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ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 06:51

No picture is ever given in novel, besides, we can even call ShiroKishi generation Zero, since Gen-1 is directly reverse engineered from White Knight. (at least Ichika claimed)

I don't know, we hardly have guys to compare (and we all knew Dan is supposedly bland and unattractive, despite his appearance suggest). However, at the very least I can bet on Cecilia + Badass gentleman and Kanzashi + heroic white prince.

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 06:56

So those two would fall for guys other than Ichika? Making a list and hypothesis here.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:00

Assuming Cecilia really changed her view on men and not Ichika-sexual, there's a good chance she can find a sufficient second love. Kanzashi is a little tricky, but any honest, kind hearted men that accept her as a whole and always support her might have some chance.

That's kind of idealistic unless we play the damned cards of political drama (honey trap, betrayal etc...

)

StratoSpear · 2012-03-07, 07:00

If the guys in question fall under the categories that Zero mentioned, most likely.

Damnit! Ninja'd!

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 07:04

Charlotte's impossible?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:07

Not impossible, maybe harder?

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 07:13

Would any guy even go for them? They seem pretty intimidating. V4 cements it.

Just thought of something: Japan's already having problems with romance (Supposedly), so wouldn't the IS make it worse? Love plus was already made for regular Japan, what about Flipped Japan?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:19

Eh? I remember a pair of delinquents hit on Charlotte rather forcibly, until she twisted their arm.

As for the romance, maybe it got worse?

Author never actually going deep and serious with this, since this can potentially be a fan disservice (girls act high and mighty, guys having hard time in everything etc) fetish fuel notwithstanding.

I'm still thinking about how to portray this, in fact. The first thing mentioned by Dan in his story is Japan's NEGATIVE population growth for a year or two, which translates to "Oh fuck" for government.

EDIT: For your information, Love Plus did work, and hell, 2006 marked the history where Japan's population started to grew again.

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 07:29

They hit on her solely based on physical appearance. Would most guys hit on her after she did those martial arts and bullet time?

Would this increase brother sister rivalries? Unlike before, the sister has a colossal advantage and might always be better than her sibling due to the flip.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:31

Either the guys is honestly innocent on his crush, a badass with heart of gold, or a masochist...

We have a Canon example in form of Dan, it's played for laughs in canon though...

HasuMasu · 2012-03-07, 07:32

I'd probably be even more interested in her after seeing that.

Assuming I have no knowledge of her feelings for Ichika, then I have to change up my game.

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-07, 07:36

Spoiler for for the IS stockpile:

Unit designation: Sigma-01
Nicknamed "Wild Mare"

armaments:
Left arm: 15mm gatling cannon; ammo belts weigh it in into the hundreds of pounds.
Right arm: 50mm long range shell cannon; also bulky
shoulders: 24-shot homing missile launchers
sides: 10-shot homing missiles launchers

over 60% of Wild Mare's weight actually just comes from an extensive booster array that makes up for the speed lost from all the equipment weighing it down, as well as propellant for the boosters. Once weapons and boosters are exhausted; they can be purged to free the Wild Mare from dead weight.

A last resort weapon on Wild Mare is hidden under the optional arm cannons. A pair of multi-function beam emitters. These weapons are prototypes for the energy weapons soon sought after by countries like England who adapted the energy weapon research into optical weapons. These beam emitters use a movable 'focus' to control the output of the beam weapon into various kinds, like: a beam saber, a beam rifle, a beam cannon and even a beam shield. However it was soon scrapped because of a flaw in the structural cooling. These prototype beam emitters can be fielded but use must be limited within a strict "burn time" and then "cool down" or else the unit may risk exploding and damaging the IS and the pilot.

The Wild Mare is a 1st gen IS unit that was used as a precursor of the 2nd gen IS by its frame manufacturers. Originally just a frame composed of gauntlets and leg armor accompanied by a head set and two unattached radar/stabilizer units; it was refurbished to test out the possibility of combat applications. However right from the start, the core for Wild Mare was not user friendly. It was extremely powerful, even compared to its sister cores. IS built with this particular core tended to have abilities beyond the estimated parameters that the frame was supposed to handle. It also has a habit of being uncontrollable, normally resulting in oversteer/under responsiveness, and excessive use of power than intended.

