[Manga] Chapter 387 Discussion

[tatami]

Originally Posted by wtfftw

xD

well i was like hmm ok finaly tai jutsu in this chapter and i was like what if itachi looks in sasuke and unlocks oro or something because of mental stress sasuke isnt able to hold down oro :O i mean oro when in his own world or the place where sasuke was being covered by whatever it was more like sasuke was forcing him down with those needles. We didnt see oro die rather we had to geuss imply that he was death.

Just think about it what spin it would give if sasuek turned in hallelujah allelujah version of gundam or some multiple distress syndrom.

naruto sakura: sasuke!!!!!!!!!
sasuke: tsss nani
naruto: is it really you sasuke
sasuke(actually oro): evil laugh muahahahahahahahaha
naruto: sasuke?????
sasuke: baka run
naruto: no way
sasuke(oro): kills sakura
naruto: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
sasuke kills himself

that be so funny as hell

sasuke kills sakura??

damn just to see that i can accept oro coming back

new spoiler!!!

Spoiler for spoiler:

sasuke and itachi fights...

[Grimkill7]

Originally Posted by tatami

new spoiler!!!

Spoiler for spoiler:

sasuke and itachi fights...

That one's fake.

[tatami]

Originally Posted by Grimkill7

That one's fake.

i assure you its not

[Ryuujin]

Originally Posted by tatami

sasuke kills sakura??

And nothing of value was lost.

[Suna no tate]

Spoiler for spoiler 1:

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387話 イタチのシナリオ…！

煽り 明らかにされた目的…！！

ゼツ「まだ動かないね…」
イタチ「フハハハハハハ！そうだサスケ！お前はあの時から俺のために動かされ
ていたに過ぎないのだ！全て俺のシナリオ通りにな！ そしてそれはまもなくフィ
ナーレを迎える！俺がどれだけこの時を待ったことか…」
サスケ「…」
イタチ「悔しいか？憎ましいか？ それならばこの忌まわしき一族に生まれ落ちた
自分を呪うことだな。 俺を呪うと言うならばそれは間違っている。なぜなら俺は
この一族でするべき」
サスケ「いつも落ち着き払ってるアンタがいつになく喚くじゃねぇか…」
イタチ「何…？」
サスケ「俺がアンタのシナリオ通りに動かされていた？フン…、なら俺がそのこ
れから迎えるフィナーレとやらをぶっ壊してやるよ」
イタチ「フハハハ、それでこそ我が弟だ」
サスケ「…それより、そろそろこの中に掛けてる幻術を解いたらどうだ…？ 俺に
幻術が効かないことは判ってるハズだ」
イタチ「この幻術はお前に掛けているモノでは無い」
サスケ「…？」
イタチ「今俺達をマダラの部下が監視している。 奴を相手にするのは流石に手間
が掛かるからな。そのための幻術だ」
サスケ「他の奴に幻術を掛けながら俺と殺り合う気か…。なめられたもんだな」
イタチ「さて、お喋りはこの辺にしてそろそろ始めないか…、サスケ」
サスケ「もうとっくに始めてる」
印を組むサスケ。
イタチの四方の地面から光が出てきてイタチを瞬時に捕縛。
イタチ「これは… 猫眼石！」
サスケ「あぁ…、そうだ。知ってるだろ？対写輪眼用に作られたこの石は… 写輪
眼から微量に発せられる写輪眼特有のチャクラを感知し…、そのチャクラの源を
数秒の間縛る！」
イタチ「く… 猫バアか」
サスケ「後ろだ」
サスケの左手から千鳥がサスケの背後に伸びてサスケの背後にいたイタチを貫く
。
イタチ「！」
サスケ「アンタの態度で本物と偽物の区別はつく。 この眼で見切れないってこと
は影分身か？」
イタチ「甘いな」
猫眼石の捕縛が解けて捕まってたイタチがサスケをクナイで切ろうとする。後ろ
のイタチは消える。
サスケは草薙の剣で両断。
すると黒い霧が発生。
サスケ「！」
イタチ「視界がゼロになった時… お前の写輪眼は効力を失う」
サスケ「チィ…、だがアンタも…」
イタチ「万華鏡写輪眼は特別なのだ。 この天照はな！」
イタチの左眼にズーム。

煽り 万華鏡写輪眼…！！その真の力が、今…！！

Spoiler: Translation
Credits: Brucelee @ forums.narutofan.com

Itachi's scenario

cover: the intention which became known,...!!!

