Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Rising Dragon]

Not in SEED, apparently. Why do you think we got Kira/Lacus and Shinn/Lunamaria? I mean, who cares about proper narrative and development between characters when you can have frigidness in bed and filial murder pity?

[Old_Iron]

Don't mind me, I'm just watching the show. Speechless and vaguely horrified, but I'm just watching.

*munches on popcorn*

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Not in SEED, apparently. Why do you think we got Kira/Lacus and Shinn/Lunamaria? I mean, who cares about proper narrative and development between characters when you can have frigidness in bed and filial murder pity?

Not Fukuda or Morosawa (at least I think that's the name), apparently.

By the way, am I the only one who thinks the Destiny's design is one big case of the developers not knowing what the hell they're supposed to be doing with the mecha porn?

[Old_Iron]

You're not the only one. It's design is cool bits all over the place that ultimately end up looking gaudy and impractical. Even the paint scheme is ugly in my opinion.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

So was Kira/Flay. Didn't stop them from fucking up with relationship depictions as per usual in Gundam.

Kira/Fllay was already fucked up to beginning with it didn't need any help there.

[Rising Dragon]

And yet it still had more meaningful development and all the hallmarks of a reunion complete with reconciliation and redemption for Flay.

And then whoops, gotta go with the pink-haired airhead! Way to fumble, SEED. Way to fumble.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Don't forget the actual on-screen sex.

[Rising Dragon]

Man, they screwed us out of Kira/Flay make-up sex. What the hell.

[Kuroi Hadou]

We can probably blame Sunrise for that one, what with that whole uproar the first time Kira/Flay had sex and they said the ones responsible would be punished. Executive meddling all-around.

[Old_Iron]

Horrifying deaths in outer space tend to screw a lot of people out of a lot of things. Kira/Flay make up sex just being the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[Kuroi Hadou]

So the more I think about it, the more I have to say WTF about the Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor. There is no way anyone in their right mind would even try to build that thing, not that it would even work IRL. The laws of physics don't work like that.

[Old_Iron]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

So the more I think about it, the more I have to say WTF about the Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor. There is no way anyone in their right mind would even try to build that thing, not that it would even work IRL. The laws of physics don't work like that.

Dare I ask why they don't? I'm not exactly familiar with how the HDNR claims to function.

[S.Freedom]

sigh I miss Flay, it's a shame she got blown to bits.

And damn it Luna, did you have to act like so annoying this episode?

Otherwise, hopefully we'll get to see Cagalli actually do something in the next few episodes.(and yes I know that's wish full thinking)

[monster]

Originally Posted by CBredbeard

They also saved the Minerva when it was about to be lobotomized by a Murasame.

That doesn't erase the deaths of those Minerva crewmembers. It might not even come to that had the Minerva successfully destroyed the Takemikazuchi in the first battle.

Not altogether since that's not even half the story.

It doesn't have to be the whole story; it's the part that matters to ZAFT.

lol rping

Roleplaying?

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And I also feel that most people go for shipping at the first interaction regardless of how it was meant.

At the other end of the spectrum, some people refuse to accept that a relationship was no longer romantic in nature and was meant to end.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Old_Iron

Dare I ask why they don't? I'm not exactly familiar with how the HDNR claims to function.

Because the laws of thermodynamics reads as thus: Fuck you, because fuck you.

The HDNR works by taking deuterion pairs from the nuclear reactor and recycling them back into the reactor. Entropy means you're getting less energy as it goes on. You lose energy converting it into deuterion, and lose yet more feeding it back. You'd only be able to avert it the second time around if you're using... what, antimatter, I think?

Overall it's a terrible, terrible idea. Because thermodynamics ruins everything.

Originally Posted by monster

At the other end of the spectrum, some people refuse to accept that a relationship was no longer romantic in nature and was meant to end.

Yet we can never know, because Kira/Lacus frigidness in bed is apparently better than actual development (and don't say off-screen shit counts as development again, because seriously, if you don't see it happen in a story it's not actually development). We'll never know because Morosawa decided it was a good idea to work up to a reconciliation and then drop the axe on it at the last possible fucking second.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Because the laws of thermodynamics reads as thus: Fuck you, because fuck you.

The HDNR works by taking deuterion pairs from the nuclear reactor and recycling them back into the reactor. Entropy means you're getting less energy as it goes on. You lose energy converting it into deuterion, and lose yet more feeding it back. You'd only be able to avert it the second time around if you're using... what, antimatter, I think?

