiya!

[Luminion Lancer]

-Don't know about anyone else but I predict this chapter will open up with Sasuke and Itachi in the middle of their battle with neither gaining the upper hand over the other.

[ChojinLocke]

Ok guys here is a spoiler :

Spoiler for 383:

Jiraiya "At the end of this life a fable hero, writes a magnificent ending".
As Pain speaks about his "shadow joining boundary technique " Jiraiya still fights, with all his strenght he uses knot technique which kills 2 Pain, after that Jiraiya falls.

"At last this how a shinobi dies"

Pa frog catchs up with ma frog and talks about doing what Jiraiya planned, and let The fith Hokage about the state.

They both decided to head to Fith Hokage's side, but they are being followed by the rain as they head to Konoha. Note: I'm not sure if is reference to shinobies from the rain or to Pain's rain.

Pain " You can't die, I'll make you this promise".
Jiraiya awakes
Pain "!"
Pain "Jiraiya-sensei, now you...!
Jiraiya " At the begining you said that true strenght, come from hatred, grudge and resenment, didn't you?

First one I found in English

[Davitz]

well that sounds like it could possibly happen but i doubt jiraiya has any fight left in him
apart from opening the seals for some monstorous suicide jutsu
thats why ill assume its fake

[Ero-Senn1n]

I don't understand the beginning of the spoiler, Jiraiya is already dead at the end of the last chapter. When he had only one of those black things in his shoulder he already was not able to move, it was the frog that helped him to take it out, there's no way that without the frog and with 5 lethal wounds in with that piercing weapon Jiraiya is able to do anything. 282 was his great farewell chapter, so it would be pointless to bring him back to fight just after it, i think this is 100% fake.

As for the other part, it's likely that Pein would like to have another 6th body, also he has some serious emotional connection with Jiraiya from his past, so i guess he would like to assimilate Jiraiya just like he did with Yahiko. We are the borg, resistance is futile Also that way we could make theories about Jiraiya being returned to life, for example by the MS of Sasuke who splits Pein's souls into individuals, if it is Sasuke who defeats Pein.

[shaselai]

it is possible that jiraiya might have some suicidal attack but would it matter? The 3 peins before were stabbed by a huge sword and came back to life so "killing" 2 wont really make a difference unless some extreme fire technique that incinerates the opponent

[chord]

I don't believe the spoiler either. I think that Jeriyah was converted so Pein now has 6 bodies. I also think that Sasuke and Itachi will take out Pein together.
Because they are closer to the village of Konaho.
I think that if and when Naruto takes out Madarra, the other Atak. will fall.
Leaving Naruto alone for a while, he will get the key and all the news about his past from Lady Tsunade, that's how she knows that Jeriah is dead. Because that frog will find her and tell her to tell naruto and give him the key.
Then ma and or pa will arrive at the village,
I also think that Madarra is still Obito and he will kill Kikashi, but then Something will happen after naruto sees this he will go 6 tails on Obito, destroying Obito with an all out biserk attack and he will take his wind chakra and reverse the pullarity and vaccuum Madaara up inside of the Kyubi's mouth and that will make the Kyubi be able to eat Madarra from with in the cage.
Naruto will get the key and the last villan who is Kabuto will arrive.
Also I think that Itachi will die with Pein makes it to the village, Sasuke will finish Pein off by making his seperate body's go into different deminsion's.
Kabuto is probably the snake the last villian in the Naruto story.
but before he can arrive Naruto will become Hokage and he will make peace in the land restoring the village back to where it used to be.
With all of his friends on the day that Kabuto arrives he will have the sand village, the snow village, the water fall village, and the lady that can extract demons there. They will all help in the battle against the Snake, Naruto will not die, but he will be forced to use his trump card and the Reaper to take out the snake he will trap the snake inside the fox chakra. But then something will happen where a light comes out of Naruto and its his father and mother. They will say why they gave naruto the Fox. And that he has used it well but now the fox is gone and he will be fully restored his own chakra back. Wich is God like anyway.
So then we will cut to where it's not Naurto, but Konaramahugh or Naruto's first sensie, or Sakura telling the story of the Greatest Ninja that ever lived and how he became Hokage.
And will see a little girl who has blonde hair and wiskers there. And Naruto will come over to her and pick her up and say "Believe it, grande daughter, believe it."