Zetsu: they're still not moving...
Itachi: fuhahahahaha! that's right Sasuke, from that time you've been dancing to my tune. everything is going according to the scenario I envisaged! and now the finale is upon us! Have you any idea how I've longed for this moment...
sasuke:...
Itachi: Are filled with regret? Are you filled with hate? In that case you should curse yourself for being born in this wrestched clan. detesting me is a mistake because I'm doing what this clan has always done (NB the Japanese here is odd but I THINK this is it)
Sasuke: For one usually so calm it's unlike you to scream and yell,
itachi: what?
Sasuke: I moved according to your scenario? hrmph...then I better make sure I wreck the ending the ending, right?
itachi: fuhahahaha, truly spoken as my brother!
Sasuke: more importantly, isn't it about time you dispelled the genjutsu here? I thought you realized that genjutsu don't work on me.
Itachi: this genjutsu isn't for you.
Sasuke: ?
Itachi: we are being watched by one of Madara's underlings. fighting him would be real trouble. That's what this genjutsu is for.
Sasuke: You intend to fight me while using a genjutsu on someone else? I've really been underestimated.
Itachi: Well then...let's end our little chat and get started shall we...sasuke.
Sasuke" I've already begun
sasuke makes a seal
light comes up from around itachi and binds him.
itachi: this is...Cat's eye Opal!
Sasuke: yeah...that's right. You know it right? I stone made to combat the sharingan. It senses tiny amounts of the special chakra that come from the sharingan and, for a few seconds it seals it at it's source
Itachi: ku cat granny was it?
Sasuke: behind ...

a chidori comes from sasuke's left hand and stretches out behind him stabbing itachi who was behind him.

Itachi: !
Sasuke: at your level the difference between the real one and a fake is easy to see. If this eye can't tell the difference it must be kagebunshin, right?
Itachi: you're too naive

the spell of the opal has worn off and itachi goes to stab sasuke with a kunai. The itachi behind him vanishes.

Sasuke cuts him in two with the kusanagi sword, and black smoke comes out of it.

Sasuke: !
Itachi: if the filed of vision is zero, you're sharingan loses it's effectiveness.
Sasuke: chi...your's too.
Itachi: MS is special. This amaterasu is anyway.

zoom in on itachi's eye

end: MS! ! The true power...now...!!

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“決着の時！？''
イタチ『フッ…現実を見せてやろう。サスケ。』口元だけアップ。サスケ『フン…下らない。俺はアンタを追っ てきた。今目の前にいるのは幻でも何でもない、俺が追ってきたものだ。それを殺すために…俺はここまで生き てきた…！それが現実だ。』
イタチ回想　木の葉で再会したときのシーン。サスケの顔アップ。現在のサスケの顔アップ。イタチ『成長…… ……してないみたいだな。』
サスケ『何だと。』
イタチ口元アップ『成長してないと言ったのだ。』
サスケ『！！？』
場面変わり水月達と鬼鮫。
重吾『水月、だから勝手な…』
香燐(サスケの方から感じるチャクラは何だ…？安定した二つのチャクラはサスケとうちはイタチのチャクラ。 交互に現れては消え、同時に現れては消える…！気味が悪い。)天井に溶けていくゼツ。
香燐『重吾！アンタは水月に何かあったらフォローを！』目を閉じる香燐。
重吾『…？分かった。』
鬼鮫『ククククッ…水月…あなた、まさか理由は復讐なんかじゃないでしょうねぇ？鮫肌を狙う理 由も…。』
水月笑いながら『復讐だって？遊んで欲しいって言ったじゃないか。もし先輩に罪悪感があるならそれに甘える つもりだよ。』腕が肥大

