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Old 2016-12-23, 11:53   Link #2481
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In terms of spirit, Deku already towers above much of his classmates (that's sort of the point) so it's good that Bakugou still has the battle edge. I suspect Bakugou won't ever be left far behind which let All Might's exhortation to them to build each other up to work.
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Old 2016-12-23, 12:07   Link #2482
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Yeah, like others said already, it's not too surprising that Bakugou won, considering he was already gifted in the first place. If we bring the Naruto comparisons back into this, he's essentially a Sasuke or Neji (raw talent) compared to Deku's Rock Lee (hard work + effort). And thankfully, unlike Lee, Deku doesn't get flat-out ignored in favor of the "cooler" characters!


And speaking of characters with less focus... while I guess I can understand why people dislike Mineta, I still think folks are too hard on him. It's true that he hasn't gotten much development so far, but that's largely because the plot's been focusing on the more "important" characters lately (Deku, AM, Bakugou, Todoroki, etc.). I mean, it's not just him, guys like Kaminari and Jirou haven't had much time to shine yet, either. I just feel we need to be a bit more patient to get the character payoff we so desperately crave....
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Old 2016-12-23, 14:40   Link #2483
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While Mineta dropping to a lower rank is funny, I'm surprised that Jirou made it into the top ten.

I'm looking forward to seeing where both Deku and Baku's characters and relationship will go from here.
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Old 2016-12-23, 15:51   Link #2484
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No no no don't get me wrong, his classmates(and even some of the other school's kids) are gonna be monster's in their own right and rightly so, but I think Deku has the most raw potential. Like Superman who's THE eminent powerhouse and often referred as "the big gun". Guys like Bakugou, Todoroki etc; will be the twin pillars that will support him and even rival his power BUT Deku at full power will be THE main load bearing column in their pantheon. Think Justice League and remember power =/= importance. That's just my opinion.
i understand you, i also think he will be the strongest but not by large, superman is a powerhouse in his own lvl (unless you fight batman who had a few months time to prepare himself ), but i dont think deku will be like that
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Old 2016-12-23, 16:26   Link #2485
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Yeah, like others said already, it's not too surprising that Bakugou won, considering he was already gifted in the first place. If we bring the Naruto comparisons back into this, he's essentially a Sasuke or Neji (raw talent) compared to Deku's Rock Lee (hard work + effort). And thankfully, unlike Lee, Deku doesn't get flat-out ignored in favor of the "cooler" characters!
I would compare Deku with Naruto(Effort + Latent super powers), with One For All being the stand in for the ninetails. Its a massive OP power that was given to the character which the character has little to no control over, but over time he gets stronger by working hard and tapping more and more into that power. Heck we even have some hints that One For All might even have some level of sentience to it. Heck Deku himself started this series as the social outcast who was considered a failure as far as would-be heroes are concerned.

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And speaking of characters with less focus... while I guess I can understand why people dislike Mineta, I still think folks are too hard on him. It's true that he hasn't gotten much development so far, but that's largely because the plot's been focusing on the more "important" characters lately (Deku, AM, Bakugou, Todoroki, etc.). I mean, it's not just him, guys like Kaminari and Jirou haven't had much time to shine yet, either. I just feel we need to be a bit more patient to get the character payoff we so desperately crave....
I imagine that his original place in the rankings might have been because readers found his pervy and cowardly actions funny, but his drop could be because those were his only jokes and it's gotten a bit stale. And aside for his comic relief he doesn't have much else going for him... Not sure how well more focus would actually work for him. Personally even when he did step up against Midnight i didn't really find him that much more appealing. He really hasn't been doing all that well on making himself cooler; he needs to either step up his fighting spirit or find new jokes to improve his comic relief

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if we talk about serious fights than deku clearly had more of them,
it is only that deku had at most 1.5 years as training while bakugou had his whole life,
actually the fact that deku is even able to be top 5 of his class is a immense fast growth, and we arent talking about a normal class,
each one in UA has the chance to be a "better than average to top tier" hero
I'm not sure Bakugou has had his whole life to get ahead. Afterall while he might have been born with his quirk he hasn't really had much chance to use it. Kids can't just use their quirks whenever they want, especially destructive quirks. Not much time to really train your powers for super hero work. I think Bakugou is more a case of having raw talent for combat and strong instincts on top of his quirk.

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While Mineta dropping to a lower rank is funny, I'm surprised that Jirou made it into the top ten.
Ya Jirou's jump is a bit of a surprise. I mean Kirishima has been a bit of a stand out character so it make sense that he would jump in the rankings, but Jirou hasn't really done much or gotten much focus; wouldn't expect her popularity to spike like that. But hey, i always liked the rocker chick so i ain't complaining

Ochako will have to becareful. She's supposed to be our most prominent lady but she took a big hit this time and is getting close to being knocked out of the top ten. I guess its because she hasn't done that much lately. Afterall i think the previous poll came out after the sports festival, which is where she put up an amazing fight against Bakugou. Even though she's gotten stronger since then with her combat training she hasn't had a chance to really show it off
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Old 2016-12-23, 18:34   Link #2486
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im not sure about the potential-argument, i agree, he will become allmight at 120% or so but bakugou and co wont sit around and stay at their current lvl, the possibility of having a few become capable of competing with deku even after he reached his peak exists :/
Deku's 5% is slightly higher than All Might's 5%. The quirk All Might gave Deku grows every generation. Basically, I see Deku's 80% being the equivalent of All Might's 120%... that we've seen. Because we know that All Might was weakened at that point.

