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Smeckledorf · 2010-02-02, 03:08

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Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

My notes have Eva leaving the library at 9:37 and arriving at the gold at 10:00. 2 km in ~20 min == 6 km / hr == 3.7 mi/hr. That's walking speed.

I don't know about that, back in high school I had to power walk a mile and 10-12 minutes was pretty good time, so I think 5mi/hr is technically power walking. My point being I think Eva would be more careful trying to slink around and pay close attention to every turn or movement she had to make to reach her destination.
I also doubt that the gold is at Kuwadorian.

Raiza Sunozaki · 2010-02-02, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Smeckledorf

I don't know about that, back in high school I had to power walk a mile and 10-12 minutes was pretty good time, so I think 5mi/hr is technically power walking. My point being I think Eva would be more careful trying to slink around and pay close attention to every turn or movement she had to make to reach her destination.
I also doubt that the gold is at Kuwadorian.

But she was also fairly confident about her solution to the epitaph, so she might've been a little eager to find it.
Think about it. You're on the verge of finding 20 billion yen worth of gold. How many people would be able to keep a calm sense about them with that amount of money so close to them?

Let's see here... I can't remember the specific conversion, but I think it's about 1.2 km to a mile... so in about twenty minutes, she could cover maybe 1.2-1.6 km if she was hurrying, less if she wasn't. So unless Ryukishi is ignoring the laws of physics, there's no way she could reach the Kuwadorian.

Just a random thought. What if the underground pathway to the Kuwadorian had a divergence in it, and that led to the gold? Because in Episode 4, Goldsmith says solving the epitaph is forbidden, and the well is completely sealed off.

Kakera of Fate · 2010-02-05, 00:02

Just throwing this out here; I know we might've gone over it in the past, but what about the chapel?

These last points fit it... it doesn't seem so far that Eva couldn't reach it fast, it has this whole Quadrillion thing about it and everything. I don't know, I haven't made much of a theory yet but I'm working on that side... And I can't understand japanese so chapel for me is 6 characters and even if it's a red herring I'd follow it for a bit just for kicks. I'm also believing that EP2 has some hints too, first twilight took place in the very same chapel. On the table there was a jack-o-lantern... with a little part of the gold inside of it. It might look too simple, but I'm trying to dumb it down as much as I can, after all, it's a childish riddle... isn't it?

The gold could had come from anywhere, but it's just a feeling I got about the chapel.

TheWatcher · 2010-02-05, 04:16

the chapel was brought up before. but

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These last points fit it... it doesn't seem so far that Eva couldn't reach it fast, it has this whole Quadrillion thing about it and everything. I don't know, I haven't made much of a theory yet but I'm working on that side... And I can't understand japanese so chapel for me is 6 characters and even if it's a red herring I'd follow it for a bit just for kicks. I'm also believing that EP2 has some hints too, first twilight took place in the very same chapel. On the table there was a jack-o-lantern... with a little part of the gold inside of it. It might look too simple, but I'm trying to dumb it down as much as I can, after all, it's a childish riddle... isn't it?

Spoiler for EP1:

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-05, 04:26

I think Ryukishi made it so there were 3 ingots in the chapel to made it clear that they were from the mountain of gold. If it was just one you could say it's Krauss' ingot, but there's three of them.

According to what we know and what Krauss said himself there is only one ingot that ever left the mountain of gold and that's the one that Kinzo gave to a Bank representative so he could analyze it and confirm its worth. That's the very same ingot that Krauss managed to get back.

Of course you could still say that there were other ingots around despite what everyone knows, but it was never said and it is easier to think they just come from the mountain of gold.

Dlanor A. Knox · 2010-02-12, 08:19

This is kinda random:
but why is there even a chapel at the island? and about Goldsmith saying that it is forbidden to solve the etitaph: why would he place the riddle where everybody can see it?
doesn't make real sense....
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I kinda missed this forum...YAY I'm back

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-12, 08:24

Eeeeh? When Kinzo said it's forbidden to solve the epitaph? XD

What Kinzo forbid was to go near to the chapel, but that was a lot of time before when the adults were still children.

As to why there is a chapel, well that's anyone's guess. It doesn't look like there is anyone who is christian among the Ushiromiya... Maybe the original Beatrice was? If she was italian that's a quite probable, but in that case the chapel should have been built near the kuwadorian.

Dlanor A. Knox · 2010-02-12, 08:27

Ah well you get my point right xD
kinda have to type quick since im in class so i mae mistakes...
and wouldnt Beato be more Katholiek (did i type it right?)

