2012-08-01, 22:33 | Link #61 | |
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The pilot committed suicide than be taken alive. |
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2012-08-01, 22:38 | Link #62 | |
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Flit did that because he wanted to get his hands on the helmet technology, not because he cared for the pilot's life like Kio...
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2012-08-01, 22:48 | Link #64 | |
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From Vagan standpoint, having a leader that could lead them to earth, would sound like a godsend to the people. It's the same with Nazi Germany. The people thought Hitler was great because he made a bunch of promises that sounded wonderful. Yes, the people were tricked with petty lies, but that doesn't mean they are at blame for the actions of a deranged madman. |
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2012-08-01, 22:48 | Link #65 | |
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I don't give a crap about whether the pilot commit suicide. I do give a crap about the facts, and what you're saying doesn't mesh up with what's being presented. Amendment: In the next episode Flit does mention said dead pilot. He does not, however, say he intended to capture him, for intel or otherwise, only mentioning him concerning the impending autopsy report that may confirm his suspicions on what damage the helmet does.
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2012-08-01, 22:54 | Link #66 | |
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Nevertheless, it was not of compassion that he retrieved the Dorado head. |
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2012-08-01, 22:55 | Link #67 | |
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You don't care about these facts. |
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2012-08-01, 23:01 | Link #69 |
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Doesn't matter that he hasn't killed a defenseless Vagan. What does matter is that he intends to wipe the whole lot of them out, regardless of their suffering. Just because he hasn't acted out on it successfully mean that it's right for him to say such things or advocate the practice of such things to other people like the woman he's mentoring or his children and grandchildren. Like Revolutionist said, genocide is wrong. Be it in advocation of it or practice of it, it is still inherently wrong.
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2012-08-01, 23:06 | Link #70 |
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All combatants. Didn't I say Flit did not kill in cold blood.
There is a difference between somebody who fights back to somebody who can't. Flit hates Decil and defeated him but with his conscience can't kill a defenseless 7 year old right there and there. Gerra Zoi tried to bait Flit to shoot but Flit couldn't just pull the trigger. You are shooting at him yeah you are an acceptable target. Otherwise Flit still has his morals and a professional soldier despite being jaded by years of Vegan atrocities. |
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Geera Zoi isn't your best example because chances are Flit would've pulled the trigger within a few more seconds. Maybe as a mishap due to how much he was trembling in fury or maybe deliberate or both, but chances are he would've fired. He simply didn't get the chance because Grodek shot first, so we'll never know for sure. Try again.
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2012-08-01, 23:24 | Link #72 | |
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Even when Decil returned he was a non-issue in the big picture. Flit doesn't even bother to sortie in AGE-1 except when Assemu and Kio are in danger. Flit will come the fork once again and he will hesitate. For now nobody can convince Flit Vegans are worth saving. For that to happen reconciliation must start from the Vegan side to show they have redeeming qualities. Flit is right whatever their issues it doesn't justify their acts of mass murder. |
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2012-08-01, 23:35 | Link #73 | ||
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Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. But back then, Flit was a teenager who was relatively unexperienced with the true horrors of war, who had JUST lost someone important to him and he certainly wasn't acting rational and wasn't in his right mind. Honestly, I don't think he'll hesitate. He's grown up a long way and is far more experienced in combat. To quote Andrew Waltfeld and countless other people from real life who have been in the military, "it gets easier". That is, pulling the trigger, killing people, etc... it gets easier. And Flit, who is now much older, much more experienced, and most importantly, has experienced a lot more loss in his life (from Grodek to Woolf to his own son for a time), so he's considerably harder than he was when he was 14 in generation 1. Quote:
So yes, the Vagans' suffering does not justify their actions during the war. Likewise, Flit's suffering would not justify any similar actions. Just because he hasn't done them yet doesn't change that simple fact.
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2012-08-02, 00:15 | Link #76 | |
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Flit hasn't murdered anybody yet. In this context Flit hasn't killed non-combatants. |
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I wish you Flit apologists would apply that to the Vagans too, because iirc you guys were saying Fram was a cold blooded murderer by association with Zeheart even though she doesn't have a single enemy combatant kill to her name, much less civilians.
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