A unit for the scrapbook

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:37

How about, err, recoil issue? Besides, that's too much of mounted weapon considering it's a gen-1...

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 07:39

@ Box - You'd be, but most guys don't like girls who can shoot their eye off without looking.

@ Senpai - How innocent would they have to be?

I always assumed that was just because Ran's naturally like that. Anyway, would this lead to things such as violence? I also need to show how society is in the bad future. Oh, and most of the "boss fights" are expies of the haremettes. Laura's expy/xerox is a merciless blood knight. Good thing Kazuma's a villain protagonist.

@ Demi - Way too much for a Gen-1.

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-07, 07:42

Uh... last paragraph?

It was originally unarmed. But they took it to test out stuff they wanted for the gen 2 prototype. They just didn't bother to remove all the stuff they stuck on it.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 07:45

Honest and innocent, as in, typical nice guy... okay, maybe nicer and more or less has great sense of acceptance. Someone that can put her on ease most of the time.

But even Gen did just that. That aside, maybe some violence. I don't think random beating up can go unnoticed at all, but probably double standard is even more striking in terms of law enforcement, maybe.

@ Demi
Hmm, I see, trying to much as much stuff as they can... and not thinking about overall efficiency.

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-07, 07:49

Other than the multi-function beam weapons, everything else was basically scaled down tank, gunship, or fixed weapon systems. The actual refinement wouldn't happen until 2nd gen rolled around. A guinea pig so to speak?

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 07:55

Do some girls get afraid of being seen as intimidating?

How subtle does a crapsack world have to be so that the masses are brainwashed except a select few who realize how much it sucks?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-07, 08:00

They apparently used it to their advantage. I don't know if there's benefits of doing it for charming guys however.

Maybe you can search for Tabletop Game Paranoia and knew how suck is that....

Eratas123 · 2012-03-07, 08:06

Most girls are like that?

I'll check it out

Anyway, another question: How weak can the Duplicate/mass-produced Stratos get?

2012-03-07, 06:51	Link #25021
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	No picture is ever given in novel, besides, we can even call ShiroKishi generation Zero, since Gen-1 is directly reverse engineered from White Knight. (at least Ichika claimed) I don't know, we hardly have guys to compare (and we all knew Dan is supposedly bland and unattractive, despite his appearance suggest). However, at the very least I can bet on Cecilia + Badass gentleman and Kanzashi + heroic white prince. __________________

2012-03-07, 06:56	Link #25022
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	So those two would fall for guys other than Ichika? Making a list and hypothesis here. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:00	Link #25023
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Assuming Cecilia really changed her view on men and not Ichika-sexual, there's a good chance she can find a sufficient second love. Kanzashi is a little tricky, but any honest, kind hearted men that accept her as a whole and always support her might have some chance. That's kind of idealistic unless we play the damned cards of political drama (honey trap, betrayal etc... ) __________________

2012-03-07, 07:00	Link #25024
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	If the guys in question fall under the categories that Zero mentioned, most likely. Damnit! Ninja'd! __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-03-07, 07:04	Link #25025
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Charlotte's impossible? __________________

2012-03-07, 07:07	Link #25026
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Not impossible, maybe harder? __________________

2012-03-07, 07:13	Link #25027
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Would any guy even go for them? They seem pretty intimidating. V4 cements it. Just thought of something: Japan's already having problems with romance (Supposedly), so wouldn't the IS make it worse? Love plus was already made for regular Japan, what about Flipped Japan? __________________

2012-03-07, 07:19	Link #25028
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Eh? I remember a pair of delinquents hit on Charlotte rather forcibly, until she twisted their arm. As for the romance, maybe it got worse? Author never actually going deep and serious with this, since this can potentially be a fan disservice (girls act high and mighty, guys having hard time in everything etc) fetish fuel notwithstanding. I'm still thinking about how to portray this, in fact. The first thing mentioned by Dan in his story is Japan's NEGATIVE population growth for a year or two, which translates to "Oh fuck" for government. EDIT: For your information, Love Plus did work, and hell, 2006 marked the history where Japan's population started to grew again. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:29	Link #25029
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	They hit on her solely based on physical appearance. Would most guys hit on her after she did those martial arts and bullet time? Would this increase brother sister rivalries? Unlike before, the sister has a colossal advantage and might always be better than her sibling due to the flip. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:31	Link #25030
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Either the guys is honestly innocent on his crush, a badass with heart of gold, or a masochist... We have a Canon example in form of Dan, it's played for laughs in canon though... __________________

