[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Kitsu]

Shkanontrice theory: Proven or not? Must know! XD

*Hoping for it to be false*

Spoiler for Episode 7:

Like Renall said. We do not know yet but Lion and Kanon cannot be the same person. This just disproves the whole Yasu thing thrown around.

[Renall]

If it's fake, it's well-faked, that's all I can say about it.

[DgBarca]

Originally Posted by Renall

If it's fake, it's well-faked, that's all I can say about it.

It sounds like it's an OFFICIAL TROLLING FROM 07TH_EXPANSION.
Well, those BGM seems to be fake, but the screenshot might not afterall.
But come on...It seems that there is something wrong with the whole thing...Zepar and Furfur on the cover and no much of them in the OP ? Vocaloid-like vocals ? There is something soooo wrong...
DAMINT YUKAR...BERNKASTEL ?

[Disz]

Leon is obviously the best character.

[KnightOfTwo]

Originally Posted by Disz

Leon is obviously the best character.

Well yeah, he wears a trench coat, it's pretty much a rule that an awesome character must wear one.

EDIT: oops thought you said Will, nvm my previous statement.

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by Disz

Leon is obviously the best character.

^This. This, alot. I like Leon and Wil. Not as a pairing, of course. Still think they are the best new characters to be introduced in a EP ever (right above Virgilia, Ange, Ama, and the Siestas). :3

[goldenlove27]

Umineko makes Neon Genesis Evangelion feel like a pleasant ride in a blender right about now. I have an Idea: let's go to where Erika is to clam ourselves down. I know I will go... I truly miss her right about now,(I am not kidding).

[LyricalAura]

Hm. The environment where "a forgery could possibly be EP7" is itself Umineko...

[Renall]

This is pretty messed up if it isn't a fake.

Spoiler for My vague speed-read skimming of the first few chapters...:

Virgilia and Battler show up briefly, then Will busts into a completely different location and kicks some asses, then some Bern trolling.

Then we're on Rokkenjima, except Kinzo is alive, Battler isn't around, and Leon is there. Will is there also and they seem to meet. Everyone is in a building I've never seen before, possibly Kuwadorian? Will talks to the adults with Leon, goes back to the chapel to chat with Bern, chats up Shannon.

Will and Leon are then taken to meet with Kinzo, Genji, and Kumasawa. Kinzo appears to tell Leon the story of Beatrice-2 and Beatrice-1. The Beato-2 story is familiar.

The Beato-1 story is the flashback with Young Kinzo and the other Beatrice. Apparently there's a military outpost under Rokkenjima after all, although it seems to just be a radio place or something. It also has a submarine dock(???), and a submarine arrives(!?) with Beatrice(!?!) and the gold(!?!?!?). Beato and Kinzo hang out, then there's a lot of gunfire and people getting injured, although they both appear to survive it and I have no idea who was shooting. They get on a smaller boat and then the scene switches to Nanjo talking to people. I can't tell, but I think they may have fled to Nijima and met Nanjo seeking medical air.

Bear in mind I'm reading exactly 0 text.

EDIT: Will appears to have the ability to go meta and talk to people in-depth about details of the storyline. He meets Maria then meta-shifts to talking to MARIA about her Beatrice.

[Kitsu]

What I find quite interesting is

Spoiler for episode 7:

That Lion doesn't even know Kanon's name. He is supposed to be somewhat high in rank and wears the eagle yet Lion treats him like all other young servants.

[DgBarca]

Originally Posted by Renall

This is pretty messed up if it isn't a fake.

Spoiler for My vague speed-read skimming of the first few chapters...:

Virgilia and Battler show up briefly, then Will busts into a completely different location and kicks some asses, then some Bern trolling.

Then we're on Rokkenjima, except Kinzo is alive, Battler isn't around, and Leon is there. Will is there also and they seem to meet. Everyone is in a building I've never seen before, possibly Kuwadorian? Will talks to the adults with Leon, goes back to the chapel to chat with Bern, chats up Shannon.

Will and Leon are then taken to meet with Kinzo, Genji, and Kumasawa. Kinzo appears to tell Leon the story of Beatrice-2 and Beatrice-1. The Beato-2 story is familiar.

The Beato-1 story is the flashback with Young Kinzo and the other Beatrice. Apparently there's a military outpost under Rokkenjima after all, although it seems to just be a radio place or something. It also has a submarine dock(???), and a submarine arrives(!?) with Beatrice(!?!) and the gold(!?!?!?). Beato and Kinzo hang out, then there's a lot of gunfire and people getting injured, although they both appear to survive it and I have no idea who was shooting. They get on a smaller boat and then the scene switches to Nanjo talking to people. I can't tell, but I think they may have fled to Nijima and met Nanjo seeking medical air.

