Another (generic discussion thread)

[Jimmy C]

25. 水野　猛 Mizuno Takeru sister died by head trauma

I can't remember, which episode did this happen?

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

I can't remember, which episode did this happen?

That's the nurse in episode 4

[Jimmy C]

Ah, her. Totally forgot her brother's name. That's why I didn't connect it with her.

[sa547]

Okay, I'm in need of expiration dates for those two (July 21 or 22 might be plausible, as there's no date displayed on this episode).

綾野　綾 Ayano Akane X car accident, parents died in car accident
小椋　由美 Ogura Yumi brother died in home incident

Edit: nvm.

Gonna have to figure out how to organize and tidy up the whole roster.

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by sa547

Okay, I'm in need of expiration dates for those two (July 21 or 22 might be plausible, as there's no date displayed on this episode).

綾野　綾 Ayano Akane X car accident, parents died in car accident
小椋　由美 Ogura Yumi brother died in home incident

I read it up in the novel and there Ogura Atsushi (小椋 敦志) died on July 30th (the same day that the protagonists went into the school)...but of course I can't prove that the anime is using the exact same dates as the novel did. But considering that the school trip was announced as starting on August 8th in the anime as well, at least as far as I remember, it would make it likely that we have already advanced to the end of July.
There is also the point that it had to have been a few days between them returning from their trip and the autopsy results being passed over to Chibiki. That plus 2 or 3 days makes it likely.

Oh yes, one other thing. You should probably decide whether you would want to use the surname or given name on that chart. You used Mizuno Sanae, Sakuragi Yukari (btw. her mothers name is Mieko) and Ayano Aya (yes, it's Aya I...overlooked her name in the novel before), but then again Fujioka Misaki, Nakao Junta and Takabayashi Ikuo. Though I think that was because the anime never gave us their full names

I added the class roster a little to make it a little more informational and corrected some names that I missed while searching through the novel

Spoiler for class roster 1998:

Class 3-3 / 1998

Homeroom Teacher: 久保寺　Kubodera 07.13. X suicide, mother killed by aphyxiation
Assistant Homeroom Teacher: 三神　Mikami

1. 赤沢 泉 Akazawa Izumi
2. 有田　松子 Arita Matsuko
3. 綾野　綾 Ayano Aya 07.30. X car accident, same day parents died in same car accident
4. 江藤　悠 Etou Yuu
5. 王子　誠 Ouji Makoto
6. 小椋　由美 Ogura Yumi 07.30. brother Atsushi (敦志) died in home incident
7. 杮沼　小百合 Kakinuma Sayuri
8. 風見　智彦 Kazami Tomohiko
9. 金木　杏子 Kaneki Kyouko
10. 川堀　健蔵 Kawahori Kenzou
11. 桜木　ゆかり Sakuragi Yukari 05.26. X impalement, same day mother Mieko (三枝子) died in car accident
12. 佐藤　和江 Sato Kazue
13. 猿田　昇 Saruta Noboru
14. 杉浦　多佳子 Sugiura Takako
15. 高林　郁夫 Takabayashi Ikuo 06.04. X heart attack
16. 多多良　恵 Tatara Megumi
17. 辻井　雪人 Tsujii Yukito
18. 勅使河原　直哉 Teshigawara Naoya
19. 中尾　順太 Nakao Junta 07.18. X intracranial hemorrhage (?)
20. 中島　幸子 Nakajima Sachiko
21. 藤卷　奈緒実 Fujisaki Naomi
22. 前島　学 Maeshima Manabu
23. 松井　亜紀 Matsui Aki
24. 見崎　鳴 Misaki Mei 04.25. cousin Fujioka Misaki (藤岡未咲) died due to kidney failure
25. 水野　猛 Mizuno Takeru 06.03. sister (沙苗) died by head trauma
26. 望月　優矢 Mochizuki Yuuya
27. 米村　茂樹 Yonemura Shigeki
28. 和久井　大輔 Wakui Daisuke
29. 渡辺　珊 Watanabe San
30. 榊原　恒一 Sakakibara Kouichi

Another: ???

