Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Light Novel Discussion

[Jord]

Not exactly stealing his first kiss, but that happened after they rescued horizon from KPA Italia's execution.

[charasu]

I dont remember any kissing scane in that part both anime and ln...
Hmmm gonna re-read again to check it ・_・

[RED IV]

Where can I find pictures of the future kids?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Every volume since like....IV.

[Jord]

Spoiler for Ch35-40:

Chapters 35-40:
Horizon and Toori leave the time-compressed space and Horizon gives Asama and Nate a report on what happened inside (and shows them the Horizon POV video she took of it), embarrassing Toori.
There is a short time skip to Musashi arriving at Westphalia and their arrival causes a few different commotions.
The Testament Union (essentially led by Innocentius, but Olimpia makes sure he knows she still technically leads it and can take control from him at any time) had hoped to separate Hashiba from Musashi during Westphalia, but Musashi gets around this by joining Hashiba instead of having Hashiba join them. (Hence the M.H.R.R. uniforms on that color page.)
Masazumi says she wants to have Westphalia double as the Osaka Campaign, but Suleiman says that won't work since the Osaka Campaign is Hashiba vs. Matsudaira and Musashi (i.e. Matsudaira) has just joined Hashiba. Masazumi solves this by having all the other nations provisionally inherit Matsudaira names, thus creating a Musashi vs. the world scenario.
Elizabeth speaks with Kiyomasa and approves of her.
They move on to the Peace of Münster, which will be negotiated between Juana and William II (son of the Prince of Orange who was disappeared), but Juana's nudist trauma kicks in and she can't continue.
Ookubo takes over for Juana, which is allowed because Musashi is currently Catholic and thus a Tres Espana ally and because they promised to help Tres Espana during their meeting at Kyoto.

So the first time, everyone listened to what happened between Asama-Nate and Toori but now they have a video, holy shit Horizon

[devilo96]

new summary is up in 4chan

[Jord]

Spoiler for New summary:

11-B Chapters 43-48:
Axel Oxenstierna comes out for the Treaty of Osnabrück. She is stuck inside a god of war after having half her head blown off in battle. This means she still looks like a girl despite being in her forties, plus she is unable to understand complex ideas.
Masazumi uses her elementary school teaching skills to convince Axel to side with Musashi, but Matthias takes issue with that.
Matthias sets things up so Axel has to duel someone from Musashi, but Christina volunteers to fight Axel in Musashi's place.
Christina defeats Axel.
They take a break for lunch and Masazumi gets into more detail about the plan for settling the outside world.
This whole time, Matthias has been reading his lines off of a script given to him by someone. That someone is finally revealed to be Galileo. During the attack on K.P.A. Italia, Galileo used his spell to fling Innocentius away to safety and Galileo survived because demons are tough. Innocentius has not actually seen Galileo since then, but he knew Galileo was working on the inside to take control of K.P.A. Italia back from M.H.R.R. while Innocentius was doing the same from the outside.
When they move on to the Treaty of Münster, Matthias demands that Mitsunari be the negotiator instead of Masazumi.
Mitsunari is initially afraid of Terumoto, but she manages to come up with a trade deal that will benefit pretty much all of Europe.

[Cosmic Eagle]

作中では最強キャラですが、なんせ気分屋なので前もって戦術に組むことが出来ません。トーリがそういうこと を頼むというのは、二人の関係としてはおかしいので、よって喜美は自由。彼女はそんな役なので、逆に他の人 員は、最強であるかどうかよりも、自分の個性を特化していく傾向にあり、それが各々の強さになっていく節も あります

From the back cover of 11B. Interesting how Kawakami essentially portrays Kimi as completely OP but too mercurial to be relied on all the time. Really gives her the air of being the actual teacher in Musashi instead of her kid Oriotorai. Wonder what role she'll play at the end in light of this

[charasu]

Wew, noriki conclusion fight
It sad that super op spell ujinao limited only@_@

[Jord]

6-C finished. That was an amazing volume, since volume 3 and the sacrifice of so many people like Anne, many characters were holding an inmense amount of feelings and not only them but their nations too.

Ujinao facing the destruction of her nation and facing the person she loved the most while finally dealing with the past, Hexagone Francaise and XIV striking back after losing one of the most beloved characters after Magdeburg, Toori and the group dealing with their feelings, especially Asama who was able to finally take down that veil and at the end one of the most bittersweet deaths, Kakei.

Now The Kantou Liberation is coming on V7.

