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Jinto · 2010-10-22, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Hooves

98.2% say yes, while 1.2% say no... Yet they still want the votes of the "silent majority" which will make absolutely no difference compared to those numbers? What exactly is the point? There is either gonna be no response from the silent majority, or it will only boost the no (if they actually say that) by 1.6% which will make it 2.8%, which overall is slaughtered by the 98.2%...

According to your logic australia has just about 60,000 human inhabitants.

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2010-10-22, 03:11

Lol silent majority. Since when was that so important

I've never heard of anyone taking account of a silent majority. I think someone behind the scenes is calling the shots here. That or perhaps someone is in denial of the fact that they're either pervs (in the case of pervy games) or simply don't like the idea of graphical games. So I have to ask, why don't they extend the argument to movies and other forms of entertainment? I bet Piranhas 3d was shown in Australian theaters, so games like L4D2 and other R18+ games should be permitted to float around in their genuine versions. Roger Rambo said it right, since when did Australian politics become so anal after getting colonized by convicts?

Vexx · 2010-10-22, 07:58

Witch hunters like to pretend they're the leader of the mob. Somewhere here there is a group of people absolutely panicked that someone somewhere might be having fun. And we all know that burning witches is a great distraction while we loot your granaries, your treasury, and your future.

Jinto · 2010-10-22, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Witch hunters like to pretend they're the leader of the mob. Somewhere here there is a group of people absolutely panicked that someone somewhere might be having fun. And we all know that burning witches is a great distraction while we loot your granaries, your treasury, and your future.

Yep has always worked... until things got very messy (revolution).

ganbaru · 2010-10-22, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Jinto

Yep has always worked... until things got very messy (revolution).

At least with revoltion the ''witch hunter'' might end up the same way thar theit victim.

SaintessHeart · 2010-10-22, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Jinto

Yep has always worked... until things got very messy (revolution).

Not if all the witches are burned before the revolution starts.

ganbaru · 2010-10-22, 11:49

Three killed, 6 wounded in stabbing at Philippine elementary school
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1768688/

sa547 · 2010-10-22, 12:34

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

Three killed, 6 wounded in stabbing at Philippine elementary school
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1768688/

Also: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...school-kills-3
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...CategoryId=200

That damned psycho, he got stoned. Wondering what triggered to go mad like that, except it's like every other school rampage around the world.

MeoTwister5 · 2010-10-22, 12:37

Despite being being poor, we don't actually get a lot of this murderous school violence very often, except for the usual frat-related deaths over at the UP campus. Otherwise school related deaths here are kind of rare.

Anh_Minh · 2010-10-22, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinto

Yep has always worked... until things got very messy (revolution).

At which point it keeps working, though possibly for a different set of people.

ganbaru · 2010-10-22, 15:44

French Senate approves raising retirement age to 62
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769213/
All those days of strike against it... and the british might raise the retirement age to 66.

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2010-10-22, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganbaru

French Senate approves raising retirement age to 62
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769213/
All those days of strike against it... and the british might raise the retirement age to 66.

Well, good thing I don't intend to spend my retirement in the UK

Anh_Minh · 2010-10-22, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganbaru

French Senate approves raising retirement age to 62
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769213/
All those days of strike against it... and the british might raise the retirement age to 66.

It's somewhat more complicated than that. We've got two milestones when it comes to retirement. One at 60 (now 62), where you can retire with a full pension - if you've worked for at least 41 years. The other's at 65 (now 67) where everyone can retire.

Vexx · 2010-10-23, 00:17

Its kind of odd, the closer I get to "retirement", the less interested I am in it. I've already "de-corporatized" (not a cog in a Dilbert-distopian machine) so now its more an issue of keeping multiple revenue streams going.

Jinto · 2010-10-23, 01:06

I know Vexx, in your case you really have a point. But imagine someone who has to do hard labor his whole life, like for example construction workers. Can you imagine someone is working to 67 in a lower ranking position (no administrational or paper filling job) in construction or e.g. mining business? I am sure the health factor becomes a very important one here in the process of reaching retirement age (in Germany there is no 62 years step - if you want to have full pension you have to work until 67 for males and 65 for females).
Besides, employers in various businesses usually don't want to have people that old employed. Which - on average - makes it a lot harder now to stay employed until retirement age. So, in a sense, the state calculates a certain failrate of people in here, who basically have to retire earlier - which means they get a fraction of their pension. This is akin to state designed old-age poverty in many cases.
Thats the real problem in our state funded pension systems.

Vexx · 2010-10-23, 01:22

Totally agreed - especially on the hard labor aspect. In fact, one of the reasons I am "decorporatized" and basically free-lancing (software, computer maintenance, consulting, tutoring, oddjobs, etc) is basically age/experience discrimination. I was being passed over for employment I was qualified to the hilt for - because their HR people couldn't cope with the notion I was willing to work for less than I'd been paid at previous work... or that I'd be 'unmanageable'

because of my management experience in addition to my technical experience. Not my speculation, I know a few people in HR and they admit the problem is rampant in US corporations.

SaintessHeart · 2010-10-23, 06:20

I am not sure if the culture there (in Karlsland and Liberion) is whether people wanted to retire or not when the reach the age of 60, but here, it seems that those born after the 1980s wanted to retire, while those born before that didn't wanted to. Over here we don't have a state-funded pension system, it is more like a social insurance where the government forces both the worker and employer to make a contribution to it.

And also, it seems that the culture in Western countries do not appoint amakudari-type positions to government or ex-government workers upon request; I have a teacher in my high school who was an ex-prison officer of high rank.

And I accidentally crossed his path once by quoting a counter to what he is trying to teach, and I am actually quite surprised that he didn't blast me like how my secondary school teachers would.