[ChojinLocke]

Here is another one which is a bit more believable mainly because of the transition from Jirayas death to Madaras genjutsu to Naruto who has a direct link as his pupil. It also has the supposed start of Itachi vs Sasuke :

Spoiler for 383,b:

Quote:
383情报:

バレ

頭ガエルドロン。傍へ跳び立ち自来也を見下ろすペイン。
黒い武器を持ち弥彦ペイン「今度こそ⋯お別れだ⋯先生」

自来也首を切られるシルエット

首が飛び“ドサッ・・”の効果音と共に場面展開しナルトが地面に倒れ込む。
ナルト「な、なんなんだ⋯ってばよ⋯コイツ⋯？」
キバ「ナルトォ！もういい！戻れ！！」
サイ「⋯」
白眼ネジ「術が全て⋯すり抜けるだと⋯！？」
カカシ「白眼や写輪眼でも見抜けないとは⋯」
「なーんか、タネがあるわけね⋯」
トビ、ナルト達を写輪眼で見下ろす。仮面は付けたまま。

場面変わりイタチ対サスケ

イタチ「俺の死に様か⋯」
サスケ「あぁ⋯⋯今に⋯アンタの眼にも見えるぜ！」
サスケ、イタチに走り寄りクナイで攻撃。
同じくクナイで受けるイタチ。
部屋に“キィーーン”と音が響き
イタチ「忍とは⋯」
「死に様でその価値が計れる⋯」
サスケ「⋯？」
イタチ「俺は兄として、サスケ⋯」
「お前に何がしてやれたろう⋯」
This one i have more confidance in

The chapter starts and Jiriaya is still barely alive. All of the Pains except Yahiko Pain jump to the side to allow Yahiko Pain through. Yahiko Pain says, "This is....Farewell...Teacher." He then uses the black spear to decapitate jiriaya...the scene expands and we see naruto fall to his knee's.

Naruto is captured in Madara's technique(i guess genjutsu). Naruto mutters somthing that can't be understood(i am assuming that Madara has shown naruto's jiriaya's death and he is gripped by sadness) Kiba screams at Madara that this is enough and then he tells Hinata to use Byakugan. Hinato uses Byakugan, but is unable to see Madara's chakra and nethier is Kakashi with the Sharingan. Madara taunts them saying that even with the byakugan and sharingan they will not be able to precieve what he truely is(or somthing like that). Then somthing i don't undestand about Madara's mask and the scene switches to Itachi vs Sasuke

Itachi mocks Sasuke saying i wonder which one of us will die. Sasuke replies that he has already told him that he has seen his death with his own eyes. Sasuke runs at Itachi and attacks him with a Kunai, however Itachi quickly blocks with his own Kunai. Then in an instant Sasuke disappears. Itachi says, "Sasuke where are you." and his voice echos in the room. Itachi thinks that he can be patient because with one of their deaths each of there compacities can be messured

I think it is more probable than the first coz i also think Jiraya is done for. No fight left in him.

[The Chaos]

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

Here is another one which is a bit more believable mainly because of the transition from Jirayas death to Madaras genjutsu to Naruto who has a direct link as his pupil. It also has the supposed start of Itachi vs Sasuke :

Spoiler for 383,b:

Quote:
383情报:

バレ

頭ガエルドロン。傍へ跳び立ち自来也を見下ろすペイン。
黒い武器を持ち弥彦ペイン「今度こそ⋯お別れだ⋯先生」

自来也首を切られるシルエット

首が飛び“ドサッ・・”の効果音と共に場面展開しナルトが地面に倒れ込む。
ナルト「な、なんなんだ⋯ってばよ⋯コイツ⋯？」
キバ「ナルトォ！もういい！戻れ！！」
サイ「⋯」
白眼ネジ「術が全て⋯すり抜けるだと⋯！？」
カカシ「白眼や写輪眼でも見抜けないとは⋯」
「なーんか、タネがあるわけね⋯」
トビ、ナルト達を写輪眼で見下ろす。仮面は付けたまま。

場面変わりイタチ対サスケ

イタチ「俺の死に様か⋯」
サスケ「あぁ⋯⋯今に⋯アンタの眼にも見えるぜ！」
サスケ、イタチに走り寄りクナイで攻撃。
同じくクナイで受けるイタチ。
部屋に“キィーーン”と音が響き
イタチ「忍とは⋯」
「死に様でその価値が計れる⋯」
サスケ「⋯？」
イタチ「俺は兄として、サスケ⋯」
「お前に何がしてやれたろう⋯」
This one i have more confidance in

The chapter starts and Jiriaya is still barely alive. All of the Pains except Yahiko Pain jump to the side to allow Yahiko Pain through. Yahiko Pain says, "This is....Farewell...Teacher." He then uses the black spear to decapitate jiriaya...the scene expands and we see naruto fall to his knee's.

