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Alchemist007 · 2009-09-16, 13:35

I wouldn't say reincarnation. It's just absorption, and the fact they weren't in the capsules like the fat buu, piccolo, etc. was either a plot hole or after a while they get digested D:

Shiroth · 2009-09-23, 04:51

Episode 24: I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. Was some nice new bits of animation for the Vegeta vs Zarbon fight, especially after Zarbon transformed. Such an ugly beast, but wow that power. Vegeta truly does get it handled to him in this fight.

I forgot it was this episode when we see Kaoi-sama's over the top reaction to Freeza being on Namek.

ChainLegacy · 2009-09-24, 17:26

It feels new again, watching one episode a week. Very reminiscent of that childhood excitement that originally got me into anime.

DeX-kun · 2009-09-24, 19:45

Episode 24:

Great episode. I actually felt nostalgic watching Vegeta tout his new founded strength with Zarbon's original form. The fight felt new, it felt like I was watching it for the first time. Good fight, I can't wait for Vegeta to recover and man-handle Zarbon this time around.

One more thing, I almost forgot how evil Vegeta was during this arc, watching him kill all those Namekians without remorse reminded me again. I just realized how much he's really going to change.

roriconfan · 2009-09-25, 03:30

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Originally Posted by DeX-kun

I just realized how much he's really going to change.

He will still go back and forth from cool antagonist to cardboard ally throughout the series. That is after all why I consider him the most interesting character. He has so many mood swings! Picolo had some too but he never reverted and the rest were not canon to beggin with.

Michsi · 2009-09-25, 04:11

I think his change seems so drastic because it was never supposed to happen in the first place. Toriyama himself stated that he decided to keep him in the story because he proved to be popular with the fandom, otherwise I don't think he would've been brought back after his death on Namek. Out of all Goku's ex-enemies he was the most ruthless, the only one that was a true cold blooded killer, even Piccolo didn't seemed like the type that would've gone on a killing spree to attain his goal (unlike his father) and all the others were never really bad guys to begin with.

GDB · 2009-09-25, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Michsi

Out of all Goku's ex-enemies he was the most ruthless, the only one that was a true cold blooded killer

To be fair, and as stated in the abridged version, Vegeta didn't kill anyone on Earth (except Nappa) for close to a decade. In other words, Goku's killed more people than Vegeta (on earth).

Vicious108 · 2009-09-25, 14:02

Vegeta in Namek is at his most awesome IMO. He will side with the good guys if need be, in order to attain his goals, while still being capable of commiting evil acts like he did with that Namek village.

Though Majin Vegeta comes close too.

Michsi · 2009-09-26, 02:27

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Originally Posted by GDB

To be fair, and as stated in the abridged version, Vegeta didn't kill anyone on Earth (except Nappa) for close to a decade. In other words, Goku's killed more people than Vegeta (on earth).

I'm pretty sure that the massacre he did on namek proved that he could've done the same thing on earth had he had the chance to. I also don't see a lot of character change in him during the three year training period before the androids and I think the only reason he "behaved" was because he was either to busy training or because Goku and the others were around. I admit he did mellow down considerably after cell and even said at some point that he came to love the earth but of course then the majin thing happened and, well, you know the rest.

roriconfan · 2009-09-26, 09:34

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Originally Posted by Michsi

Toriyama himself stated that he decided to keep him in the story because he proved to be popular with the fandom, otherwise I don't think he would've been brought back after his death on Namek.

As if there was someone who remained dead in this series.

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I admit he did mellow down considerably after cell and even said at some point that he came to love the earth but of course then the majin thing happened and, well, you know the rest.

Well, if there wasn't a strongest opponent appearing all the time he probably wouldn't mellow down as he would still think he was the strongest. But then again somehow Bulma managed to get to Vejita, so WTF?

roriconfan · 2009-09-26, 09:36

(double post)

Vicious108 · 2009-10-02, 11:39

Just watched episodes 23 and 24. Zarbon's beatdown on Vegeta was even more brutal than I'd remembered. Though it was kinda dumb of him to just leave him there to drown, instead of checking up on him and taking him to Frieza.

And now that I've heard it properly, I gotta say Aya Hirano's Dende is one of the most distinct voices she's done so far in her career. I'm impressed.

And the cliffhanger for 23 was pretty hilarious... the world is in trouble, so let Kuririn remind us that he's never been with a woman in his life. Haha, such an important revelation.

roriconfan · 2009-10-02, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

Though it was kinda dumb of him to just leave him there to drown, instead of checking up on him and taking him to Frieza.

The Evil Overlord list was not written back then. And these kinds of villains trust the readings of a gizmo more that actual facts so what did you expect.

"Ok, the scouter shows no indication. He is dead. No reason to check."

Vicious108 · 2009-10-02, 13:47

Except Zarbon's scouter had long since exploded by then. He didn't trust the readings of anything, but simply his own dumb intuition.

