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2011-02-12, 20:33 | Link #123 |
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I think that, for Homura to be potrayed as outright evil would not be in keeping with how everyone else in the show has been shown.
If she's going to be "evil" in some way, I see two routes. One, she wants to deal with a Problem, but her Solution will have people denoucing her as "evil." Two, all she wants is something very dear to herself alone. Yet, how she goes about it will have a positive effect on others. Then they show she's willing to let the world burn after getting what she wants. |
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I think there is a high possibility that Homura became an antagonist or even the big bad. But, even if they go to this route I believe she's going to be sympathetic or at least not outright "evil". There are too many good deeds that Homura has committed without any gain for her to be branded as pure evil. At worse, I think she's going to be the "end justifies the means person" or a fallen hero. Besides, from the meta standpoint this will actually be more heartbreaking since it is easier to defeat someone who you believe has no sympathetic qualities.
Episode 6 actually makes me very fearful for Homura's life. She's doing too much saving the cast lately. Sayaka got saved twice by Homura on this episode alone. Btw, anyone want to help with something? I was rewatching episode 6 and picked a different sub version. And we'll there is a particular scene - the one where Kyoko and Sayaka is going to fight again where the two group subbing have very different interpretation of the scene. I would like to know which is more correct... First version Kyoko: Annoying people, attract annoying friends! Homura: Are you saying something about me? Homura: We discussed this. You’re not supposed to do anything. Kyoko: You’re plan’s too slow! Kyoko: Beside’s we’re all ready to fight. Homura: Then I’ll fight her. Stay put this time. Kyoko: Fine. You’ve got until I’m done eating. Homura: That’s enough. Sayaka: Are you making fun of me! Second version Kyoko: Birds of the feather bug me together, huh. Homura : Then, what would that make your friends? Homura : This isn’t what we agreed upon I told you to not to lay a finger on Sayaka Miki. Kyoko : You’re too damn lax. Kyoko: Plus it doesn’t matter . She’s after me too. Homura: Then, I’ll take you on. Homura: I won’t hold back. Kyoko: Fine, as soon as I’m done eating. Homura: Very well. Sayaka: Hey, I’m right here you know! As you can see, the subs of both group carries very different connotation regarding Homura and Kyoko's agreement and their current relationship. This would also help make clear what Homura is planning to do with the Kyoko-Sayaka rivalry.
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About the subbed version: Go with MahouShoujo+yesy here. They got all scenes right. gg was completely off, they turned Homura into a scheming hitman rather than the broker for peace, and Nutbladder was mostly right, but messed up the bridge scene by believing that Homura was threatening Kyoko, where she rather wanted to fight Sayaka instead of her (to knock her out without harm, instead of Kyoko who clearly had a killing intent). |
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2011-02-13, 23:18 | Link #130 | |
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So both version have inaccuracies? I thought that version 1 seemed to make Homura too friendly with Kyoko from the beginning since when Kyoko commented about annoying friends Homura pops in and deadpans if Kyoko is talking about her. There seemed to be a secret joke going between those two in version 1.
Version 2, on the other hand, is the one that I wished to right since Homura is very protective of Sayaka. On the other hand, version 1 is more badass with Homura stating she can beat Sayaka at the time where Kyoko will eat the small stick of pockey meaning she'll take Sayaka out of commission in a few seconds. Which looking at what happened in the beginning of the episode is probably true. Quote:
I wonder what method Homura have decided that is inefficient. At worse, it could be waiting for Sayaka to get offed due to her inexperience but, after the end of episode I discarded this theory. I know some posters have said that Homura only saved Sayaka because Madoka is watching or that she planned Mami's death. In Homura's defense about intentionally planning to kill a cast to stop Madoka from being an MG Homura if she wants Sayaka to die so that Madoka would not be drawn into being an MG. This is the chance she was waiting for. Madoka herself caused Sayaka's death and its due to (depending on your pov) horrific detail of being a magical girl which is having your soul ripped and put into a fragile gem that when separated from your body will cause a sort of coma. (technically you are biologically dead but since MG can be revived - its more like a coma ) A detail that Kyuubey understandably did not tell. Madoka will not in anyway connect this to Homura and will most likely drive the MG out of her mind - out of guilt and fear. Since, if Sayaka died right there and then Homura's words will have greater effect - magical girls are dead man walking and there is nothing but pain and sorrow there. In Madoka's perspective, Sayaka and Mami both girls that became magical girls got bad ends that are not worthy of them and the other magical girls Homura - does not enjoy the job and Kyoko, not a nice person by any stretch of imagination. But, the chance passed, Homura herself runned after (if you believe in time manipulation ) or used blink teleportation in order to get Sayaka's gem and personally returned it to safety. What does this means? I'm 90% sure( at this moment barring huge character change or plot twist ) that whatever method Homura planned to do with Sayaka will not lead to her death or making her quietly disappear out of Madoka's sight. If Sayaka and Kyoko will confront each other, Homura will most likely interrupt it and take out Sayaka. Which is logical, Sayaka being a newbie might be easier to take out than Kyoko and Sayaka kinda hates Homura right now. Nothing Homura does will make Sayaka's opinion of Homura darker. Another corollary of this episode, even if you did not believe on episode 3 about her facial expression on Mami's death and her intention of facing the witch herself and thus preventing Mami's death. This episode for me sunked the theory. The reason why Homura might want Mami's death is for Madoka to not be an MG. If she does not allow Sayaka someone she believes does not have "good qualities" for being an MG and inexperienced to boot die on such a "fortunate" chance, its highly probable that she does would also prevent Mami's death esp. if it is possible to implicate the death on her like Sayaka is doing. Conclusion, whatever persuasion Homura might use to convince Madoka of stopping to be an MG she will not intentionally engineer death of Madoka's loved ones to do it and may/will prevent it from happening even if it will hinder her chance of convincing Madoka. P.S. To those who believe that Homura have future knowledge and might be playing along since she knows Mami will refuse her offer or she believes that Madoka will be traumatized more by what she had done if Sayaka lives since it will be a living monument of her mistake. This is still possible . Just very unlikely at this point of time... or really really unlikely in my opinion. If we just look at Homura's facial expression we can see some of her intentions and Homura is clearly shocked by Mami's death and angry by it. She is similarly shocked by Madoka throwing Sayaka's soul gem and did not expect it to happen. And yes, I believe that facial expression cannot be faked especially since Homura's facial expression happens when she is alone or where the cast cannot see it. The only reason we can see it all Homura's facial expression is because the camera emphasize it and we can rewind and freeze the frame. Unless, you believe that Homura is acting even when she is alone ... Disclaimer: This is just to show that Homura planning to kill any of Madoka's loved one to prevent her to became an MG highly improbable. But, it does not preclude Homura having any ambiguous intention or being an antagonist.
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^To be fair, it just says they're the Archer class and that they have the option to use a bow. In that sense they're still both similar because both don't even use bows (that much). So if you call Homura a bomber, that makes F/SN Archer a twin swordsman.
Considering the barrier and its functions are magic based, I didn't mention it because I don't see how either of the 3 mentioned abilities could explain it. Personally I'd say Homura's magic was strong enough to outdo / weaken the barrier so she could pass by.
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Though since it might still be something that we simply can't understand unless someone confirmed our wild guesses, what about the scene right after that? Where we see Homura walk while the water drops still fall, and in the next moment she comes from above.
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