腕が肥大する。
鬼鮫『相変わらずですねぇ。その笑顔だけは…。さて』
鬼鮫：水月『始めましょうかぁ！：遊んでもらうよ。』
水月と鬼鮫の横顔が半分ずつアップ。歯が軽く似てる。
既に首切り包丁と鮫肌で力比べ。
重吾『始まっちゃったね…。』重吾の表情が一変。
香燐は異変に気付かない。
鬼鮫『強くなりましたねぇ。太刀筋も見事ですよ、水月。』
水月『先輩は何も変わらないね。』
鬼鮫『その動き、お兄さんとは対照的ですね。そこが昔と大きく違う…。ククククッ…。』
水月表情が一瞬強張る。
水月『無駄話が過ぎるよ、先輩。ダルマにしちゃうよ？今回は本気で遊ばせてもらうよ。』水月笑 顔。
鬼鮫『この期に及んでその笑顔ですか、全く…いいでしょう！』
煽り
ぶつかり合う大刀！対峙する黒と黒！
次号『血霧の里の闘い』

Spoiler: Translation
Credits: Gokuro-3

A sentence spoiler
"The time of the showdown!?"

Itachi: Huh (laughing)...I'll show you the true Reality. Sasuke.

Itachi's mouth is zoomed in

Sasuke: Hmph...so insignificant. I've been chasing you. The man infront of me isn't an illusion, but the one that I have always been searching for. I've lived up to this day...to kill him! That is the Reality.

Itachi remembers when they met at Konoha. There is a zoomed picture of the old Sasuke. Also, there is a zoomed picture of Sasuke now.

Itachi: Looks like you haven"t.........grown after all
Sasuke: What.

A zoom of Itachi's mouth

Itachi: Looks like you haven't grown. Thats what I said.
Sasuke:!!?

Scene changes to Suigetsu and Kisame

Jyuugo: Suigetsu, stop...
Karin: (What is this chakra I feel near Sasuke...? The two stable chakra's are Sasuke and Uchiha Itachi's. They both appear alternately and disappear, Then appear at the same moment and dissapear once more...! This is pretty wierd.)

Zetsu dissolves into the ceiling.

Karin: Jyuugo! if something happens to Suigetsu join in the fight!

Karin closes her eyes.

Jyuugo: ...? OK.
Kisame: Kukukuku...Suigetsu...your reason is for revenge, right? The reason why you want the Samehada is the same...
Suigetsu while laughing: Revenge? Didn't I say I want to play around? Senpai, If you have guilt, I'll stick with it anyway.

Suigetsu's arm expands

Kisame: The same as ever, that smile of yours...well
Kisame & Suigetsu at the same time: Let's start for nowww! (Kisame) Lets play around.

A zoom of Suigetsu and Kisame's face (Side view). Their teeth are similair.
They push against each other with their swords.

Jyuugo: It started...

Jyuugo's expression changes.
Karin doesn't realise.

Kisame: You have become very strong. Your skill in this blade is brilliant, Suigetsu.
Suigetsu: You haven't changed a bit.

Kisame: You're movement, it's opposite to your brother. It is greatly different from before...Kukukuku...

Suigetsu's expression has power for a moment.

Suigetsu: You have too many unimportant talks, Senpai. I'll make you a Dharma doll (Japanese doll)? I'll play around for real this time.

Suigetsu is smiling.

Kisame: Smiling in a time like this, well...I'll stick to it!

Headlines:
Clashing swords! Black and Black fight each other!
Next Time: The fight of the village of the blood mist

I kinda like the second cause it has kisame fighting, but I think they are both fake since neither accounts for the pic where sasuke has his eye being grabbed.

[Crusader]

I'd rather see Kisame in action, but whatever it takes to get this portion of the story over. I hate to say this, but I would like Itachi to come out ahead. It's about time Sasuke had to squirm.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Spoiler 1 is stupid, Itachi would never laugh for a whole chapter, not even for one page. Itachi did show strong emotions, but it was in a genjutsu, not the real one. The writer of this fake want Itachi to have a lot of evil laughs

[Grimkill7]

I'm pretty sure both are fake as neither one explains the pic of Sasuke getting his eyes plucked out.

