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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2010-04-23, 12:19 | Link #101 | |||
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In the end, Madara's disguise is only as deep or meaningful as you wish it to be... Quote:
I, actually, was using your post as a springboard for an overall statement (not specifically directed at you). That is why I mentioned "fear", a word others have used to describe Madara's potential mental and emotional state at the time. But, you are correct, I did not adequately describe my point. I meant to imply, by using the words "startled" and "disturbed", that "distressed" is a correct interpretation. But, this implication obviously failed . That wasn't my point. Much the same as we cannot say with full certainty that Madara/Tobi posses a MS, we definitely cannot say that he poses an EMS. So, your point about Madara having an EMS (so he shouldn't be afraid of anyone (which I quoted above)) is speculation, considering that we do not know where Madara's power (admitted to be weaker) comes from. In other words, while Madara was undoubtedly "distressed" by "What's in the Box!", his unknown EMS cannot be used to determine what is in the coffin. Quote:
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This is only valid if we're to say that Tobi is Madara. If Tobi really is Madara, then there wouldn't be a reason for Kishi to have Tobi hide his real powers. If Tobi is Mr. X, then there is just no way to know. That's why I think Tobi is Mr. X rather than Madara, because if he really is Madara, hiding his MS (and his face) would be quite pointless. |
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2010-04-23, 18:51 | Link #103 |
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I agree with Yoko Takeo!!
anyways.... I really think that Tobi is someone else... also remember what Kakashi said???? "Considering his plan, I doubt It could be anyone else" you know why he said that?? its because madara was supposed to be an avenger not a peace maker!! if he is madara.., he should be taking revenge on konoha not making a world of peace!!!
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2010-04-23, 21:00 | Link #104 | |
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As seen in the chapter at the shogun summit, Madara's vision of world peace is to place the whole world in an eternal genjutsu. |
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2010-04-23, 21:22 | Link #105 | |
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Im so sure if madara was alive he will have his revenge on konoha not make a world of peace! I think that is the reason why kakashi said this lines "Considering his plan, He could be anyone else"
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"What's in the Box?!" obviously surprised and agitated Madara/Tobi, but it needn't be a sinister as you imagine (then again, it could be worse than anyone imagined ). Quote:
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The only solid piece of evidence that Tobi might be someone other than Madara is found in the scene with Kabuto. Obviously "What's in the Box!?" is the key, but until we see a glimpse of the contents, we must be content with Tobi being Madara. Quote:
Anecdote: Just last chapter (491), I called the autograph scene between Naruto and some shinobi pointless, because it potentially added nothing to the plot and it served as filler. But, once 492 rolled around, all of a sudden what I once thought to be pointless immediately became central to the story. Kishimoto need supply only an explanation to explain why Madara is not a God anymore, then everything would be cleared up. |
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2010-04-24, 13:18 | Link #113 | |||
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Since this conversation is getting a little pointless (and is looping), I'll step aside. But first, a few quick points:
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I mentioned this in a chapter thread not that long ago. I was going to include it as one of the poll suggestions, but felt that it might be too spoilerific for those anime fans that might accidentally click on this thread... Last edited by james0246; 2010-04-24 at 13:45. |
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2010-04-24, 17:28 | Link #114 | |
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I could imagine that every demon has one specific part of a personality. For example the kyuubi has the hatred part, so it's the most difficult to control. The 8 tails sure is much more cooperative. We know that the chakra was divided into 9 parts, also we know that with chakra comes the will of the demon, so maybe the will of the 10-tails was also divided. |
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2010-04-24, 18:26 | Link #115 | |
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Many here comlained that Tobi can't be Madara because he doesn't use to almost no skills that originaly Madara used. There is simple reason for this. I believe that whatever happen in his fight with first left him without the ability to recrete the chakra he spends. (his chakra was one of the reasons that he was so powerfull, he said so himself). He probably has a certain amount of chakra left for him to use, and if he spends it he'll probably die. Thats why he created akatsuki and use it's members for his goal (he doesn't have the power to do it himself). He also said something to Kabuoro that he'll weaken him self if he fights him. Hil teleport jutsu probably doesn't spend a lot of chakra, tahs why he is using it. Also about his sharingan being alvays on, well he could probably turn it of when no ones looking
Thats why he wants to seal juubi inside of himself. He'll gain ultimate chakra amount and juubi's chakra will heal his body, just like kyuubi does with Naruto (and in proces gain control over whole world so it's a win-win situation for him.
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2010-04-26, 13:57 | Link #117 | ||
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Disregarding evidence for Obito=Tobi, I could see Tobi being the will of the 10 tails, except if that were the case, what would frighten him in the box? I mean if he's something that sinister and powerful, why would he care if it's revealed he's not Madara... in fact, why pose as Madara in the first place? And of course I have a difficult time seeing him being the will of it because of the biiju's. They clearly have their own will and chakra, so I think it's safe to assume that those are the lesser parts of not only the 10-tail's chakra, but his will as well. Okay, I take it back. I really don't see much of a way he could be the 10-tail's will. It would have been an appropriate twist if the story was written differently, but the set up for it just isn't there. Quote:
I'm not really sure what people are arguing with this logic in the first place. I mean, what skills do we know that Madara could do in the past that he hasn't done recently? I think there are some manga images showing him use fire jutsu, and then of course there is the controlling of the nine tails, but other than that you don't really see him use his MS in the flashbacks of the past. So arguing that he can't be Madara because he doesn't use madara's original powers is silly. |
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2010-04-26, 14:13 | Link #118 |
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^Not really trying to start a conversation, but...What would frighten the Jyuubi's Will (in Madara's body)? Isn't that an easy question? Obviously the one person who defeated it: Rikudou Sennin.
Additionally, while some powers may or may not be "unique", we can clearly say that some powers/techniques are more powerful in one eye compared to other eyes. Shisui had superior eyes in regards to controlling others; many fans have speculated that Kakashi has better eyes for copying techniques (which is why he, and not an Uchiha, was the "Copy-nin"); Sasuke has often mentioned powerful eyes; etc. Additionally, other techniques (Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susano'o and Izanagi) have all had various degrees of power - some eyes cast the techniques better than other eyes. Last edited by james0246; 2010-04-26 at 19:08. |
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again..... you guys are forgetting kabuto's lines.... "Relax, I wont tell anyone" which means that inside the box is not a very powerful person but to reveal something that tobi doesnt wanted to be revealed..... again... what will happen if he was revealed that he was not Madara?? - It will destroy his plan of course.....
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2010-04-27, 08:32 | Link #120 | |
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It seems Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is weaker than Itachi's, but his Amaterasu is stronger. Plus, with Izanagi we were point blank told that time limit varies; but we are also told that Orochimaru had messed with the eyes to give 1 minute time limit. It stands to reason that Shusui had better Genjutsu eyes. Taking it further, MS eyes may be similar in that they all share eye the same eye skill set, but some are so weak as to be useless. For example: Madara may be able to warp, while Kaka's warp ability is less powerful, and Sasuke's is so weak he doesn't even know about it. |
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