[Jord]

Spoiler for Ch 49-53:

Matthias argues that Mitsunari (as Hashiba) should pay a large fine for the economic losses to M.H.R.R. due to Hashiba's actions.
Mitsunari tries to argue her way out of it, but eventually needs some help from Takenaka.
Takenaka goes full High Damage, High Return by showing that Musashi could actually militarily overthrow the Holy Roman Emperor and the Pope and place their own people in those positions instead.
That threat is enough for Matthias to back off, but Takenaka still has Olimpia step down as Pope.
Innocentius retakes his position as Pope and Rudolf II shows up and retakes her position as emperor.
Rudolf II declares that M.H.R.R. will side with Musashi.
The Peace of Westphalia moves on to the Mikawa issue which means Masazumi vs. Innocentius.
Masazumi recounts the history of the Speers (to provide the proper context for Mikawa) and then everything Musashi has done since Mikawa (to provide the proper context for Westphalia).
With that complete, they are ready to begin the actual negotiation.
Masazumi says Musashi will "rule the world" by acting as an independent group that intervenes in the history recreation if anyone will be lost. They will essentially act as a large-scale and publicly-known Testament Cross-Borders Unit that "judges" the history recreation as referees, giving new meaning to their usage of "judge".
Innocentius accuses Musashi of placing an even greater burden on the other nations by requiring a history recreation devoid of loss and says they are destroying the world's order.
Masazumi says they are instead creating a new world order.
Innocentius points out that the world nations do not have enough people to run their Far Eastern land and also settle the outside world.
Masazumi's solution is to send all of those nations' personnel to the outside world and let the Far Eastern reservations under their provisional rule run the Far Eastern land for them. Or, if they would prefer, they can stay in the Far East and have the reservation's people settle the outside world.
Innocentius accuses her of trying to end the provisional rule of the Far East.
Masazumi's response is essentially "well, yeah". She points out that the Harmonic Divine States were created specifically to give the world nations and Far East separate land, so that is how things are meant to be.
Innocentius claims Musashi's plan for assisting with the settlement of the outside world is infeasible because the shorter route across Asia will be too dangerous for frequent trips with so much land there unsettled.
Masazumi calls in Yoshitsune (Kasuya had noticed she was at Westphalia) who says she'll be setting up an empire for herself across China and India, so it won't be unsettled after all.
Innocentius points out that all of Musashi's long term plans are questionable because their leaders have to retire when they reach 18.
Masazumi, knowing this will be highly controversial, suggests they remove the Far East's age limit.

About damn time, finally Musashi is using their power to bring a new world order that put an end to all the countless sacrifices and open a new path for everyone, even reaching the point of using the land outside Japan allowing everyone to reclaim their original land. Now all that's left is what are they going to do with the apocalypse.

[charasu]

Spoiler for :

Chapters 54-End:
Innocentius refuses to remove the age limit.
After more discussion, Innocentius concludes the two of them can never see eye to eye.
Masazumi says he is the past and Musashi is the future, making them parallel. And the border line where the past and future meet is the present, so they should work together in the present even if they can never agree.
Innocentius says the Far East can never be given any power because they are to blame for the Harmonic Unification War.
Masazumi reveals that the Harmonic Unification War was actually when Destiny tried to commit suicide using the Imperial Regalia used to control her, so a Testament Cross-Borders Unit had to take them away. But Destiny still managed to injure herself before they were taken away, which is what caused the thinning out of the ley lines that will ultimately lead to the Apocalypse. She knows this due to a first-hand account that can be told now that those who talk about it will no longer be Princess Disappeared.
Masazumi calls in Las Casas who lets Juana I speak via sign frame. She was the sole survivor who managed to get away with the Imperial Regalia and Las Casas gives the Regalia to Musashi.
Since the Harmonic Unification War was not caused by the Far East alone, Masazumi says the Far East should not be further punished for it.
Masazumi calls in Naomasa and Hachisuka who reveal that the Four Sacred Beast gods of war can be linked together to create an Avalon-like space which is outside of Destiny's influence, so they will use that space while fighting against Destiny.
Horizon shows off an update to her Logismoi Oplo. The Logismoi Oplo were originally just deadly sin weapons. Hashiba's versions are weapons of judging the deadly sins. Horizon's new versions are weapons of forgiving the deadly sins.
Since the rest of the world has accepted Musashi, Innocentius accepts them as well but he's not exactly happy about it.
He agrees to mostly remove the provisional rule of the Far East and to raise the age limit to 35. (He initially said 30, but Christina asked him to raise it further so she could still be in school when Tadaoki reaches high school.)
As the Peace of Westphalia ends, Mitsunari sees Nobunaga arrive as a vessel for Destiny, but everyone is too busy celebrating to notice and Mitsunari is too shy to speak up and tell everyone.