[Dwolfwood]

Sasuke wont lose his eyes, I think the only logical advantage sasuke can use against itachi is to make itachi use the MS consistently to destroy his vision completely, remember who trained sasuke it may seem itachi has the upper hand but his arrogance will be he's down fall, i pretty sure Oro probably filled him in on his brother capabilities

[JackRydden224]

I think that Sasuke might eventually lose his eyes but right now seems a bit too early for it. We still have Pein, Madara, Zetsu, Konan and Kisame to deal with so I doubt Kishimoto would make Sasuke useless while so so may Akatsuki are still running around.

All of us know that Sasuke has to meet Madara later so losing here (his eyes) would render the meeting pointless. Itachi getting Sasuke's eyes does not do anything for the story. What I consider possible is that Sasuke will manage to kill Itachi and obtain MS; perhaps killing one's brother is another way to obtain it, who knows?

[astayanax]

Originally Posted by Dwolfwood

Sasuke wont lose his eyes, I think the only logical advantage sasuke can use against itachi is to make itachi use the MS consistently to destroy his vision completely, remember who trained sasuke it may seem itachi has the upper hand but his arrogance will be he's down fall, i pretty sure Oro probably filled him in on his brother capabilities

Except Itachi never defeated Orochimaru with the MS (Neither did he defeat Deidara with the MS for that matter). We also know that Orochimaru was never paired with Itachi when he was in Akatsuki, but with Sasori instead. Lastly, in his numerous conservations with Kabuto/Sasuke about Itachi and/or the Sharingan, he never mentions anything about the MS. In short, Orochimaru didn't really know all that much about Itachi.

I would say only Kisame (since he pairs with Itachi), Madara, and 'maybe' Zetsu have a true understanding of Itachi's traits.

Itachi getting Sasuke's eyes does not do anything for the story.

Not necessarily. Itachi has as much importance to Naruto and Sasuke as Madara and Pein does. The Story can be shifted to have an omni-potent Itachi as the final boss rather than Madara. It really depends on how Kishimoto decides to go forward with it.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by astayanax

Not necessarily. Itachi has as much importance to Naruto and Sasuke as Madara and Pein does. The Story can be shifted to have an omni-potent Itachi as the final boss rather than Madara. It really depends on how Kishimoto decides to go forward with it.

Madara is already the final evil guy i think, because he caused:
- death of Uchiha clan and Itachi turning evil
- death of a lot of people by using akatsuki
- death of Naruto's father (mother?) by releasing kyuubi on konoha
- death of Jiraiya by turning Pein evil
Well i guess Itachi is nowhere near these achievments.

Sasuke is protected by the plot no jutsu. It may be that Itachi takes one of his eyes and it seems Itachi won. But in the next chapters Sasuke even with one eye might turn the battle to his victory. And since he is protected by the plot: Sasuke takes Itachi's eyes instead of his own and gains eternal MS, but he did not kill his best friend for that so he remains a good guy despite the requirements for EMS.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by tatami

orochimaru caming back right now seems a bit impossible...but can happen, and if it happens it will suck...

If that fight also represents the point to end Orochimaru's presence in the story for good, or to make the point that he is still not dead, why not?

After all, Oro seems to be residing in Sasuke's mind, and right now, Itachi is meddling with that part significantly...

[HiroInazuma]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Madara is already the final evil guy i think, because he caused:
- death of Uchiha clan and Itachi turning evil
- death of a lot of people by using akatsuki
- death of Naruto's father (mother?) by releasing kyuubi on konoha
- death of Jiraiya by turning Pein evil
Well i guess Itachi is nowhere near these achievments.