Bear in mind I'm reading exactly 0 text.

Spoiler for Damn:

Damnit, the submarine with the gold...it's like in the OP...so it is real...after all ? Humpf...it seems that 07th is forcing raging-fan-made episodes

[Disz]

Originally Posted by Renall

This is pretty messed up if it isn't a fake.

Spoiler for My vague speed-read skimming of the first few chapters...:

Virgilia and Battler show up briefly, then Will busts into a completely different location and kicks some asses, then some Bern trolling.

Then we're on Rokkenjima, except Kinzo is alive, Battler isn't around, and Leon is there. Will is there also and they seem to meet. Everyone is in a building I've never seen before, possibly Kuwadorian? Will talks to the adults with Leon, goes back to the chapel to chat with Bern, chats up Shannon.

Will and Leon are then taken to meet with Kinzo, Genji, and Kumasawa. Kinzo appears to tell Leon the story of Beatrice-2 and Beatrice-1. The Beato-2 story is familiar.

The Beato-1 story is the flashback with Young Kinzo and the other Beatrice. Apparently there's a military outpost under Rokkenjima after all, although it seems to just be a radio place or something. It also has a submarine dock(???), and a submarine arrives(!?) with Beatrice(!?!) and the gold(!?!?!?). Beato and Kinzo hang out, then there's a lot of gunfire and people getting injured, although they both appear to survive it and I have no idea who was shooting. They get on a smaller boat and then the scene switches to Nanjo talking to people. I can't tell, but I think they may have fled to Nijima and met Nanjo seeking medical air.

Bear in mind I'm reading exactly 0 text.

EDIT: Will appears to have the ability to go meta and talk to people in-depth about details of the storyline. He meets Maria then meta-shifts to talking to MARIA about her Beatrice.

Spoiler for Really?:

So as long as anyone has a submarine,they can go to the so-called closed Rokkenjima.Really?

[Renall]

No, nothing like that, this is like 50 years ago remember.

Spoiler for Subsequent summaries:

Will hangs out with the cousins for a bit. Leon teases Jessica a lot but they seem friendly as siblings. Will metafies and talks to Jessica about Kanon, then there's some scenes with Shannon and Gohda and Jessica, and a scene of Jessica doing something in the mansion while it's raining (in the "present" Rokkenjima it's sunny). Jessica finds a weird doll in the VIP room. Telephone call, stake sounds, and ahaha.wav. Jessica appears to be fine, and she's still in meta-chat with Will here. Will doesn't seem to like what he's hearing. They de-meta and are back in Kuwadorian(?).

Leon and Will chat some more, go back to the chapel and discuss things. Bern appears, angers Leon, annoys Will. They talk, I believe about Beatrice abstractly, then Leon appears to collapse. Bern and Will talk more, she continues to piss him off.

[Disz]

Can Bern just leave so I can different things?Seriously,all I see is
''He's talking to someone then Bern comes and pisses him off,he leave and talks to someone else then suddenly berns back to piss him off,then he leaves the meta world yet again to talk to someone else,the bern comes back wearing a troll face.''

Leave Bern Leave.

[KnightOfTwo]

Originally Posted by Disz

Can Bern just leave so I can different things?Seriously,all I see is
''He's talking to someone then Bern comes and pisses him off,he leave and talks to someone else then suddenly berns back to piss him off,then he leaves the meta world yet again to talk to someone else,the bern comes back wearing a troll face.''

Leave Bern Leave.

She can't, shes like a certain feline Hellsing character, everywhere and nowhere. It would explain the cat tail.

[Renall]

Zepar and Furfur are indeed present.

Spoiler for What the hell is going on here:

Claire appears entirely without introduction in the theater background set. Zepar and Furfur are there. They tell a story from Claire's book.

Piano remix of Far. Natsuhi is there with the Stakes-as-servants. I believe this is the "Yasu" stuff people were talking about, as everyone appears to be speaking to the narrator, who is unseen. Shannon appears, then the scene cuts back to the theater. Zepar and Furfur seem to be ticking Claire off. We go back to Rokkenjima. The narrator walks into a room and sees Shannon again. Immediate cut back to the theater. Natsuhi(?) is there now, as is Krauss. Zepar and Furfur talk to them, then back to the meta-chapel with Will and Leon. More chatter, then back yet again to Claire in the theater.

