2012-10-12, 16:09 | Link #1301 |
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If you are the President of the United States of America, and someone clearly spouting bullshit, and that someone is not a foreign leader, you should be able to call them on it. Tackfuly or not.
One could probably find such things in the Lincoln - Douglas debates or probably a debate by Theodore Roosevelt who wasn't shy about things from what I can tell.
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2012-10-12, 16:11 | Link #1302 | |
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Anyway, Biden singlehandedly may have turned the tide providing Obama doesn't mess it up again, critiques be damned. Obama just needs to make sure he brings his conviction with him when he is running down the facts one by one. As long as he believes that he didn't fuck it up as bad as the other guy is making it sound like, he should be able to come across pretty well.
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2012-10-12, 16:13 | Link #1303 | |
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"Wait your own turn to talk" is kindergarten shit, I could barely understand Ryan half the time and Biden was no more intelligible whenever he tried to cut across Ryan, being an abrasive dick is one thing but making half the debate consist of "asdepuerjfd;''adssldal;sdadsa'" because you insist on constantly speaking at the same time as your opponent is quite another |
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2012-10-12, 16:53 | Link #1304 | |
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Substance is amazing and important, but it is easy for substance to get lost in America's over-mediated hyperbolic environment. Consequently, every step must be planned carefully, and presentation becomes of equal importance, if not sometimes greater, than substance. It sucks, but that is the way the current media works. |
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2012-10-12, 17:03 | Link #1305 |
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@Don - Well played.
@monir - Essentially yeah. I was entertained. I don't feel particularly terrible about it, because to me debates are arguments with a ref. @Dr. Casey - I had zero problem with understanding either of them. I'm not saying you're not allowed to feel the way you do, I just don't think the issue is as big as some make it out to be. It's kindergarten stuff, sure, but considering most of our elected officials act like they failed kindergarten, I'm sadly not expecting that to change in a debate. @james - No argument from me, you're absolutely right. When I watched last night with my mom, we both commented that each side would look for something to complain about, and that Biden's performance would be a big part of that. So while I am stating my opinion that I don't think it should matter as much as it does, I also readily admit that it's something easy to spin, so it will be.
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2012-10-12, 17:35 | Link #1307 |
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I had to LOL at this description. But as a black male, I must say it is pretty redundant. Just say "that black guy" or the "other black guy" or "anyone but black women". It means the same thing. I believe Obama dated some in his earlier years, but apparently not with same level of passion as the Cain Train...I mean that other black guy. All your other Rep. candidate descriptions were totally on point. OK, back to talking politics...
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2012-10-13, 08:24 | Link #1308 |
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Analysis: Lame hopes for a lame-duck Congress
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89A1I720121011
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2012-10-13, 11:40 | Link #1309 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...#slide=1277577
Oh the racism... as if no one knew this wasn't an issue for some folks. Nice of someone to finally express it in the open.
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2012-10-13, 12:03 | Link #1310 |
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I thought people knew by now that the election has been over after Ron Paul dropped out.
Obama = Romney = Biden = Ryan They're on the same side. These presidential debates are entertainment for the American public who actually takes them seriously. |
2012-10-13, 13:09 | Link #1313 | |
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See, the national debt is important. But if we have WWIII, then all bets are off. Though technically if Romney DID start WWIII, then he should be able to wipe the National Debt just by killing nations and robbing them. The Viking approach. That assumes that anyone survived it. And also the only reason people wouldn't notice the economic pain is because they are too busy trying to stay alive.
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2012-10-13, 13:56 | Link #1315 |
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It's for people too lazy to pay attention the rest of the year. If you think that they're exactly on the same side, you are kidding yourself. At the same time, I am very well aware of Obama having corporate interests too; or else, he would have pushed harder to take down those, responsible for the 2009 Collapse. The thing about Romney: He IS corporate; in fact, he's the very representation of corporate culture in this country.
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2012-10-13, 14:10 | Link #1316 |
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The way I see it, Obama is clueless on fiscal policy. His only idea is to tax the rich more, which is fine but not enough. He has no serious plan to slim down the government. On the other hand, Romney's plan is just tax cut and smaller government, but has no details whatsoever.
If fiscal policy is your main concern, then you are pretty much left with two choices of poison to take. Obama has no new ideas to offer, and with Republicans not in compromising mood, another 4 years of getting nowhere is likely. Romney has no real plan, and going by his past record of bending to the slightest pressure, he may well just play along with whatever crazy idea the extremists in Republican base comes up with. So while they aren't the same, they may be equally bad choices in some people's eyes. |
2012-10-13, 14:17 | Link #1317 |
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I think I already made this point before. There are whole interest groups that come with each party that are vastly different in Social issues and Foreign issues.
While the Financial Industry cuts across both parties, the Democrats at least try to use Fiscal policy to alleviate social ills. Although after the 90's DLC/Clinton Third-Way era it's been more tilted towards using Market forces to promote Social Welfare. Still it's better than the outright decimation of the safety net that the extremists in the Republican Party want to do. >_> As for the Debt Hawks, outright austerity in this economy will just hamper growth and send us back into a double dip recession. See how Europe is going into negative growth after an aggressive austerity program? Not my first choice. But my preferred policy choices as I've said before go further than what mainstream Democrats are proposing and are more in line with the Greens/Progressive Democratic Caucus so I doubt we'll get anywhere with it.
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2012-10-13, 14:25 | Link #1318 | |
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The GOP made the strategic mistake of letting their zealots put social matters (da gey, da wimmen back in da preggies) front and center. That scares half the country more than who is the worst at budgeting. Both parties fail at budgeting, the idea that the GOP as it exists now can budget is ludicrous. They're totally focused on extracting wealth for the .01%.
A fair read if you can get a copy: Idiot America http://search.barnesandnoble.com/idi...00216243&itm=2 Quote:
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2012-10-13, 14:54 | Link #1319 |
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For the first time in about a week Obama has seen a slight increase in the national polls, possibly the bump from the VP debate. Amazing just how much appeared to be shaved off of his lead based on one debate. I'm not sure how Obama's prospects have improved in the state polls though which are what's actually important right now.
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2012-10-13, 15:44 | Link #1320 | |
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