Overall it's a terrible, terrible idea. Because thermodynamics ruins everything.

It really does. Even more than that, though, the second law of thermodynamics, the most unfair and dick scientific law ever (seriously, not even relativity is as bad as this jerkass), says every time you going to do the conversion, you're creating heat. Heat as in the reactor and components in the core of the suit are getting hotter. Heat that the suit has no way to get rid of.

Plus, on a more practical level, if the reactor has enough leftover energy to power its own conversion process (which takes an absolutely ridiculous amount of power to begin with), then that reactor is putting out way too much energy. Far more than it ever should, because you're just wasting fuel and unnecessarily overloading your energy grid.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Yet we can never know, because Kira/Lacus frigidness in bed is apparently better than actual development (and don't say off-screen shit counts as development again, because seriously, if you don't see it happen in a story it's not actually development). We'll never know because Morosawa decided it was a good idea to work up to a reconciliation and then drop the axe on it at the last possible fucking second.

It may not be my choice of ending, but it was still a good (tragic, but good) ending for them.

And Lacus or not, it still doesn't change the fact that their relationship was never meant to last (at least, romantically). Even that supposed alternative ending had one or both of them dying, I believe.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

It really does. Even more than that, though, the second law of thermodynamics, the most unfair and dick scientific law ever (seriously, not even relativity is as bad as this jerkass), says every time you going to do the conversion, you're creating heat. Heat as in the reactor and components in the core of the suit are getting hotter. Heat that the suit has no way to get rid of.

Plus, on a more practical level, if the reactor has enough leftover energy to power its own conversion process (which takes an absolutely ridiculous amount of power to begin with), then that reactor is putting out way too much energy. Far more than it ever should, because you're just wasting fuel and unnecessarily overloading your energy grid.

So the Destiny could've actually gotten an excuse to use the same heat mirage mechanic of the F-91 without resorting to cloak-particles? Wow. Technological fumble there as well.

All things considered the Destiny seems to be less like it was made specifically for Shinn and more like a testbed for technologies that made the whole machine rather impractical.

Originally Posted by monster

It may not be my choice of ending, but it was still a good (tragic, but good) ending for them.

And Lacus or not, it still doesn't change the fact that their relationship was never meant to last (at least, romantically). Even that supposed alternative ending had one or both of them dying, I believe.

Good hell, she got shafted out of an actual ending, and her own ending was retconned into uselessness because god forbid we alienate the Kira/Lacus fanboys over in Japan, so she got shafted twice over retroactively. Bah.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Good hell, she got shafted out of an actual ending, and her own ending was retconned into uselessness because god forbid we alienate the Kira/Lacus fanboys over in Japan, so she got shafted twice over retroactively. Bah.

Personally, I didn't want to see Flay doing, what was it? A suicide bomb attack? So, I'm glad for this ending if that was to be the alternative. Nice speech too, at the end.

By the way, what's a deuterion? I know deuterium is a type of hydrogen atom.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

So the Destiny could've actually gotten an excuse to use the same heat mirage mechanic of the F-91 without resorting to cloak-particles? Wow. Technological fumble there as well.

Pretty much, yeah. The Destiny and any other HDNR-powered suit, really.

All things considered the Destiny seems to be less like it was made specifically for Shinn and more like a testbed for technologies that made the whole machine rather impractical.

That makes a disturbing amount of sense.

You've got the WoL, which are just pretty lights the suit's design never even properly utilized and didn't make much of a difference anyway. Seriously, the IJ kept up with the Destiny the entire time, and so did the SF even with its own WoL covered up by the DRAGOONs (and hence heavier). Great asset, there, Destiny.

The physical housing of the WoL isn't very impressive either. Despite being based off of the Freedom's wing design, they don't even seem to give the Destiny a HiMAT system.

The afterimage system... dear lord, where to start. Not only was no-one ever fooled by it, according to the Wiki it's completely separate from the WoL. Though take that with a grain of salt, though, because it's not sourced. Either way, even if it's not separate, the Destiny has to have the WoL active to use a feature that never even worked properly. Hello, double the waste of energy.

There's that armor separation design and internal phase-shift system, which is pretty much useless at this point because kinetic weapons are almost never in use anymore apart from things like vulcans. Even the grunts are decked out with beam weapons at this point, and PS is useless against that.

The weapons are just fail all around, too.

Originally Posted by monster

By the way, what's a deuterion? I know deuterium is a type of hydrogen atom.

Doesn't exist. CE made it up.