2013-04-11, 02:11 | Link #1441 | |
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I'd tap that sadistic, cannibalistic, man-eating, deliciously vicious and sinister ass any day. The best heroine in the entire history of Jump. PERIOD. She doesn't have a stupid sob story to illustrate a victimized hypocrite. She was evil and rotten to the core, she knew it and relished in it. I can dance with sexy female Satan.
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2013-04-11, 04:14 | Link #1442 |
The old ace of Arlington
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I'm glad that I wasn't the only one that thought Dakki is sexy as hell. The reason I got into Fushin Engi was because of her on the cover -.-. Oh, the time of 13yo...when your hormone run wild.
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2013-04-12, 08:05 | Link #1443 |
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@Houshin Engi
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@Hitler Comparison I think Morga crossed the line with the latest revelation (two chapters back). I think he is a tragic monster, and is quite beyond any white-washing. In any case, I think he is quite a well-written character. Since that while he is quite a unforgivable monster, but you can see where he came from and understand what drives him. All the debates on his thus far have just been people emphasizing the one part of his characterization character over the other (the good side/horrid past vs the bad side/terrible present). I think we should fundamentally see him as he just is. However, calling him Hitler is kind of...off. The historical Hitler didn't really care about ANYONE beyond his ideology, not even for Germany or Germans. When the end came, he basically ranted about how Germany failed him and was unworthy of his ideals. Hitler was a complete monster who is willing to let the entire German nation suffer and be annihilated for his vision or for their failure to achieve it. Germany was a means to an end, not the end to itself for Hitler. Morga hasn't reach that level yet. Morga also displayed a little bit of villianous valor, and let's not forget he also doomed his own afterlife to "save his nation and protect his people", so he can walk his own talk. A better analogue, would hardcore, protective ***ish leader who can allow a another (larger) group of *******ians to endure great suffering and repress them if it means *****el can prosper, stay ***ish and democratic. A total hardass and "jerk", who nevertheless is ultimately not afraid to die and suffer himself for his cause. In Morga's case, he allowed some people to suffer so his nation can have the "ultimate deterrent". We also can't really compare to dooming someone's afterlife to anything done in real life, since...well...I have't seen something like that in real life other than metaphorically, so dooming someone's afterlife is a little hard to be used as a meaningful comparison. Last edited by Rainrir; 2013-04-12 at 08:41. |
2013-04-12, 08:38 | Link #1444 | |
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2013-04-12, 08:45 | Link #1445 | |
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On the flip side, though the level of "acceptable" suffering some very right-wing I******s (that I interacted with) to "the other" would probably appall and shock most people. I mean, we all heard of the torture ---> national security argument, which I don't doubt happen to "the other" in some circumstances (and in other more "enlightened" nations when national security is concerned). If you protest, they would tell you "better safe than sorry". What is portrayed here is basically a "fantasy" extension of that idea...except torture----> nuclear weapons ---> national security. I think we are back here because that is basically what Morga is written to be...except a more magical version that involves afterlives and all that. Can't call a kettle something else other than a kettle. |
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2013-04-12, 11:11 | Link #1446 |
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Hitler is just an arbitrarily mortal name. It doesn't matter who.
What I mean is, Mao, Stalin, I dunno Anders Beivik, it doesn't matter, none of these real-life "villains" can forcefully condemn your soul to eternity in hell. Moga can. Moga wins the villain scale in that sense. You're thinking too hard.
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2013-04-12, 11:59 | Link #1449 |
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Lolimagi wasn't sucking the life of a large section of the population as well as mentally torturing a large group of it and feeding them to Dark Djinn...mind you, there weren't just criminals in that group.
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They have a persecution complex that is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but they're not entirely wrong either. I wish Sheherazad had used her centuries to guide Reme toward a more enlightened path. Things might not have turned as they did if she'd been able to demonstrate good faith when she said Reme wouldn't treat the magicians badly. |
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2013-04-12, 17:15 | Link #1453 | ||
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That's pretty fucked up already and when the war started even the healthy people started collapsing and possibly dying due to the excessive drain. Being at war and in a tight spot is no excuse to practically kill your population. But oh yea...they aren't magicians so screw them. Quote:
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I disagree with you all.
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Heck, I'm not really trying to say Mogamett was right. I'm just saying, his situation isn't comparable to Sheherazad's. |
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No...I'm saying that it's what happens normally...
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2013-04-13, 02:54 | Link #1456 | ||||
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By "normal conditions", I mean in normal countries without magoi absorption devices. Poverty kills people in many ways (starvation, disease, crime...)
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At least, whatever bad choices Mogamett made, were guided by justified fear. What's Sheherazad's excuse? |
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