That's very thirsty /ss/ right there
And that end last vol next year huh @_@

Also, now thereis 2 hachisuka huh, inside suzaku(chopped limb)
And loli one. @_@

[devilo96]

Originally Posted by charasu

Spoiler for :

Chapters 54-End:
Innocentius refuses to remove the age limit.
After more discussion, Innocentius concludes the two of them can never see eye to eye.
Masazumi says he is the past and Musashi is the future, making them parallel. And the border line where the past and future meet is the present, so they should work together in the present even if they can never agree.
Innocentius says the Far East can never be given any power because they are to blame for the Harmonic Unification War.
Masazumi reveals that the Harmonic Unification War was actually when Destiny tried to commit suicide using the Imperial Regalia used to control her, so a Testament Cross-Borders Unit had to take them away. But Destiny still managed to injure herself before they were taken away, which is what caused the thinning out of the ley lines that will ultimately lead to the Apocalypse. She knows this due to a first-hand account that can be told now that those who talk about it will no longer be Princess Disappeared.
Masazumi calls in Las Casas who lets Juana I speak via sign frame. She was the sole survivor who managed to get away with the Imperial Regalia and Las Casas gives the Regalia to Musashi.
Since the Harmonic Unification War was not caused by the Far East alone, Masazumi says the Far East should not be further punished for it.
Masazumi calls in Naomasa and Hachisuka who reveal that the Four Sacred Beast gods of war can be linked together to create an Avalon-like space which is outside of Destiny's influence, so they will use that space while fighting against Destiny.
Horizon shows off an update to her Logismoi Oplo. The Logismoi Oplo were originally just deadly sin weapons. Hashiba's versions are weapons of judging the deadly sins. Horizon's new versions are weapons of forgiving the deadly sins.
Since the rest of the world has accepted Musashi, Innocentius accepts them as well but he's not exactly happy about it.
He agrees to mostly remove the provisional rule of the Far East and to raise the age limit to 35. (He initially said 30, but Christina asked him to raise it further so she could still be in school when Tadaoki reaches high school.)
As the Peace of Westphalia ends, Mitsunari sees Nobunaga arrive as a vessel for Destiny, but everyone is too busy celebrating to notice and Mitsunari is too shy to speak up and tell everyone.

That's very thirsty /ss/ right there
And that end last vol next year huh @_@

Also, now thereis 2 hachisuka huh, inside suzaku(chopped limb)
And loli one. @_@

Regalia what is that? A new weapon like deadly sin weapon?

[Jord]

No, is not a weapon or anything like that. Is an artifact that was mentioned on the first volumes but never explained what was it's purpose until later, also if you read again that sentence, it explains what it is right in the summary lol.

[Jord]

Volume 11-C coming out on December, this should be the ending of Horizon unless Kawakami give us a surprise.

[devilo96]

Originally Posted by Jord

Volume 11-C coming out on December, this should be the ending of Horizon unless Kawakami give us a surprise.

so kawaki already said next vol is the last in 11b afterword ?
i just hope the series can still continue until 11D or E lol

[EvI]

Just saw the spoilers in 4chan and can someone spoil me if the girls in Spears are all lesbians? D:

Is Hirano in love with Katagari or Kasuya? From what i saw in the translated chapters she quite stalks Katagari with his pulse or something so it can be a joke but there is a illust where she is blushing hard so...

[Jord]

LoL what?

I don't know what are you reading because the "spoilers" are in fact the summaries made by Js06 and they are very accurate. Only Kiyomasa and Fukushima are a couple, so no.

[EvI]

Originally Posted by Jord

LoL what?

I don't know what are you reading because the "spoilers" are in fact the summaries made by Js06 and they are very accurate. Only Kiyomasa and Fukushima are a couple, so no.

in the wiki it says the sisters techno-whatever are "yuri" so yeah... don't know after hex-whatever novel of this author it was quite clear the author has quite a yuri fetish Kiyomasa and Fukushima getting together just didn't sit well with me even tho i enjoy Nargot and Naruze pair i felt the author basically pushing the yuri in our faces...

and Hirano is my fav from the spears so...

[Jord]

Originally Posted by EvI

in the wiki it says the sisters techno-whatever are "yuri" so yeah... don't know after hex-whatever novel of this author it was quite clear the author has quite a yuri fetish Kiyomasa and Fukushima getting together just didn't sit well with me even tho i enjoy Nargot and Naruze pair i felt the author basically pushing the yuri in our faces...

and Hirano is my fav from the spears so...

Again, stop assuming things based on a half-assed information and poor knowledge about the light novel. Kawakami isn't pushing yuri here at all, in fact from all the 80+ characters you have here only 3 lesbian couples are confirmed.

The wiki was never a decent source of information and it'll never be, especially when whoever is editing that is basically adding information that is not entirely accurate.