Naruto is captured in Madara's technique(i guess genjutsu). Naruto mutters somthing that can't be understood(i am assuming that Madara has shown naruto's jiriaya's death and he is gripped by sadness) Kiba screams at Madara that this is enough and then he tells Hinata to use Byakugan. Hinato uses Byakugan, but is unable to see Madara's chakra and nethier is Kakashi with the Sharingan. Madara taunts them saying that even with the byakugan and sharingan they will not be able to precieve what he truely is(or somthing like that). Then somthing i don't undestand about Madara's mask and the scene switches to Itachi vs Sasuke

Itachi mocks Sasuke saying i wonder which one of us will die. Sasuke replies that he has already told him that he has seen his death with his own eyes. Sasuke runs at Itachi and attacks him with a Kunai, however Itachi quickly blocks with his own Kunai. Then in an instant Sasuke disappears. Itachi says, "Sasuke where are you." and his voice echos in the room. Itachi thinks that he can be patient because with one of their deaths each of there compacities can be messured

I think it is more probable than the first coz i also think Jiraya is done for. No fight left in him.

Please Tell me This Not one Of the Fake spoilers ....?
Because After reading This....OMG ...I wanna see Chapter Soon...

[Fuuyin]

..the heck!?
tobi fighting naruto now?.itachi & sasuke just talking AGAIN? no pein identity AGAIN?and..was that sai there-サイ？
this gotta be fake
no this IS obviously fake
else i'm gonna eat my cat.fried
because kishimoto-sensei's going from bad to worse as he's completely lost his plot

[Grimkill7]

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

Here is another one which is a bit more believable mainly because of the transition from Jirayas death to Madaras genjutsu to Naruto who has a direct link as his pupil. It also has the supposed start of Itachi vs Sasuke :

Spoiler for 383,b:

Quote:
383情报:

バレ

頭ガエルドロン。傍へ跳び立ち自来也を見下ろすペイン。
黒い武器を持ち弥彦ペイン「今度こそ⋯お別れだ⋯先生」

自来也首を切られるシルエット

首が飛び“ドサッ・・”の効果音と共に場面展開しナルトが地面に倒れ込む。
ナルト「な、なんなんだ⋯ってばよ⋯コイツ⋯？」
キバ「ナルトォ！もういい！戻れ！！」
サイ「⋯」
白眼ネジ「術が全て⋯すり抜けるだと⋯！？」
カカシ「白眼や写輪眼でも見抜けないとは⋯」
「なーんか、タネがあるわけね⋯」
トビ、ナルト達を写輪眼で見下ろす。仮面は付けたまま。

場面変わりイタチ対サスケ

イタチ「俺の死に様か⋯」
サスケ「あぁ⋯⋯今に⋯アンタの眼にも見えるぜ！」
サスケ、イタチに走り寄りクナイで攻撃。
同じくクナイで受けるイタチ。
部屋に“キィーーン”と音が響き
イタチ「忍とは⋯」
「死に様でその価値が計れる⋯」
サスケ「⋯？」
イタチ「俺は兄として、サスケ⋯」
「お前に何がしてやれたろう⋯」
This one i have more confidance in

The chapter starts and Jiriaya is still barely alive. All of the Pains except Yahiko Pain jump to the side to allow Yahiko Pain through. Yahiko Pain says, "This is....Farewell...Teacher." He then uses the black spear to decapitate jiriaya...the scene expands and we see naruto fall to his knee's.

Naruto is captured in Madara's technique(i guess genjutsu). Naruto mutters somthing that can't be understood(i am assuming that Madara has shown naruto's jiriaya's death and he is gripped by sadness) Kiba screams at Madara that this is enough and then he tells Hinata to use Byakugan. Hinato uses Byakugan, but is unable to see Madara's chakra and nethier is Kakashi with the Sharingan. Madara taunts them saying that even with the byakugan and sharingan they will not be able to precieve what he truely is(or somthing like that). Then somthing i don't undestand about Madara's mask and the scene switches to Itachi vs Sasuke

Itachi mocks Sasuke saying i wonder which one of us will die. Sasuke replies that he has already told him that he has seen his death with his own eyes. Sasuke runs at Itachi and attacks him with a Kunai, however Itachi quickly blocks with his own Kunai. Then in an instant Sasuke disappears. Itachi says, "Sasuke where are you." and his voice echos in the room. Itachi thinks that he can be patient because with one of their deaths each of there compacities can be messured

I think it is more probable than the first coz i also think Jiraya is done for. No fight left in him.

I like this one.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Fuuyin

..the heck!?
tobi fighting naruto now?.itachi & sasuke just talking AGAIN? no pein identity AGAIN?and..was that sai there-サイ？
this gotta be fake
no this IS obviously fake
else i'm gonna eat my cat.fried
because kishimoto-sensei's going from bad to worse as he's completely lost his plot

And I suppose you could write a better one?