2012-03-07, 07:32	Link #25031
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	I'd probably be even more interested in her after seeing that. Assuming I have no knowledge of her feelings for Ichika, then I have to change up my game. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:36	Link #25032
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Spoiler for for the IS stockpile: Unit designation: Sigma-01 Nicknamed "Wild Mare" armaments: Left arm: 15mm gatling cannon; ammo belts weigh it in into the hundreds of pounds. Right arm: 50mm long range shell cannon; also bulky shoulders: 24-shot homing missile launchers sides: 10-shot homing missiles launchers over 60% of Wild Mare's weight actually just comes from an extensive booster array that makes up for the speed lost from all the equipment weighing it down, as well as propellant for the boosters. Once weapons and boosters are exhausted; they can be purged to free the Wild Mare from dead weight. A last resort weapon on Wild Mare is hidden under the optional arm cannons. A pair of multi-function beam emitters. These weapons are prototypes for the energy weapons soon sought after by countries like England who adapted the energy weapon research into optical weapons. These beam emitters use a movable 'focus' to control the output of the beam weapon into various kinds, like: a beam saber, a beam rifle, a beam cannon and even a beam shield. However it was soon scrapped because of a flaw in the structural cooling. These prototype beam emitters can be fielded but use must be limited within a strict "burn time" and then "cool down" or else the unit may risk exploding and damaging the IS and the pilot. The Wild Mare is a 1st gen IS unit that was used as a precursor of the 2nd gen IS by its frame manufacturers. Originally just a frame composed of gauntlets and leg armor accompanied by a head set and two unattached radar/stabilizer units; it was refurbished to test out the possibility of combat applications. However right from the start, the core for Wild Mare was not user friendly. It was extremely powerful, even compared to its sister cores. IS built with this particular core tended to have abilities beyond the estimated parameters that the frame was supposed to handle. It also has a habit of being uncontrollable, normally resulting in oversteer/under responsiveness, and excessive use of power than intended. A unit for the scrapbook

2012-03-07, 07:37	Link #25033
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	How about, err, recoil issue? Besides, that's too much of mounted weapon considering it's a gen-1... __________________

2012-03-07, 07:39	Link #25034
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Box - You'd be, but most guys don't like girls who can shoot their eye off without looking. @ Senpai - How innocent would they have to be? I always assumed that was just because Ran's naturally like that. Anyway, would this lead to things such as violence? I also need to show how society is in the bad future. Oh, and most of the "boss fights" are expies of the haremettes. Laura's expy/xerox is a merciless blood knight. Good thing Kazuma's a villain protagonist. @ Demi - Way too much for a Gen-1. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:42	Link #25035
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Uh... last paragraph? It was originally unarmed. But they took it to test out stuff they wanted for the gen 2 prototype. They just didn't bother to remove all the stuff they stuck on it.

2012-03-07, 07:45	Link #25036
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Honest and innocent, as in, typical nice guy... okay, maybe nicer and more or less has great sense of acceptance. Someone that can put her on ease most of the time. But even Gen did just that. That aside, maybe some violence. I don't think random beating up can go unnoticed at all, but probably double standard is even more striking in terms of law enforcement, maybe. @ Demi Hmm, I see, trying to much as much stuff as they can... and not thinking about overall efficiency. __________________

2012-03-07, 07:49	Link #25037
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Other than the multi-function beam weapons, everything else was basically scaled down tank, gunship, or fixed weapon systems. The actual refinement wouldn't happen until 2nd gen rolled around. A guinea pig so to speak?

2012-03-07, 07:55	Link #25038
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Do some girls get afraid of being seen as intimidating? How subtle does a crapsack world have to be so that the masses are brainwashed except a select few who realize how much it sucks? __________________

2012-03-07, 08:00	Link #25039
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	They apparently used it to their advantage. I don't know if there's benefits of doing it for charming guys however. Maybe you can search for Tabletop Game Paranoia and knew how suck is that.... __________________

2012-03-07, 08:06	Link #25040
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Most girls are like that? I'll check it out Anyway, another question: How weak can the Duplicate/mass-produced Stratos get? __________________