2008-10-09, 11:29 | Link #221 | |
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Nevertheless, his INTENTION was to protect HER. |
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2008-10-09, 11:34 | Link #222 | |
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You missed the part when he talks to himself and says he was really protecting them from her as he knew she was an esper, thats what his real intent was.
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2008-10-09, 11:42 | Link #224 | |
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LOL
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2008-10-09, 11:47 | Link #225 | |
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Anyway, if you want to go by the spinoff manga (which has a different first-encounter with the delinquents)... He is a Worthy Opponent.
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2008-10-09, 12:39 | Link #227 | |
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00:02:27: I saw a girl being harassed by some delinquents, 00:02:29: thought I'd be a little hero, and that was when my luck ran out. His intention is clear: He wants to help the girl in order to play hero. If he had known Shocker by then, he would have worded it entirely differently. Also, his "luck running out" was clearly that the delinquent's pals were coming back from the toilet. Finally, if it really HAD been his intention to save the delinquents (why the fish should it have been?), why is he running away loudly decrying that this was such a misfortune? No, what confused you was probably this: 00:04:05: (Mikoto) I'm quite adept at taking care of useless Level 0 espers. 00:04:09: (Touma) Yes, I wasn't trying to save her. 00:04:13: I was trying to save the guys that were carelessly trying to approach her. Notice the sequence: Shocker tells Touma that she was able to easily handle the delinquent themselves. To which he responds (in an _inner_ dialogue, circumscribed): Yes, what I tried didn't in effect save her from the delinquents - effectively it saved the guys carelessly trying to approach her. He recognized her when she was demonstrating her powers - not before. (At least, this is how I read the entire sequence, otherwise his opening monologue makes no sense whatsoever) |
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2008-10-09, 12:48 | Link #228 | |
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You should understand how grammar works more I might be a dimwit on it but you cannot write off the final part of the sentence/dialog/paragraph when it overrides or refines what was first said. The "He did it to save her" bit is only factually true if you disregard the last bit, with the last bit the whole thing comes out to him wanting to get them to get away from her for their own good. He says as much altering the intent of what he first said. If thats not clear he intended to save them from a beating using the saving her bit as a reason to do it.
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2008-10-09, 14:30 | Link #232 | |
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However you're right that this contradicts some of his earlier statements about how unfortunate he is. The way I reconciled this was by assuming that he only intended to be chased by one delinquent, not a whole gang. This doesn't make as much sense as I'd prefer though. Anyway, I admit that you may be right, and probably have a bit more ground to stand on, being one of the fansubbers and all. But please acknowledge that your own fansub is what's causing the misunderstanding. The use of the word "try" is not at all ambiguous in English, and can only mean original intent. |
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2008-10-09, 15:00 | Link #233 |
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If he's so aware that she's one of only seven Level 5 espers, why did he start out thinking she needed to be saved?
Also, why does Eclipse still call it "Toaru Majutsu no Index" instead of "To Aru Majutsu no Index"? Or is spacing just up for interpretation?
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2008-10-09, 22:16 | Link #234 |
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Basically, in the beginning Touma is trying to save Mikoto(before he saw her face and realize who she is), so after that, he tries to lure the gangsters away so that they won't be beaten up by her badly. Note: Touma and Mikoto already known each other before this.
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2008-10-10, 01:33 | Link #235 |
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The chain of events go something like this;
-Touma enters restaraunt and sees a delinquent hitting on a Mikoto. -Choosing to "be a little hero" and save him from Mikoto, Touma attempts to bait the delinquent away, but to his misfortune the deliquents buddies come out of the bathroom. -Touma leads them on a merry chase ( iirc the novels imply he knows he should be able to outrun them based on their clothing and him not being a smoker ). -Touma finally rests on the bridge, where Mikoto finds him ( already having zapped the delinquents ). Que bridge scene. |
2008-10-10, 01:53 | Link #236 |
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And how exactly do they know each other? If they already knew each other, why would
a)...Touma explain to her he's a level 0. b)...Mikoto explain her Railgun. c)...why she would be shocked(>.>) to see Touma nullify her attack? d)...why didn't she greet him the same way as their second meeting? Obviously it could be determined that he knew OF Mikoto(though I don't think this was so in the manga), which is why he might have wanted to save the deliquents from her, but I don't think that was his original intention, since I'd have to doubt that he can discern a person whom he never personally met from the back of their head. |
2008-10-10, 02:09 | Link #237 | |
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seems to me like more and more people are being dragged-in by this dilemma .
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and his 'Note:' doesn't make sense to me at all. If he claims that they both known each other, then, be it her behind appearance would still be recognized by Touma, yet, he still attempt to save her? heck, if i has a friend like her i'd be terrified to just forget her shadows figure |
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2008-10-10, 04:52 | Link #238 | ||
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Hah...... Whatever................... Tch Well, I hope those subs keep it that way... Or this series really will forever be known as "To Aru" instead of "Toaru"... Wai~ Quote:
Spoiler for unexplained in anime:
Why they explained everything...? They changed some of the dialogue (the a part)... b... d... Don't know. c... Good ol' JC Staff. Just clearing up the whole saving Mikoto/Delinquents thing using the novel... Spoiler for novel (...though event has passed):
Though I guess the anime changed the dialogue as well, it seems, if I can remember... Mah...
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2008-10-10, 07:41 | Link #239 |
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WHere have I heard this argument befor...oh yes "I voted for it before I voted against it"....
All I can say is his true intention was reveled when he reveled that he was trying to get the punks away from the rageing damsel.
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