EDIT:

Originally Posted by sa547

Thanks for the added info, am doing corrections right now. Didn't want to bother reading the manga or the book unless I first finish watching the whole show.

No problem at all. Just make sure you use the corrected list...I apparently skipped some of the names yesterday.

[sa547]

Thanks for the added info, am doing corrections right now. Didn't want to bother reading the manga or the book unless I first finish watching the whole show.

Edit: need to revise completely.

[Hakuromatsu]

Nakao should be "death by cerebral contusion" not "death by dismemberment."

[sa547]

Damn, bad brain! Brainfart! Going back at it again.

Spoiler for EP 09 final?:

*now firing up InDesign CS5 to create a more cleaner roster layout*

[Ray]

sa547, this might help you in cleaning up the scoreboard. Or well, the top part anyway. I would've done it, but I've been busy as of late.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by sa547

*now firing up InDesign CS5 to create a more cleaner roster layout*

If you are going to redesign it all, an idea could be to lengthen the disposition desk section to space out a desk from the next below, enough to let all the data fit between two desks. It would be a tedious work, I know. Just an idea.
If I could be helpful, let me know.

[Pellissier]

Originally Posted by sa547

"EP 09 final?"

Probably there's not much room, but Akane's parents aren't listed. In addition, if I've understood correctly her name's not Akane, but Aya (Ayano Aya), so that needs to be fixed as well.

I may also add haguruma's class roster as addition to the sticky, if it's troublesome to implement it in the chart.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by haguruma

Oh yes, one other thing. You should probably decide whether you would want to use the surname or given name on that chart. You used Mizuno Sanae, Sakuragi Yukari (btw. her mothers name is Mieko) and Ayano Aya (yes, it's Aya I...overlooked her name in the novel before), but then again Fujioka Misaki, Nakao Junta and Takabayashi Ikuo. Though I think that was because the anime never gave us their full names

Wait a minute here, it's Fujioka (last name) Misaki (first name)? I thought it was the opposite until now... mind = blown.

That means her given name is her cousin's last name. Ok. At least that explains why the kanjis are different.

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by Pellissier

I may also add haguruma's class roster as addition to the sticky, if it's troublesome to implement it in the chart.

Cool, do that. It's not much but I think people might find it interesting to get to know their complete names.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Wait a minute here, it's Fujioka (last name) Misaki (first name)? I thought it was the opposite until now... mind = blown.

That means her given name is her cousin's last name. Ok. At least that explains why the kanjis are different.

Yepp, if she were closer related she'd be Misaki Misaki (見崎　未咲)
I think Japanese name order is still confusing, especially went sub-groups don't really agree on one way to write the names. While I prefer the use of translation I normally leave the "surname - given name" order intact because it creates less confusion...especially because even in Japan you wouldn't write a Western name backwards, you'd still write John Smith and not suddenly Smith John.

[Pellissier]

Originally Posted by haguruma

Cool, do that. It's not much but I think people might find it interesting to get to know their complete names.

Just one thing, in which order did you write them, perhaps the class registry? Anyway, I think the names' order should at least mach the seats they are (to make a visual confrontation with the chart much easier; not all names are visible there, let alone the fact most people are not at ease with kanji).

So I believe that in our case it would be better if we sort them out by rows. Something like this (just including some "famous" romanized names for simplicity, the layout you designed with name in kanji, name in romaji and "happenings" is ok):

1st Row (left):

1. Akazawa
2.
3. Ogura
4.
5.
6. Misaki

2nd Row:

7.
8. Nakao
9.
10. Mizuno
11.
12.

3d Row:

13. Sakuragi
14.
15. Ayano
16.
17.
18.

and so on.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by haguruma

Yepp, if she were closer related she'd be Misaki Misaki (見崎　未咲)
I think Japanese name order is still confusing, especially went sub-groups don't really agree on one way to write the names. While I prefer the use of translation I normally leave the "surname - given name" order intact because it creates less confusion...especially because even in Japan you wouldn't write a Western name backwards, you'd still write John Smith and not suddenly Smith John.

