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Old 2017-06-05, 10:27   Link #321
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They really should have. Not that I think it actually justifies her actions, but it at least makes it more understandable. Like I said in my initial post, some parts of the movie felt a bit disjointed. Though it could have been far worse. I mean, most of their choices on what to cut and what to keep made sense, it's just... I feel like maybe another five minutes would have helped considerably.
Yeah, at first before I read the manga afterwards I thought the mother was just plain nuts lol...
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Old 2017-06-08, 02:51   Link #322
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...So let me see if I get this right: Shouko got mad at Yuzuru for uploading that photo -> Yuzuru runs away -> Mother of the Year blames Shouya for this -> Her first reaction upon even SEEING THE GUY IN YUZURU'S PRESENCE is to punch him? Do also note that it had been, what, seven years since the whole bullying incident? Or was it five? Eh, whatever. I mean I can understand her being hostile towards him, but I generally tend to think punching someone the moment you see them is a rather deplorable thing to do in any situation... Note that I find the context in which it happened in the manga to be extremely douchey too. Like, yeah, Shouya was unmistakably a completely horrible person back in sixth grade... but she doesn't even entertain the idea that maybe he's learned since then? Though at least by this point in the manga I seem to recall her reaction being "only" some harsh words about how nothing Shouya does now is going to undo what he did before. (Which I mean, she's right, but still, way to not even acknowledge that the guy is trying to make amends.)
Wait. You mean it's out of character for her to be in a sense filled with wrath? Were you paying attention to the scar on Ishida's mom?

The movie is not complete in terms of the manga subplots but I think it does a great job with showing and not telling what happens in between. Honestly, even Shouko's suicide was completely foreshadowed by the brilliant use of Yuzuru's dream. It doesn't clearly say that it didn't happen but it also implies greatly that Shouko thought about dying back then.

Now let's look back to what the mother has deal with.

Your daughter gets bullied constantly.
Your child gets permanently scarred.
You lose thousands of dollars worth of hearing aid.
An implication of your child thinking about suicide.
To top it off, the stress of Yuzuru's actions.

Was the slap still unwarranted?

There were some things only the manga readers would get. One of which is the scene in the intro where it shows that Shouko was bullied even before she transferred. If you take a look at the scene where Young Ishida enters the parlor a long haired Young Shouko is sitting on the sides reading a magazine while looking all messed up.
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Old 2017-06-08, 20:02   Link #323
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Now let's look back to what the mother has deal with.

Your daughter gets bullied constantly.
Your child gets permanently scarred.
You lose thousands of dollars worth of hearing aid.
An implication of your child thinking about suicide.
To top it off, the stress of Yuzuru's actions.

Was the slap still unwarranted?
Yes. Because that happened SIX YEARS AGO. Don't get me wrong, 12-year-old Shouya is a complete garbage excuse for a human being, but 18-year-old Shouya? He's had six years to face the consequences of his actions, still being put down for them despite the fact that anyone who'd pay even the slightest bit of attention would see in a second that he's learned his lesson and is no longer that same brat he once was. And at the time this slap happened, he had done absolutely nothing to warrant this kind of response. I mean, he hadn't done anything to deserve it in the context it happened in the manga either, but at least there the chain of events wasn't literally "Mom enters scene from the left -> Mom slaps Shouya in the face -> Mom leaves the scene with Yuzuru".
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Old 2017-06-08, 20:52   Link #324
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Being the past doesn't mean it's water under the bridge. It still happened, it caused a dramatic effect in the family, you shouldn't question why she did it.

You forgot that in that scene, she saw "the little bitch who set her family back a million yen". That's almost grounds for economic sabotage (exaggerated). Any mother would keep her family out of such a saboteur.
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Old 2017-06-09, 08:06   Link #325
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Being the past doesn't mean it's water under the bridge. It still happened, it caused a dramatic effect in the family, you shouldn't question why she did it.
I was bullied in the past. There are people I knew in junior high whom I would totally like to punch in the face if I were to see them again. However, I like to think that I wouldn't actually do so, and I'm pretty sure that if I were to, and defend it with "He bullied me in junior high!" I would get sympathy from exactly zero people.
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Old 2017-06-09, 17:54   Link #326
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That's quite different from the situation in Shouko's family.
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Old 2017-06-09, 19:04   Link #327
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Well sorry for not being the mother of a deaf girl who was bullied by an immature kid who also cost me a whole ton of money. And sorry for thinking that despite all that, physically assaulting someone unprovoked (again, if the "provocation" in question happened HALF A DECADE AGO, it doesn't count. People typically tend to change a bit in that time, and indeed, Shouya was a completely different person by then) is not an acceptable thing to do.