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-12, 09:16

Catholic, yeah... italians especially from the first years of 20th century were almost all catholic, but then again a woman claiming to be a witch wasn't probably a strict believer. And it is still a mere conjecture that Beatrice was italian.

matteas · 2010-02-12, 15:15

I suppose it's quite plausible that the chapel was built for the original Beatrice. As for the question why it wasn't built near Kuwadorian, chapel is a huge, huge building. It would be too high of a risk to build it somewhere by Kuwadorian, since it could be easily spotted from somewhere. For example from a passing plane, or even from a boat. It's much more prudent to build it near the mansion, so that everyone knows about it. That way, there's nothing hidden to be revealed. No risk for Kinzo, or maybe just a tiny bit of risk, incomparable with the aforementioned one.

goldenlove27 · 2010-02-13, 05:40

Okay I have little to no understanding of the Japanese language but I think I know what the 11/13 character word is. I may be wrong but it might start some ideas...

Spoiler for 11/13:

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-13, 08:15

Heh it's actually a viable option. It appears that the original japanese sentence can be also read as:

from "first twilight" lift up as a sacrifice the six chosen by the key.

of course it is actually "第一の晩" and it might be subjected to different translations. "first twilight" is 13 letters but so is "the first night". The problem with both of them is that it's quite hard to find a "name" using those characters.

matteas · 2010-02-13, 09:34

In case 第一の晩 was the starting phrase, "DAIICHI NO BAN" might work as well. It may look like 12 characters, but for example in my native language, it would be 11 characters, because we have a special character "CH" which stands between H and I in alphabet.

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-13, 11:05

Well in italian the "CH" sound in front of "i" and "e" is written just "C", so that would be "daiicinoban"

but you don't even need to look for strange languages, if you use the kunrei system you write it: "daiiti no ban"

matteas · 2010-02-13, 13:26

Oh, of course, kunrei shiki. It has completely slipped off my mind. So we could use "t" or "c" or possibly "ch". But "ch" is the least likely because the letter "ch" isn't pronounced as "tʃ" but as "kh", like in German "ich".

So, where would we get with "daiiti no ban"?

Solachinx · 2010-02-15, 13:53

So, how funny would it be if the fortune was hidden somewhere simple like behind the potrait or in Kinzo's Study? That'd be an epic troll IMO

ChibiBear · 2010-02-16, 05:21

But Ryukishi likes trolling right

TheWatcher · 2010-02-17, 02:30

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This is kinda random:
but why is there even a chapel at the island?

I think they said a monk built it before it Kinzo bought it.

It is highly unlikely for the gold to be behind to portrait as when Eva found it how would she get it down without getting it damaged. You can see later that it is not.

Also the Epitaph cannot be solved by people who don't know Japanese, even with translations. So no English

TheWatcher · 2010-02-17, 02:31

Also where is every1 getting EP5 i can't find it.

Jan-Poo · 2010-02-17, 04:57

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Originally Posted by TheWatcher

I think they said a monk built it before it Kinzo bought it.

It is highly unlikely for the gold to be behind to portrait as when Eva found it how would she get it down without getting it damaged. You can see later that it is not.

Also the Epitaph cannot be solved by people who don't know Japanese, even with translations. So no English

No no, the "torii" was built by a monk. that one is gone after supposedly being struck by a lightning. The chapel is another thing, 'though now that you mention it, it was never said when it was built.

And I wouldn't say "No english". Certainly it is very probable that there are some double entendre in the epitaph that can't reallly be translated, or that you need to have in mind the kanji to get to the solution.
But it's also quite probable that the initial sentence and the characters elimination is in english.

2010-02-05, 00:02	Link #323
Kakera of Fate Great Equalizer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In my very own Golden Land. Age: 33	Just throwing this out here; I know we might've gone over it in the past, but what about the chapel? These last points fit it... it doesn't seem so far that Eva couldn't reach it fast, it has this whole Quadrillion thing about it and everything. I don't know, I haven't made much of a theory yet but I'm working on that side... And I can't understand japanese so chapel for me is 6 characters and even if it's a red herring I'd follow it for a bit just for kicks. I'm also believing that EP2 has some hints too, first twilight took place in the very same chapel. On the table there was a jack-o-lantern... with a little part of the gold inside of it. It might look too simple, but I'm trying to dumb it down as much as I can, after all, it's a childish riddle... isn't it? The gold could had come from anywhere, but it's just a feeling I got about the chapel. __________________ When the seagulls cry Nobody is left alive A hopeless dawn.