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No no no don't get me wrong, his classmates(and even some of the other school's kids) are gonna be monster's in their own right and rightly so, but I think Deku has the most raw potential. Like Superman who's THE eminent powerhouse and often referred as "the big gun". Guys like Bakugou, Todoroki etc; will be the twin pillars that will support him and even rival his power BUT Deku at full power will be THE main load bearing column in their pantheon. Think Justice League and remember power =/= importance. That's just my opinion.
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i understand you, i also think he will be the strongest but not by large, superman is a powerhouse in his own lvl (unless you fight batman who had a few months time to prepare himself ), but i dont think deku will be like that
I agree with LevelSeven. However, I also don't see it ever working out as a "everyone supports Deku" situation. I see it being a situation where Deku, Bakugou & Todoroki end up leading a variety of different teams. Deku leads one where he's the "Main Gun", sure, but his team's made up of people like Mineta, who's powers are useful but not directly suited for combat. Their main form of combat is Deku makes strategies and leads opponents into traps set by allies.

Bakugou, meanwhile, will lead a mostly-combat focused team of people like Kirishima/Red Riot (hardening guy) and Kaminari/Chargebolt (Electricity/Stun-Gun Contact). They're a team of "heavy hitters" who take out take out their opponents in flashy manners.

Todoroki's team would have people like Iida & Jirou, and work together as all-rounders, with Todoroki being on charge of combat, Iida in charge of getting to the "target", and Jirou being in charge of scouting (since she's earphone jack girl).

I'd also give a team to Momo, and would preferably give her people like Uraraka and Shouji/Tentacle (Dupli-Arms guy), who's powers seem to work well together and can cover each other's weaknesses. Alternatively, to either of the two options, I'd give Momo's team Ojiro (tail guy), as he's just completely competent. But because of that, I also want to give him his own team... that he'd seem like he's fade into the background of.
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Old 2016-12-23, 18:48   Link #2487
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Deku's 5% is slightly higher than All Might's 5%. The quirk All Might gave Deku grows every generation. Basically, I see Deku's 80% being the equivalent of All Might's 120%... that we've seen. Because we know that All Might was weakened at that point.



I agree with LevelSeven. However, I also don't see it ever working out as a "everyone supports Deku" situation. I see it being a situation where Deku, Bakugou & Todoroki end up leading a variety of different teams. Deku leads one where he's the "Main Gun", sure, but his team's made up of people like Mineta, who's powers are useful but not directly suited for combat. Their main form of combat is Deku makes strategies and leads opponents into traps set by allies.

Bakugou, meanwhile, will lead a mostly-combat focused team of people like Kirishima/Red Riot (hardening guy) and Kaminari/Chargebolt (Electricity/Stun-Gun Contact). They're a team of "heavy hitters" who take out take out their opponents in flashy manners.

Todoroki's team would have people like Iida & Jirou, and work together as all-rounders, with Todoroki being on charge of combat, Iida in charge of getting to the "target", and Jirou being in charge of scouting (since she's earphone jack girl).

I'd also give a team to Momo, and would preferably give her people like Uraraka and Shouji/Tentacle (Dupli-Arms guy), who's powers seem to work well together and can cover each other's weaknesses. Alternatively, to either of the two options, I'd give Momo's team Ojiro (tail guy), as he's just completely competent. But because of that, I also want to give him his own team... that he'd seem like he's fade into the background of.
Well I didn't mean they'd form an actual team or league, more like they'll eventually replace All Might as the symbol of peace. I don't see Bakugou forming a team at all, neither Todoroki for that matter, maybe they'll have loose alliances or work close to gether so they're end up teaming up from time to time. Deku imo is the only one who'd probably form a team with Mineta, Ochako and maybe 1 or 2 more from their same year(I'm actually seeing brainwash kid in his team). Though I have a feeling Bakugou will end up dying before the end and Deku will become powerless(or have his AfO nerfed), I'm rarely wrong on my gut feelings.
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Old 2016-12-23, 19:44   Link #2488
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Mineta being a pervert was originally something I didn't have a problem with either, because it was a single character trait, not a character defining trait. However, as the story has gone on, it has only really shown him to be more and more perverted, while having less and less of a character beyond his perversion. It's quite upsetting, as everyone else's character seems to become deeper and broader as time goes on.
Mineta had his character development hapter that was during his training fight against Midnight, he choosen to saved Sero over the boobs for his resolution.
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Old 2016-12-24, 02:05   Link #2489
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pretty much as Darius said, OFA is a quirk that grow with each Generation, so Deku OFA > AM OFA. We don't know the exact rate, but it certain that 5% Deku is stronger than 5% AM, so as far as potential goes, Deku could be listed as one of the highest.