But meh, it is indeed a typical villain thing to do.

roriconfan · 2009-10-02, 15:14

Yes, the good guys were much smarter than the villains. They were not leaving their enemies for dead. They were leaving them alive... so they can fight again in the future.

DeX-kun · 2009-10-02, 15:21

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

Yes, the good guys were much smarter than the villains. They were not leaving their enemies for dead. They were leaving them alive... so they can fight again in the future.

Saiyan blood. It runs thick and floods the brain apparently.

Vicious108 · 2009-10-02, 19:53

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

Yes, the good guys were much smarter than the villains. They were not leaving their enemies for dead. They were leaving them alive... so they can fight again in the future.

Or so they can join the good guys in the fight against even stronger villains later on.

roriconfan · 2009-10-03, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

Or so they can join the good guys in the fight against even stronger villains later on.

Yes, because they were prophets too and knew that even stronger guys will appear later and their nemesis will definately aid them.

Anyway, villains joining heroes is a fail of a plot as it turns them to boring stunts almost every time. And let's face it, DB was always about two characters at the most at any time. All the others were divided between them and had no real personality.

Michsi · 2009-10-04, 02:31

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

Yes, because they were prophets too and knew that even stronger guys will appear later and their nemesis will definately aid them.

Anyway, villains joining heroes is a fail of a plot as it turns them to boring stunts almost every time. And let's face it, DB was always about two characters at the most at any time. All the others were divided between them and had no real personality.

I have only onething to say to that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhWHm1nE-NY
watch it from 1:07 although the entire thing is funny.

RDF2050 · 2009-10-04, 02:40

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Originally Posted by michsi

i have only onething to say to that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwhm1ne-ny
watch it from 1:07 although the entire thing is funny.

sadly true

2009-09-16, 13:35	Link #1021
Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	I wouldn't say reincarnation. It's just absorption, and the fact they weren't in the capsules like the fat buu, piccolo, etc. was either a plot hole or after a while they get digested D: __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

2009-09-23, 04:51	Link #1022
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Episode 24: I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. Was some nice new bits of animation for the Vegeta vs Zarbon fight, especially after Zarbon transformed. Such an ugly beast, but wow that power. Vegeta truly does get it handled to him in this fight. I forgot it was this episode when we see Kaoi-sama's over the top reaction to Freeza being on Namek. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2009-09-24, 19:45	Link #1024
DeX-kun Alto x Ranka :) Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York City	Episode 24: Great episode. I actually felt nostalgic watching Vegeta tout his new founded strength with Zarbon's original form. The fight felt new, it felt like I was watching it for the first time. Good fight, I can't wait for Vegeta to recover and man-handle Zarbon this time around. One more thing, I almost forgot how evil Vegeta was during this arc, watching him kill all those Namekians without remorse reminded me again. I just realized how much he's really going to change. __________________ "Aishiteru ~ I Love You"

2009-09-24, 17:26	Link #1023
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	It feels new again, watching one episode a week. Very reminiscent of that childhood excitement that originally got me into anime.

2009-09-25, 04:11	Link #1026
Michsi Member Join Date: Mar 2009	I think his change seems so drastic because it was never supposed to happen in the first place. Toriyama himself stated that he decided to keep him in the story because he proved to be popular with the fandom, otherwise I don't think he would've been brought back after his death on Namek. Out of all Goku's ex-enemies he was the most ruthless, the only one that was a true cold blooded killer, even Piccolo didn't seemed like the type that would've gone on a killing spree to attain his goal (unlike his father) and all the others were never really bad guys to begin with.

2009-09-25, 14:02	Link #1028
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Vegeta in Namek is at his most awesome IMO. He will side with the good guys if need be, in order to attain his goals, while still being capable of commiting evil acts like he did with that Namek village. Though Majin Vegeta comes close too.

2009-09-26, 09:36	Link #1031
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	(double post)

2009-10-02, 11:39	Link #1032
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Just watched episodes 23 and 24. Zarbon's beatdown on Vegeta was even more brutal than I'd remembered. Though it was kinda dumb of him to just leave him there to drown, instead of checking up on him and taking him to Frieza. And now that I've heard it properly, I gotta say Aya Hirano's Dende is one of the most distinct voices she's done so far in her career. I'm impressed. And the cliffhanger for 23 was pretty hilarious... the world is in trouble, so let Kuririn remind us that he's never been with a woman in his life. Haha, such an important revelation.

2009-10-02, 13:47	Link #1034
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Except Zarbon's scouter had long since exploded by then. He didn't trust the readings of anything, but simply his own dumb intuition. But meh, it is indeed a typical villain thing to do.

2009-10-02, 15:14	Link #1035
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Yes, the good guys were much smarter than the villains. They were not leaving their enemies for dead. They were leaving them alive... so they can fight again in the future.