Now we're in some other building, either Kuwadorian or just somewhere (Fukuin?). More stakes as servants, Shannon appears, but no cut to the theater again. Narrator and Shannon chat, now back to the theater. Zepar and Furfur talk to Genji and Nanjo.

Will and Leon chat with Bern again at the chapel. Will seems annoyed. Theater briefly, then a chapter break.

Servants are all outside the chapel. Someone goes inside. Back to the theater. Zepar and Furfur talk to Kumasawa. Kumasawa says or does something that merits an ahaha.wav. Kanon, Shannon, and Gohda appear in the theater. Zepar and Furfur talk to them too.

Again in the chapel, weird stuff is happening to our unseen narrator. Gaap is there, though she doesn't appear or anything, she's just there. Or else she's warping the narrator around and he/she just met her. Gaap harasses the narrator and disappears, he/she leaves the chapel, Claire in the theater again. That appears to be the conclusion of the first story, or perhaps "scene."

After a chapter break, the stake-servants are in the theater, as well as Shannon and Kumasawa. Claire goes into the third story (I don't remember seeing the second?).

Kumasawa and the narrator are goofing off in the kitchen. Gaap again, then the theater to talk to Shannon and Kumasawa. Back to Rokkenjima, Genji seems mad about a missing key or something, which is apparently blamed on Gaap. Gaap shows up in the theater for a Zepar/Furfur chat.

More Shannon and Gaap, this time at Fukuin(?). Back to Claire, it seems this story is also over, and we go into story/scene four, which is more servant backstory stuff. Beez is getting mad about something Zepar and Furfur are grilling her about. Gaap seems to have moved the keys to Natsuhi's room. Seems to be the Beatrice legend thing. Narrator and Shannon chat about Beatrice. Gaap shows off again, then back to Claire. Some Zepar/Furfur chat with Gaap, a Claire trollface, Shannon again for more talk.

Back to the theater and Claire is much less subdued now, using Beato's nastier expressions. Golden butterflies, then our first "broken glass" chapter break.

Story/Scene 5: Servants and Natsuhi. Golden butterflies and we transition to the meta-world garden, where Claire appears. Talks to Shannon, they appear happy. Something Shannon says bothers Claire. Shannon is not disturbed in the least. Gaap reappears. Now Claire looks really annoyed.

Now we're on Kawabata's boat. He appears (same portrait as ep4) with Eva and the others. Greeted by everyone. The portrait is not up.

Claire, Zepar, and Furfur are back in the theater, this time with George, Battler, and Jessica. Shannon's also there and they chat. Seems to be the beach scene from ep1. Shannon starts blushing; probably engagement-related? Claire is angry again.

Faceless narrator outside the mansion at sunset. Long monologue. Glass breaks and Claire appears in a black screen. Brief words then a chapter break.

[Disz]

Originally Posted by renall

piano remix of far.

?!!!!!!!?!?


Yes.

yeeeees.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeees!

[Renall]

Spoiler for Will is pissed, SURPRISE:

Now it's raining outside the chapel; it metafies and Will is back. Leon and Bern are also here, but so is Claire. Claire's calm again and apparently a little sad. Leon is bothered, Will is upset. We go into the sixth story in Claire's book.

Adults arguing in the parlor. Kumasawa and Genji are in the kitchen, probably with the narrator. Eventually back to the meta-garden with Claire, Shannon, and Gaap. Claire is animated and happy again. They appear to be teasing Shannon.

"ONE YEAR LATER" and it's 1981. So I guess all of that was in 1980. The mothers are chatting, then all the adults. Jessica, Shannon, and George are outside. More Meta-Garden. I guess Claire is really grilling Shannon over her past, but she's taking it in stride.

Will and Leon again. Will's mad at Claire, again. Story #7 time.

It's 1982. Servants are messing with Jessica. Shannon is embarassed. Kyrie comes to the island along with Hideyoshi and Eva and George.

Back at Fukuin(?), long monologues. One year later and it's 1983. Rudolf and Kyrie arrive, as do Rosa, George, and Eva and Hideyoshi, who seem happy to see Shannon. Kyrie chats with George and Jessica on the way to the house. Monologue of unseen servant again, then the meta-chapel where Will is... wait for it... pissed. More chats with Will and Claire (not much of Bern) and then back to the story. Lots of red flashes and a black and white shot of Kyrie and George on the beach. Shannon is upset.

Meta-garden. A very weird vocal track with what sounds like a half-vocaloid, half-male singer. Claire is again upset. Flashes of the suit-beato portrait.

Chapter break, ONE YEAR LATER, and it's 1984. Portrait still not up, but it looks like it's being put up right now as Genji, Krauss, and Natsuhi are there and the portrait appears. Kinzo seems to be playing it cool. Will and Leon muse on this.