There is a NCO who I had once worked with near his retirement during my NS told me that there are two kinds of retirement : an official one and a self-imposed one, and the real retirement is self-imposed one - as long as the person wants to do something that he likes, and is willing to go to ends to search for it no matter his age, he will find it.

I am not sure how many see value or truth in his statement, somehow I do agree with him.

MeoTwister5 · 2010-10-23, 06:25

I don't know about you guys but I intend to continue practicing to my death bed, even if I can't hear through my stethoscope anymore.

SaintessHeart · 2010-10-23, 06:33

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I don't know about you guys but I intend to continue practicing to my death bed, even if I can't hear through my stethoscope anymore.

That is the direct opposite of the Hippocratic oath you are practicing, so remind me that I don't want to be your patient 40 years down the road.

I intend to "de-corporatise" myself after I have proven myself to be financially independent and become a freelance journalist/musician/artist - I enjoy planning my own work time without any obligations.

Meanwhile, I am saving up enough money to play the stock market - I HAVE to start to learn how to control real money instead of paper ones because I don't feel any fear or greed cornering the forex market on demo accounts.

Anh_Minh · 2010-10-23, 06:33

I intend to prepare my retirement so that I have that option when I come of age. It'll always be time to decide whether I want to keep on working then.

2010-10-22, 07:58	Link #9483
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Witch hunters like to pretend they're the leader of the mob. Somewhere here there is a group of people absolutely panicked that someone somewhere might be having fun. And we all know that burning witches is a great distraction while we loot your granaries, your treasury, and your future. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-10-22, 11:49	Link #9487
ganbaru books-eater youkai Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity	Three killed, 6 wounded in stabbing at Philippine elementary school http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1768688/ __________________

2010-10-22, 12:37	Link #9489
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Despite being being poor, we don't actually get a lot of this murderous school violence very often, except for the usual frat-related deaths over at the UP campus. Otherwise school related deaths here are kind of rare. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2010-10-22, 15:44	Link #9491
ganbaru books-eater youkai Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity	French Senate approves raising retirement age to 62 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769213/ All those days of strike against it... and the british might raise the retirement age to 66. __________________

2010-10-23, 00:17	Link #9494
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Its kind of odd, the closer I get to "retirement", the less interested I am in it. I've already "de-corporatized" (not a cog in a Dilbert-distopian machine) so now its more an issue of keeping multiple revenue streams going. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-10-22, 03:11	Link #9482
~~Tsuyoshi~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Great Justice	Lol silent majority. Since when was that so important I've never heard of anyone taking account of a silent majority. I think someone behind the scenes is calling the shots here. That or perhaps someone is in denial of the fact that they're either pervs (in the case of pervy games) or simply don't like the idea of graphical games. So I have to ask, why don't they extend the argument to movies and other forms of entertainment? I bet Piranhas 3d was shown in Australian theaters, so games like L4D2 and other R18+ games should be permitted to float around in their genuine versions. Roger Rambo said it right, since when did Australian politics become so anal after getting colonized by convicts?

2010-10-23, 01:06	Link #9495
Jinto Asuki-tan Kairin ↓ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fürth (GER) Age: 43	I know Vexx, in your case you really have a point. But imagine someone who has to do hard labor his whole life, like for example construction workers. Can you imagine someone is working to 67 in a lower ranking position (no administrational or paper filling job) in construction or e.g. mining business? I am sure the health factor becomes a very important one here in the process of reaching retirement age (in Germany there is no 62 years step - if you want to have full pension you have to work until 67 for males and 65 for females). Besides, employers in various businesses usually don't want to have people that old employed. Which - on average - makes it a lot harder now to stay employed until retirement age. So, in a sense, the state calculates a certain failrate of people in here, who basically have to retire earlier - which means they get a fraction of their pension. This is akin to state designed old-age poverty in many cases. Thats the real problem in our state funded pension systems. __________________ Folding@Home, Team Animesuki

2010-10-23, 01:22	Link #9496
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Totally agreed - especially on the hard labor aspect. In fact, one of the reasons I am "decorporatized" and basically free-lancing (software, computer maintenance, consulting, tutoring, oddjobs, etc) is basically age/experience discrimination. I was being passed over for employment I was qualified to the hilt for - because their HR people couldn't cope with the notion I was willing to work for less than I'd been paid at previous work... or that I'd be 'unmanageable' because of my management experience in addition to my technical experience. Not my speculation, I know a few people in HR and they admit the problem is rampant in US corporations. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-10-23, 06:20	Link #9497
SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	I am not sure if the culture there (in Karlsland and Liberion) is whether people wanted to retire or not when the reach the age of 60, but here, it seems that those born after the 1980s wanted to retire, while those born before that didn't wanted to. Over here we don't have a state-funded pension system, it is more like a social insurance where the government forces both the worker and employer to make a contribution to it. And also, it seems that the culture in Western countries do not appoint amakudari-type positions to government or ex-government workers upon request; I have a teacher in my high school who was an ex-prison officer of high rank. And I accidentally crossed his path once by quoting a counter to what he is trying to teach, and I am actually quite surprised that he didn't blast me like how my secondary school teachers would. There is a NCO who I had once worked with near his retirement during my NS told me that there are two kinds of retirement : an official one and a self-imposed one, and the real retirement is self-imposed one - as long as the person wants to do something that he likes, and is willing to go to ends to search for it no matter his age, he will find it. I am not sure how many see value or truth in his statement, somehow I do agree with him. __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

2010-10-23, 06:25	Link #9498
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	I don't know about you guys but I intend to continue practicing to my death bed, even if I can't hear through my stethoscope anymore. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2010-10-23, 06:33	Link #9500
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I intend to prepare my retirement so that I have that option when I come of age. It'll always be time to decide whether I want to keep on working then.