This is all beside the original point anyway, which is, if you'll recall, that the scene was paced awkwardly.
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Old 2017-06-27, 12:48   Link #328
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Finally watched the movie. I loooove it. Love it love it love it. I hope someone licenses it overseas so I can shed a couple tears again.
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Old 2017-07-02, 14:52   Link #329
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Was the slap still unwarranted?
Yes. Slap was not warranted imo. The incident happened 6 years ago. She got paid for the hearing aids. If she didn't tell Ishida how she felt at the meeting, sucks to be her. She's an adult and should act like one...violence is not a solution. Her actions were just like those school children...bullying a bully because she could get away with it.

Anyways... great movie! I was crying like a baby at the end.
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Old 2017-07-03, 23:39   Link #330
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Yes. Because that happened SIX YEARS AGO. Don't get me wrong, 12-year-old Shouya is a complete garbage excuse for a human being, but 18-year-old Shouya? He's had six years to face the consequences of his actions, still being put down for them despite the fact that anyone who'd pay even the slightest bit of attention would see in a second that he's learned his lesson and is no longer that same brat he once was. And at the time this slap happened, he had done absolutely nothing to warrant this kind of response. I mean, he hadn't done anything to deserve it in the context it happened in the manga either, but at least there the chain of events wasn't literally "Mom enters scene from the left -> Mom slaps Shouya in the face -> Mom leaves the scene with Yuzuru".
People are different to one another. Others carry grudges till their last day on earth. Others are saints. Not to mention there are those in between.

Also Shouko's mother doesn't know anything about Shouya's circumstance so why are you insinuating she does? She doesn't know he learned his lesson or he is suffering for it. All she knows is that THAT is the kid who nearly drove her daughter to the bottom of the pit.
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Old 2017-07-15, 23:54   Link #331
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Crossed the finish line for this movie, what a ride it was. Makoto Shinkai was not kidding when he praised it
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Old 2017-07-16, 15:44   Link #332
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I finally saw the movie and it was so great that I would buy a Bluray version subbed in a instant when I can get it.
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Old 2017-07-19, 13:23   Link #333
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Crossed the finish line for this movie, what a ride it was. Makoto Shinkai was not kidding when he praised it
Hey actually praised this movie?
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Old 2017-07-19, 13:30   Link #334
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Watched this w/o any expectation and boy it hit too close to home: #1. Being on the receiving end of bullying, I know I should let it go, but some still fill me with rage even over 25 years later (How would a child feel if the first thing that happen when he arrive in a new town was to be copiously beaten the shit out of him FOR NO REASON?). So I could understand how the mother felt. #2. Have a elder cousin who lost her hearing after a ear infection gone south, and no doctor because the Khmer rouges killed off those they found. Let's say that the communication was always awkward.

The subject matter was handled with enough modesty on the director's part to not feel heavy handed. And Saori Hayami just steal the movie.

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yes, he did.


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Old 2017-09-17, 00:31   Link #336
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Finally got to watching this today on a weekend night.

Honestly, I think this movie was great. It had very human emotions and playing a character like Shouko is never easy. Yet, I think the VA did an incredible job.

The first 15 or so minutes of this movie made me hate Ishida quite a bit. The way he bullied the deaf girl was relentless. I don't blame the drama that poured onto him as he got bullied himself. Karma served him right. "I ended up alone".

Character chemistry between Shouko and Nishimiya really made me feel a lot for them. I think in many ways, their relationship can be relatable when reflecting on the bullying antics. The transition from the pasto to the present timeline also felt effective especially with the way Shouko reacted to Nishimya reintroducing himself to her. And by not doubt, I was not surprised by how she reacted. Again, I think a lot of the scenes from this movie made me feel a lot for the characters. The human expression and the personalities are what I found really meaningful.

Also, I think the movie did a fair job with the character expressionism with the crossed out faces. It symbolizes the people that still cares about him and those that don't. Nishimya's change in character is very noticable in the present timeline. It shows that people can change through experiences. Nishimya's sister is also an interesting character from the present timeline imo. Between the two, I think she's the type that can make friends more easily.