Story #8. Night in the mansion. Weird jazzy piano tune, Elder Beato appears at the portrait. All the servants are elsewhere doing something or other, including Kanon and Shannon together (not sure who, if anyone, is narrating). Eva questions Genji about the portrait. Back in Tokyo, Rudolf and Kyrie talk at a restaurant. Rosa and Maria are at their home.

Cut to Kinzo in his study. Kinzo and Genji are remembering Original Beatrice and her amazing submarine. Kinzo appears to be sad to not have such a bitchin' submarine anymore or something. He cries like a little bitch.

Some kind of awesome synth-harpsichord track as we return to Will and Leon. Claire returns to the theater. Cut away to the meta-garden where we now have MARIA, Elder Beato, and Gaap. Ronove finally gets his ass in gear and shows up. Gaap bugs Virgilia. Sakutaro's also around. Sakutaro gets teased by MARIA and apparently whapped by Beatrice so he falls down. I see the characters of Maria's name a lot in this as it skims by.

Elder Beato suddenly gets sad. Cut back to reality, now Elder Beato and Maria are in the arbor at the real-world rose garden. Beatrice seems to be talking with Maria seriously. Elder Beato goes back to the portrait and disappears just in time for Genji, Kanon, and Shannon to show up. Genji seems to be telling them about Kinzo's past. Elder Beato appears, then warps to Kinzo's library. She finds a book and cackles. Spends a long time looking through the books, then back to meta-chapel.

Leon and Will discuss things with Claire, Bern appears to say a bit but seems to stay out of it.

Will has apparently just solved the epitaph. Well, somebody has. We see the characters of "Qilian" then QILIAN in English. Claire and Leon are quite surprised for whatever reason. Bern talks to Will about it. QUADRILLION is explained, then the removal of QILIAN to get LORDU. As the chapter breaks, Bern turns to look at the reader...

[Kitsu]

Can someone help me understand a certain passage?

Spoiler for Episode 7:

Will wants to chat up Kanon and Shannon at the same time...Shannon refuses to call Kanon and whaaaaaaaaat?! I don't really get what is happening now.

[Renall]

Spoiler for It's raining a lot on Rokkenjima, also here's how to solve the epitaph:

Story #9. It's raining outside the chapel. QUADRILLION is mentioned. Elder Beato is outside. Reflects on Genji's words. She appears to be physically killing the letters Q I L I A and N by either removing them from the spot they appear or shifting them around. She gets to the last five letters and is stumped until she moves them around to create LORDU. She then kills L O R D U in order; something opens. She's unable to see anything, then something gets her attention and she trollfaces and follows a hidden path into the woods.

Meta-Chapel. Leon is shocked. Elder Beato finds the gold. Genji is there(!!!).

They return to the mansion. Elder Beato is now Dress Beato. Kumasawa appears and they knock on Kinzo's door. Nanjo and Kinzo are inside. He cries like a little bitch, because even resurrecting Beatrice can't bring back her submarine. Shit goes down, but Kinzo is mad. He cries again, then goes Crazy Goldsmith Face. I think he's cackling.

Back at the gold. Nanjo and Kumasawa are there too, probably brought by Beato. So that makes three people who have actually been there without solving it if this isn't all a load of bunk. The date is 11/29.

Claire fades at the theater to thunderous applause.

Back at the meta-chapel, Bern and Claire seem satisfied. Will is not. Leon seems just confused. Something about 1986 and a piano track. 10/4/1986 comes up again. Leon and Claire talk again. Will faces off with Claire. Somebody pulls a white and black sword.

I think Will and Claire are fighting. New music track again. Neither seems to be doing much to the other. They're debating, but there is no red or blue exchanged, hence the white sword strikes. This is a straight-up debate or something, no guarantees of anything and no assurances of truth.

Somebody (Will?) lands a blow, sad music and particle sparkles all over the screen. Leon is sad. Bern doesn't give a shit. Claire clashes with Will again and we're... back at the theater?

Claire again seems to take a bow or whatever with applause. Gold butterflies.

We're back at the chapel, but this time it's the "real" one. Leon and Will are here... but so is Bern. They discuss the stories again, then apparently Will leaves as Thanks For All People plays. Leon stays with Bern. Bern vanishes, and Natsuhi enters with Hideyoshi. Leon seems sweet on his mother. All the other adults are here as well. Gohda and Kinzo come in. Kinzo smirks and they leave.

And that's it. That's the end of ep7. Well, the non-Tea Party part.