2010-02-05, 04:26	Link #325
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	I think Ryukishi made it so there were 3 ingots in the chapel to made it clear that they were from the mountain of gold. If it was just one you could say it's Krauss' ingot, but there's three of them. According to what we know and what Krauss said himself there is only one ingot that ever left the mountain of gold and that's the one that Kinzo gave to a Bank representative so he could analyze it and confirm its worth. That's the very same ingot that Krauss managed to get back. Of course you could still say that there were other ingots around despite what everyone knows, but it was never said and it is easier to think they just come from the mountain of gold. __________________

2010-02-12, 08:24	Link #327
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Eeeeh? When Kinzo said it's forbidden to solve the epitaph? XD What Kinzo forbid was to go near to the chapel, but that was a lot of time before when the adults were still children. As to why there is a chapel, well that's anyone's guess. It doesn't look like there is anyone who is christian among the Ushiromiya... Maybe the original Beatrice was? If she was italian that's a quite probable, but in that case the chapel should have been built near the kuwadorian. __________________

2010-02-12, 09:16	Link #329
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Catholic, yeah... italians especially from the first years of 20th century were almost all catholic, but then again a woman claiming to be a witch wasn't probably a strict believer. And it is still a mere conjecture that Beatrice was italian. __________________

2010-02-13, 05:40	Link #331
goldenlove27 Tortured Pet Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In "Her" crime scenes Age: 32	Okay I have little to no understanding of the Japanese language but I think I know what the 11/13 character word is. I may be wrong but it might start some ideas... Spoiler for 11/13: Maybe it's 'First Twilight' in english. It seems to work well with the second twilight well but that's as far as I got. I will spend the whole day on this so if I find some stuff out then I will l continue to update.

2010-02-12, 08:19	Link #326
Dlanor A. Knox Crazy but OK xP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Netherlands Age: 31	This is kinda random: but why is there even a chapel at the island? and about Goldsmith saying that it is forbidden to solve the etitaph: why would he place the riddle where everybody can see it? doesn't make real sense.... .... ... I kinda missed this forum...YAY I'm back

2010-02-12, 08:27	Link #328
Dlanor A. Knox Crazy but OK xP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Netherlands Age: 31	Ah well you get my point right xD kinda have to type quick since im in class so i mae mistakes... and wouldnt Beato be more Katholiek (did i type it right?)

2010-02-12, 15:15	Link #330
matteas Member Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Czech Republic Age: 32	I suppose it's quite plausible that the chapel was built for the original Beatrice. As for the question why it wasn't built near Kuwadorian, chapel is a huge, huge building. It would be too high of a risk to build it somewhere by Kuwadorian, since it could be easily spotted from somewhere. For example from a passing plane, or even from a boat. It's much more prudent to build it near the mansion, so that everyone knows about it. That way, there's nothing hidden to be revealed. No risk for Kinzo, or maybe just a tiny bit of risk, incomparable with the aforementioned one.

2010-02-13, 08:15	Link #332
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Heh it's actually a viable option. It appears that the original japanese sentence can be also read as: from "first twilight" lift up as a sacrifice the six chosen by the key. of course it is actually "第一の晩" and it might be subjected to different translations. "first twilight" is 13 letters but so is "the first night". The problem with both of them is that it's quite hard to find a "name" using those characters. __________________

2010-02-13, 09:34	Link #333
matteas Member Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Czech Republic Age: 32	In case 第一の晩 was the starting phrase, "DAIICHI NO BAN" might work as well. It may look like 12 characters, but for example in my native language, it would be 11 characters, because we have a special character "CH" which stands between H and I in alphabet.

2010-02-13, 11:05	Link #334
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Well in italian the "CH" sound in front of "i" and "e" is written just "C", so that would be "daiicinoban" but you don't even need to look for strange languages, if you use the kunrei system you write it: "daiiti no ban" __________________

2010-02-13, 13:26	Link #335
matteas Member Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Czech Republic Age: 32	Oh, of course, kunrei shiki. It has completely slipped off my mind. So we could use "t" or "c" or possibly "ch". But "ch" is the least likely because the letter "ch" isn't pronounced as "tʃ" but as "kh", like in German "ich". So, where would we get with "daiiti no ban"?

2010-02-15, 13:53	Link #336
Solachinx is a myth Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Age: 29	So, how funny would it be if the fortune was hidden somewhere simple like behind the potrait or in Kinzo's Study? That'd be an epic troll IMO __________________ Trambampoline!

2010-02-16, 05:21	Link #337
ChibiBear Aim's Stalker ^_~ Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Age: 29	But Ryukishi likes trolling right __________________ Meow meow nano desu~ Nipah~

2010-02-17, 02:31	Link #339
TheWatcher Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Look outside	Also where is every1 getting EP5 i can't find it.