Bakugou vs Deku is more simple in my eyes, Bakugou was literally build on 1v1 fight, as opposed to area suppression Todoroki or tactical Deku. this is not counting the fact that Deku only got his quirk for a less than 1 year while Bakugo already familiarize himself with his quirk all his life. Fact is, Bakugou is simply stronger, more experienced than Deku, Deku might have a shot if you give him a good terrains and time to make a good enough plan, but Deku forte was never acting on the fly
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Old 2016-12-24, 21:11   Link #2490
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Speaking of the poll, I'm actually digging Shigaraki's new trench coat, gives him a more sinister look.
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Old 2016-12-25, 01:22   Link #2491
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I think the bigger thing about One For All is the fact that All Might's wound meant he couldn't go all out with it.
And it also seems very likely since what constitutes OFA is the stockpile power and pass on power quirk, OFA probably contains the quirks of the peevious users too. And it has been confirmed that only Deku and All Might are the non quirk users who got the power. Previous wielders had their own quirks on top of OFA that they probably passed on.
Don't get me wrong, most of the quirks would probably have little to no utility compared to brute strength but Deku is a ceative guy
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Old 2016-12-25, 02:27   Link #2492
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Does this bothering you guys that Ochako (10th) and Asui (9th) lost to Jirou (7th) in female popularity?

What had Jorou did to earn so much votes again?
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Old 2016-12-25, 08:40   Link #2493
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I'm going to have to say I'm not certain about the reasons behind Jirou's popularity either. That said, I do think that she's an interesting character and I would like to see more of her. That said, I would also like to see more of Ojiro and what he can do, as despite knowing of his INCREDIBLY impressive feats (using Guerrilla Warfare tactics to fight his way out of a trap while being surrounded by experienced criminals is outright insane, particularly with the other criminals needing a joint fight of the students assembled), we haven't actually seen him do much.

If I had to say, I would say that a part of Jirou's popularity came from reliability and competency. She's been seen to have embarrassing parents, a common staple of High School Based Stories worldwide for a reason, has displayed high levels of competency and restraint, and has even displayed the traditionally considered girly trait of getting angry at a pervert while being annoyed at the fact they're the only one the pervert didn't want to perv on. This combined with her unshakeable drive that continues even when her ears are bleeding from damage and you have a strong character that's hiding in the background.

Actually, that's an interesting thing about Jirou, she seems to be a bit of a stereotype, the stereotype of a tough-but-girly tomboy. She's also a bit of a Bifauxnen (found the word of Google when looking for a -dere type she'd fit into, but I can't say she's not close to being one. For those like myself who don't know the word, it's basically a female bishy, aka, the girls who basically almost look like they're pretty boys), which also supports or benefits the stereotype.
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Old 2016-12-25, 10:41   Link #2494
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Does this bothering you guys that Ochako (10th) and Asui (9th) lost to Jirou (7th) in female popularity?

What had Jorou did to earn so much votes again?
It's not surprising at all, Iruka was often in top 5 in every naruto polls even though he was being background character for most part in the series
Jirou being popular is good news, her reason probably because her character like Darius drake said. She maybe has lesser screen time than Uraraka and Tsuyu but her character get a positive reaction by fans, this can be a good sign for us that we can see she being relevant in story next time i hope her POV will include electric boy.
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Old 2016-12-26, 13:39   Link #2495
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I'm disgusted by both polls results. At this rate whole fanbase will become fujostained clusterfuck like SnK's.
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Old 2016-12-26, 16:23   Link #2496
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I'm disgusted by both polls results. At this rate whole fanbase will become fujostained clusterfuck like SnK's.
Couldn't agree more. 3-4 years ago we'd get the odd fujo yaoi wank fests every 2 or 3 seasons, now we're getting 2-3 every season, even stories that don't have any of that somehow manage to shoehorn in somehow. But then again battle harem/isekai garbage and moeblob yuri bait have been dominating for years.
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Old 2016-12-26, 18:03   Link #2497
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who is fujo? i cant remember such a character in shingeki no kyojin
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Old 2016-12-26, 19:50   Link #2498
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I'm disgusted by both polls results. At this rate whole fanbase will become fujostained clusterfuck like SnK's.
That because those three are the faces of this series, this is wsj mind i remind you.
The readers are kids who read shounen manga, most reason they read because story is cliche cools and characters are awesome memorable.
Bakugou, Deku, and Tadoroki has that criteria.
I find you found the result disgusting are out of blue but people has taste, right?
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Couldn't agree more. 3-4 years ago we'd get the odd fujo yaoi wank fests every 2 or 3 seasons, now we're getting 2-3 every season, even stories that don't have any of that somehow manage to shoehorn in somehow. But then again battle harem/isekai garbage and moeblob yuri bait have been dominating for years.
The irony is this season is fujoshi season.

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who is fujo? i cant remember such a character in shingeki no kyojin
Its fujoshi
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Wait for MarvelB or anybody to post the better summary
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Ah, spoilers are already posted, I see. Still, let's see if I can add anything:

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