Sasuke is protected by the plot no jutsu. It may be that Itachi takes one of his eyes and it seems Itachi won. But in the next chapters Sasuke even with one eye might turn the battle to his victory. And since he is protected by the plot: Sasuke takes Itachi's eyes instead of his own and gains eternal MS, but he did not kill his best friend for that so he remains a good guy despite the requirements for EMS.

I don't think Sasuke will take Itachi's eyes but I would laugh if Sasuke stabs Itachi's corpse in the eyes so that even in his death he lost his eyes...also I think that Madara is just going to use a kage bunshin appear behind Itachi out of nowhere and...

Madara: You have done well in becoming an obstacle that will make Sasuke stronger but...you are a mere obstacle and soon like other obstacles...BE TORN DOWN

Itachi: When did h-

Madara: *stabs Itachi through the kidney with a kunai* Sasuke Uchiha....the only person to survive the Uchiha Massacre, it's a pleasure to meet you (I'm just making this up remember) Great-Great-Grandson...now it's time for you to shed your skin and become a Hawk.

Sasuke: Why me? WHY IS IT ALWAYS ME?!

Madara: Because...you are my direct descendant and the split image of me and my brother, you're not like the rest Sasuke you don't belong on the ground slithering, following that fox and slug (reference to Naruto and Sakura)... You are a hawk that must fly higher and devour the snake but it seems you already knew that from your fight with Orochimaru...

Sasuke: How did you...

Madara: I can see it in your eyes as soon as I said Hawk your memories of defeating Orochimaru came flashing back....Sasuke you're friends are in trouble...are you going to come back down to the ground to rescue that baby fox and that slug? or will you continue to fly higher?

Sasuke: You bastard!!! Keep Naruto and Sakura out of this!!

Madara: Why are they so special to you? You left them and tried to kill them...anyway that jinchuuriki boy got involved as soon as his father Minato sealed my fox away in him!!!!

This might not happen until like... 388-392 but anyway:

PLOT TWIST....ITACHI HAS THE CURSED SEAL???????? Because Orochimaru was a pedophile that liked little boys, he could of bit Itachi in his sleep as he thought Itachi would be his next container.

[chord]

Has any body wandered how Obito new about the eye transfer technique?
If Itachi learned it from Madarra he didn't read about if from the church of Uchiha as I like to call it now. I wander if Obito was Madarra's spy or his son.

[naruto89]

Originally Posted by chord

Has any body wandered how Obito new about the eye transfer technique?
If Itachi learned it from Madarra he didn't read about if from the church of Uchiha as I like to call it now. I wander if Obito was Madarra's spy or his son.

i doubt that madara is the final villan due to the whole surpassing the next generation theme and madara's from the old generation and was defeated in that timeframe, so a new superpower villian that surpasses the old should appear

itachi>>>madara
pein>>>rikudo sennin

[chord]

But I do agree with naruto89 on the fact that the theme does seem to be surpassing the generation. So Madarra might get beat by Sasuke or Itachi wich ever one becomes the next EMS user.
I think that is why Madarra said that Sasuke has better eyes that Itahci because he knows that he can surpass Itachi and beat the living poop out of him, and then he will come for Madarra, making Sasuke the ultimate bad guy in the end. Like Orochimaru was in the beginning of the story.

[HiroInazuma]

Nah Sasuke will probably rebuild his clan when some random next powerful ninja comes out of nowhere and will be the new village, having some relation to Konoha as Konoha creates the most screwed villains ever!!!

[Sakuranbo]

So basically the pic where the hand is coming toward Sasuke's face is supposed to be the canon spoiler? Gee, I can't really picture Sasuke being blind hopefully something he does will turn it all around seeing as how he has kept up with Itachi since the showdown began. I can see Itachi being blinded, thus losing Mangekyou Sharingan and his sight altoghter .

[naruto89]

its speculated that the spoiler pic is fake and is merely an adjusted picture from the previous chapter (when madara plucked out his brother's eye's) the suspected reason's for such claims is
- sasuke's lips (no comment)
- itachi's fingers
- sasuke's hairline (not too sure about that one)

Spoiler for pic:

tbh right about now there is no confirmed spoilers