I've pondered for a long time which order to use, and I eventually decided it was better to write them in the western order after I noticed Japanese themselves adopt the given name-surname order when they write their name in romaji (at least that's what they do in seiyuu/idol magazines ). I think it's less confusing that way.

[sa547]

Here's the fixed version:

Spoiler for revision 5, poss. final.:

Been having too much to work on lately, so being plagued with much brain fart in the last two days. :P

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

A quick question: The official English title of Ep10 is "Glass Eye". I don't think it's a direct translation of the Japanese title, 漆黑, is it? The kanji literally mean "pitch black".

I ask because "Body Paint" doesn't seem to be a direct translation of 連鎖 either. The kanji literally mean "connected locks".

Similarly, the title for Ep8, "Hair Stand", doesn't correspond with its Japanese version, 紺碧 ("dark blue-jade green").

Originally Posted by Squarecrow

I think someone mentioned they have a different Japanese and English title so they can have 2 different titles for the same episode.

Originally Posted by sa547

Reminds me of those episode titles used in Eva, in which there are two completely different titles, one in English and another in kanji.

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

In Another's case, I think it's more due to the challenge of finding approximate terms in both languages than simply trying to be "cool". It's interesting that the English titles build on the dolls motif, while the Japanese titles tend to be more "poetic", for lack of better description.

On reflection, I realised that Squarecrow and sa547 were right after all. The two sets of titles are very likely meant to serve different purposes. It's easier to show what I mean:

Ep	Kanji	Literal	Official	Key events
0	因果	cause and effect	the Other	Life and death of Misaki Fujioka.
1	素描	rough sketch	same	Introduction to Kouichi, Yomiyama and Mei.
2	思惑	speculation	blueprint	Is Mei a ghost?
3	骨組	skeletal framework	bone work	Hints of a curse. First death.
4	輪郭	silhouette	put flesh	Curse's effects outlined. Death at the hospital.
5	拡散	scatter	build limbs	Students start avoiding Kouichi.
6	二人	two people	face-to-face	Kouichi and Mei become a non-existent couple.
7	変調	change of tone	sphere joint	Ostracism abandoned. Active effort to probe phenomenon.
8	紺碧	deep blue	hair stand	Death at sea.
9	連鎖	chain links	body paint	Past deaths unfold in parallel to those in the present.
10	漆黑	pitch black	glass eye	tbd

So, it seems that the English titles conform to the doll/doll-making motif, while the Japanese titles allude to significant plot developments, sometimes in oblique ways. The official titles for Ep0 seem particularly noteworthy. The "other" who was the "karmic cause and effect"... of the phenomenon?

Makes you wonder about Misaki Fujioka, doesn't it?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

On reflection, I realised that Squarecrow and sa547 were right after all. The two sets of titles are very likely meant to serve different purposes. It's easier to show what I mean:

So, it seems that the English titles conform to the doll/doll-making motif, while the Japanese titles allude to significant plot developments, sometimes in oblique ways. The official titles for Ep0 seem particularly noteworthy. The "other" who was the "karmic cause and effect"... of the phenomenon?

Makes you wonder about Misaki Fujioka, doesn't it?

The other probably refers to them looking alike.

[PreSage]

I just wonder why the school doesn't shut down class 3-3 altogether? If there are no students to ever enter class 3-3, there wouldn't be these incidents or possible incidents each year. Aside from not having a show to watch , wouldn't it be the easiest solution?

Also, what factors in as to whom from a previous class returns as an Another? Are we given any clues about that?

[sa547]

Perhaps they want to keep 3-3 to appease the spirit of the dead student, and at the same time try to give a semblance of continuity and normalcy, except most of the countermeasures are flawed and could not prevent deaths from occurring.