[tatami]

jiraiya wont be able to use any jutsu with that sword things pierced his back...if they are the same ones before , j man wont be using his chakra properly , also he lost an arm, one arm is pierced along with his shoulder and his throath is done too...

any spoiler with him fighting or using jutsu or talking will be fake...

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

And I suppose you could write a better one?

-Apparently he can because we all know that creating 17-20 pages worth of material every week is just such an easy task to accomplish. [In case you can't tell this is what is known as SARCASM]

-On the spoiler: if it is indeed true (I have my doubts) then be ready for either Naruto releasing so much Kyuubi chakra that Yamato has no time to respond and surpress it or Itachi decides to play hide-and-go-kill with his little Sasuke.

[zepkox]

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

Here is another one which is a bit more believable mainly because of the transition from Jirayas death to Madaras genjutsu to Naruto who has a direct link as his pupil. It also has the supposed start of Itachi vs Sasuke :

Spoiler for 383,b:

Quote:
383情报:

バレ

頭ガエルドロン。傍へ跳び立ち自来也を見下ろすペイン。
黒い武器を持ち弥彦ペイン「今度こそ⋯お別れだ⋯先生」

自来也首を切られるシルエット

首が飛び“ドサッ・・”の効果音と共に場面展開しナルトが地面に倒れ込む。
ナルト「な、なんなんだ⋯ってばよ⋯コイツ⋯？」
キバ「ナルトォ！もういい！戻れ！！」
サイ「⋯」
白眼ネジ「術が全て⋯すり抜けるだと⋯！？」
カカシ「白眼や写輪眼でも見抜けないとは⋯」
「なーんか、タネがあるわけね⋯」
トビ、ナルト達を写輪眼で見下ろす。仮面は付けたまま。

場面変わりイタチ対サスケ

イタチ「俺の死に様か⋯」
サスケ「あぁ⋯⋯今に⋯アンタの眼にも見えるぜ！」
サスケ、イタチに走り寄りクナイで攻撃。
同じくクナイで受けるイタチ。
部屋に“キィーーン”と音が響き
イタチ「忍とは⋯」
「死に様でその価値が計れる⋯」
サスケ「⋯？」
イタチ「俺は兄として、サスケ⋯」
「お前に何がしてやれたろう⋯」
This one i have more confidance in

The chapter starts and Jiriaya is still barely alive. All of the Pains except Yahiko Pain jump to the side to allow Yahiko Pain through. Yahiko Pain says, "This is....Farewell...Teacher." He then uses the black spear to decapitate jiriaya...the scene expands and we see naruto fall to his knee's.

Naruto is captured in Madara's technique(i guess genjutsu). Naruto mutters somthing that can't be understood(i am assuming that Madara has shown naruto's jiriaya's death and he is gripped by sadness) Kiba screams at Madara that this is enough and then he tells Hinata to use Byakugan. Hinato uses Byakugan, but is unable to see Madara's chakra and nethier is Kakashi with the Sharingan. Madara taunts them saying that even with the byakugan and sharingan they will not be able to precieve what he truely is(or somthing like that). Then somthing i don't undestand about Madara's mask and the scene switches to Itachi vs Sasuke

Itachi mocks Sasuke saying i wonder which one of us will die. Sasuke replies that he has already told him that he has seen his death with his own eyes. Sasuke runs at Itachi and attacks him with a Kunai, however Itachi quickly blocks with his own Kunai. Then in an instant Sasuke disappears. Itachi says, "Sasuke where are you." and his voice echos in the room. Itachi thinks that he can be patient because with one of their deaths each of there compacities can be messured

I think it is more probable than the first coz i also think Jiraya is done for. No fight left in him.

This one sounds more like Kishi's style, although I have some problem with the translated part but my Japanese is so limited, its not safe enough for me to correct

LOL and here:
"白眼ネジ" Byakugan Neji? So somehow Hinata turned into Neji...ok!
That was either a typo or this one is definitely fake too

[Fuuyin]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

And I suppose you could write a better one?

an example of twisted logic.if i can't,and of course i can't,equal kishimoto this means that i don't have the right to have any expectations towards naruto?

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Fuuyin

an example of twisted logic.if i can't,and of course i can't,equal kishimoto this means that i don't have the right to have any expectations towards naruto?

Considering you're among few who thought the last few chapters were "bad". when you say he's completely lost his plot than your expectations must be skewed.

[Sazelyt]

There is a more reasonable spoiler out that answers nothing much, which is quite close to what you would expect from a typical Kishi write-up.

[DarkRiku925]

Yeah, well all I know is that Itachi is definately going to put the beat down on Sasuke. I mean, Itachi is probably one of the best ninja in the series and I highly doubt that Sasuke will win. Even if he somehow wins against Itachi it will only be for story purposes.