Ueno is still the same character from the present as in the past. It's sad really when you see how she tries to bully Nishimya but also Ishida. Some of the dialogues said by her kinda ticked me off, not that I'm surprised since she was like that the moment she appeared in the movie. I couldn't really her accept her character or role in this movie as a whole.

The part with Ishida saves Nishimiya is big highlight of his character in the last 40 minutes of the movie. Just felt like he changed so much.

On the technical front, I thought Kyoto Animation did a great job with the visual elements. Not just the symbolism and character designs but the actual quality. It's stellar and nothing short of impressive. Add the dramatic music, it really brings this movie to life.

Overall, I'd rate this 8/10. A terrific movie that I can't help but feel attached to.
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Old 2017-09-17, 12:37   Link #337
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Just so you know, you mistakenly used "Nishimiya" instead of "Ishida" several times in your post, making it a bit confusing.
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Old 2017-09-29, 02:39   Link #338
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No wonder they're trying to cater more to China

Meanwhile the US release is once again just gonna be ignored. Why do they even bother marketing to us when we're such a lost cause?
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Old 2017-09-30, 23:39   Link #339
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The complete cast is as follows:

Shoya Ishida: Robbie Daymond

Shoya Ishida (in year 6 at school): Ryan Shanahan

Shoko Nishimiya: Lexi Cowden

Naoka Ueno: Kira Buckland

Naoka Ueno (in year 6 at school): Gia Grace

Miki Kawai: Amber Lee Connors

Miki Kawai (in year 6 at school): Annabelle Corigliano

Miyoko Sahara: Melissa Hope

Mikoko Sahara (in year 6 at school): Catie Harvey

Hirose (in year 6 at school): Brian Bekerle

Kazuki Shimada: Michael Sinterniklaas

Kazuki Shimada (in year 6 at school): Spencer Rosen

Yuzuru Nishimiya: Kristen Sullivan

Yaeko Nishimiya: Lipica Shah

Ito Nishimiya: Janis Carol

Miyoko Ishida: Sara Cravens

Nagatsuka: Graham Halstead

Satoshi Mashiba: Max Mittelman

Maria: AnnaBelle Deaner
Apparently, Lexi Cowden is deaf herself.

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Old 2017-11-12, 12:04   Link #340
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It was a really good film and enjoyed it though I don't think I'll ever be able to get past the feeling that there were a lot of missed opportunities to make it better.

As a stand alone and without considering the source I'd say it was a good film though I think it would have been much better if the focus was more on Shouko than Ishida. The ending scene has Ishida gaining a more positive perspective as the final climax but I really think it would have been much better if it ended on Shouko or both of them together gaining a better perspective. The film does also feel a bit disjointed and rushed what with the time skip and other events throughout the story. It tries to cram an awful lot of stuff in and probably would've worked better cutting out some of the side characters. I hate how easily the story redeems Ueno. The most optimistic interpretation you can get from her is that she was trying to redirect Shouko's hatred of herself to Ueno but even then that doesn't excuse how destructive she was in trying to do so. And ultimately I don't feel like the story satisfactorily makes the argument that Shouko never had anything to apologise for.

As an adaptation...well that's a little more complicated. I'm of the opinion that the best part of the manga was the pilot chapter and that the rest of the story never quite reaches the same heights. Personally, my dream adaptation would be a feature length film on just the pilot chapter but that would've been difficult and require a fair bit of content expansion so I don't blame KyoAni for taking this route instead. The problem though is that they ended up cutting out a lot of great scenes, like the Nishimiya mother's flashbacks, Ishida visiting his old teacher with Mashiba, and Ueno crying when she meets Ishida again. You don't really get the significance of the some the characters as a result, particularly Mashiba and the Nishimiya grandma but they all suffer from a lack of characterisation. Unfortunately I don't think it would've worked as a TV adaptation either so I guess this is the best that could be done.
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By the way, I really have the give props to the voice actors here because all of them were just sublime in this film. Ishida, Shouko, Yuzuru and Tomohiro in particular but they were all great. I was a little apprehensive when I heard Miyu Irino would voice Ishida because I didn't really think it would fit but he does a really good job. Saori was fantastic given the task she had, Kensho did a great job making Tomohiro instantly loveable and Aoi is just as amazing as she always is. The soundtrack is great too even though it's very simple. I've gone at length about the flaws here but I really did enjoy this film overall just like I enjoyed the manga. It was so down to earth and human. I'm not really a fan of KyoAni's "same facey-ness policy" but I didn't think it was as intrusive as I feared it would be and the overall animation was top-notch.
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