2009-09-24, 11:13 | Link #4081 | |
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FOCUS: Japan seeking to tweak relationship with U.S., but way ahead unclear
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However, even though this is done in goodwill and a positive light, lots of people may not see it as such. China and Korea may not fully cooperate as that a spate of issues remain unresolved while the current relationship with the United States may become strained if disagreements are to continue rising. |
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2009-09-24, 14:12 | Link #4082 |
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I get it.
People want to use a massive amount of bandwidth to either download a movie or talk over voIP, but not pay any extra for it, outside of the fee from the provider of that service (not to be confused with the provider of the service they expect to get the extra bandwidth from, aka their ISP). The people providing those services want to provide them at low cost despite the fact that they are bandwidth hogs, so they don't want to pay for the extra bandwidth either. You want the ISP's to provide this massive amount of extra bandwidth at no extra cost, and you want the government to force them to. You do not care that those people who do not use voice IP or download movies do not want to pay for those services they never use, but will be forced to when the ISP is forced to pay for bandwidth provide them. Say in an area of 500K people, 30K decide they want voice IP, and 50K decide they want to download 6 movies a week. Suppose that, due to infrastructure, available bandwidth in that area is not up to the extra load. Service for everyone suffers. So, 320K people suffer reduced service quality for the desires of 80K people, or the ISP's pay to increase the capacity through improved infrastructure, who pays for this? The ISP, in reduced profit? The 400K in increased prices? The 80K in increased prices? You can bet your ass that if you let the FCC get deeper involved, they'll start looking at a lot more than bandwidth use. Is that what you people really want? Increased regulations by their very nature bring increased costs and increased monitoring. I'll pass, thanks. |
2009-09-24, 17:45 | Link #4083 | |
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What I don't want to see is ISPs being able to discriminate between IP packets based on the content they contain or based on the protocols employed. ISPs should not be permitted to "open the envelope and read the letter inside" before deciding how a packet should be routed or priced. Neither the Postal Service nor Federal Express can charge more for an envelope that contains a $10 million business contract than they do for one containing a letter to grandma. ISPs shouldn't be able to do that, either. (The technologies to do just this exist already in devices that perform so-called "deep packet inspection".) Postal services charge more for faster delivery; I'm all in favor of Internet pricing that follows the same model. In case you hadn't noticed, support for "net neutrality" comes not just from liberal organizations like MoveOn.org but from conservative organizations like the Christian Coalition as well. They both see giving ISPs the right to discriminate based on content or protocols as having the potential to distort or suppress freedom of speech though industrial policies. As for letting the FCC get "deeper involved," they're already involved and have been for decades. Read the articles I cited before about the development of policies concerning the convergence of computing and telecommunications then come back and talk about what the FCC should be doing.
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2009-09-24, 18:37 | Link #4085 |
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The price an ISP charges is up to the ISP, and it should be up to them, and not the government. If this crap passes, and they tax your Internet usage say, $5, and they tax the ISP say, $5, to cover the cost of the program, so your Internet bill goes up $10, is that okay?
This shit is so completely fucking trivial to begin with! Voice IP and "downloading movies instantly" are an absolute luxuries, there is no need or requirement! And yet there are screams to spend more tax dollars on "net neutrality" Of all the problems we have in this country, with all of the money wasted, we have people worried about paying extra for absolute luxuries. Our borders are porous, illegal aliens clog our health care system, our court system, and drive down our wage scale. Three quarters of a trillion dollars was pissed away on a BS stimulus package, and we're looking at trillions of dollars of debt and waste on "health care reform". The POTUS is pissing on allies and sucking off enemies, costing us the respect of both. And freaking "net neutrality" to keep the cost of bootleg movies and voice IP down is a priority? If anyone wonders how we got into the shit we're in, that's a perfect fucking example. What a joke. God damned nanny state bullshit if there ever was. |
2009-09-24, 18:44 | Link #4086 |
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Census worker found hanged with "FED" on body. I don't know quite what to make of this.
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2009-09-24, 19:20 | Link #4087 | |||
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In short, net neutrality in 21st century equals the "FREE PRESS" in 20th. Controlling the flow of information certain ways means power to few and suppression of free thought for many (think of China). There's a reason for a First Amendment. |
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2009-09-24, 20:44 | Link #4088 |
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Umm... how about no? The whole point to net neutrality is to prevent businesses from doing exactly what you're discribing there. The regulation would prevent businesses from prioritizing certain types of data, like say streaming from their own online video service, over others, like say streaming video over crunchyroll or hulu. They would still be able to charge people for faster connections and greater bandwidth, but they would not be able to charge people more based on what they do with that bandwidth or slow down certain types of data traffic. Even if what you said there was true though, why do you not trust the government with something yet trust businesses with it, when these same buusinesses have shown willingness to do anything and everything they can to exploit the consumer. It boggles the mind.
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2009-09-24, 21:07 | Link #4089 |
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Besides, the most "powerful" governments still cannot do one thing without their citizens' consent: collect taxes. All the force in the world cannot force a citizen to pay up if he does not do it willingly.
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2009-09-24, 23:09 | Link #4090 |
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I say lets give him to Slashdot or the SANS network security community ... the techies there would shred the illogic and just flat incorrect understandings to dust. Just amazingly jaw-dropping. I've been involved deeply with the Internet since the late 80s (via NASA then) and the recent corporatist misuse and abuse by players like Comcast has been the biggest *actual* threat to the Internet system since its inception.
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2009-09-24, 23:13 | Link #4091 | |
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Let's not feed the troll, all? If the thread gets too out of control, the mods will close it down to let tempers cool; either that, or chop posts out.
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2009-09-25, 00:15 | Link #4092 | |
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2009-09-25, 00:44 | Link #4093 | |
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That said.... the anti-census moonbats are sinking their own boats if they don't participate --- no participation means you don't get counted for determining Congressional Representatives and districting.
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2009-09-25, 09:40 | Link #4094 |
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Iran reveals it has second nuclear enrichment plant
Apparently the US and French intelligence knew of it's existance for months. After Iran realised this, they fessed up rather be outed on later on by the West. Last edited by killer3000ad; 2009-09-25 at 09:58. |
2009-09-25, 13:06 | Link #4096 |
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What LynnieS said. Let's not entertain posts too far out there. Educating is a self-inflicting task after all. .....so let's get back to the news.
If anyone believes the topic deserves its own thread, let me know. I also seem to remember there are other threads that covered this topic quite a few times.
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2009-09-25, 21:48 | Link #4097 | |
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Japan not to simply extend refueling mission in Jan.: Hatoyama
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2009-09-25, 23:19 | Link #4099 | |
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The reason why US keeps an airbase in Okinawa and not another part of Japan is for strategic purposes. Being cut off from the mainland means the airbase would be subjected to a less likely possibility of land invasion, and with sufficient anti-air and anti-ship defence, it is already considered well defended. Another thing is that it is both near to South Korea and Taiwan, allowing a force to be effectively projected into Taiwan or South Korea in an event of invasion from NK or China. Lastly, the noise pollution from the aircraft would be "isolated" from the general population. Hatoyama wants Japan to recover from the decade-long recession, but he also needs to realise the strategic importance of Japan in East Asia, militarily. The world isn't just run by money.
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I'm also hoping that the continuing of the refueling mission won't end in failure. There are so many complexities here that its so hard for us to understand if its truly right or wrong. Quote:
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