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2010-11-01, 22:32 | Link #9622 | |
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japan does not new generation of japanese men don't have the same drive as their predecessors and they're now effectively effeminated. come on... japanese used to be the 'economic animal' of asia. these days they're just coasting along. I guess the japanese are in for a 3rd Lost Decade. |
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2010-11-01, 22:33 | Link #9624 |
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If you're asking if I know what Progressive-Socialism then let me rest assure you that I most certainly do.
I've been getting The Progressive since the mid 1990s to keep up on which candidates they support, why, and how much influence they have on them. Now I'll admit that there are certainly Progressive-Corporatists, but they're usually of the Republican ilk, like Nixon, Bush jr., or way back to Teddy Roosevelt. @Kamui4356: Nah, I think the hard core Libertarian/Anarchists of the Tea Pary view him as more of a Corporate stooge or Neo-Con.
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2010-11-01, 22:39 | Link #9627 | |
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... unless of course, you mean "community minded" to be "progressive".... hmmm?
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2010-11-01, 22:45 | Link #9629 |
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Soros is for Soros just as Murdoch is for Murdoch. Applying labels is a way not to have to think hard about a subject. If people are going to insist on using broken dictionaries rather than discussing specifically what they have problems with, then I'm not going to take them very seriously and neither will anyone else who is actually thinking about the problems.
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2010-11-01, 23:01 | Link #9630 |
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But the results haven't been disappointing. They've just been portrayed as such by the media because the results aren't instant. The fact is without things like the bailout, we'd be in great depression 2 right now. I'll remind you that sequels are always worse than the original. Seriously, that's how bad the financial situation was.
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2010-11-01, 23:16 | Link #9631 | |
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I don't see a massive exspansion of corporations under Obama, nor do I see corporations taking over government functions through privatization. In fact I see him seizing portions of the economy and bringing it under heavier government regulation. Cap and Trade, the Health Care Law, and the Financial Reform bill do not appear Corporatist to me. I could be wrong, but those three legislative measures are more about government control of business rather than a marriage between business and government. I never mentioned Eisenhower. I said Bush Jr. and we all know that George Bush Junior was very friendly with Big Oil. Teddy was very friendly with big-business as well. Gabriel Kolko’s groundbreaking book The Triumph of Conservatism explains how government expanded to help rather than hinder Corporate interests during the Progressive-Era. Roosevelt was very much involved in government working with corporations in order to maximize profits for said businesses. Unless you're using a different definition than I am, I'm positive that's Corporatism. As for Nixon, the "War on Drugs" is a direct result of him. That was a Progressive (in the Fabian sense, i.e. incrementalism) move to shut out drugs which were IMO, in direct competition with Pharmaceutical companies. Like Marijuana for example which can be used to treat cancer, and other ailments without the side effects of Pharmaceuticals. I guess I should clarify. When I say Progressive-Socialist I mean people who are using the Fabian model to slowly implement socialism through legislation. That's been going on since Woodrow Wilson. Hope that clarifies my position for you.
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Health Care Law does not even feature a public option when it was supposed to. That was a compromise, by the way. So I don't see how the law was 'progressive' in anyway, or how it affected the health industry to the degree you're saying. Half the effects of the law haven't even started yet. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Cap and Trade didn't even go through and has already died in the Senate, why are you bringing imaginary stuff up as an argument? By the way, big oil supported it, probably because they had subsidiaries in the green energy field. Quote:
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2010-11-02, 04:07 | Link #9633 |
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Canada agrees to take Khadr back
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1781699/
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2010-11-02, 05:06 | Link #9634 | ||
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They should do. The pharmaceutical industry is a place where you could make tons of profit because everyone needs health care. That's why health insurance is so expensive and not accessible to everyone. People want to make money from it because it's something everyone needs. Thinking of it in economic terms, the demand for health care is really high, which will drive the price up because it becomes more scarce as more people consume health care goods and services. That's what the vast majority of pharmaceutical companies are doing. Seems rather corporatist to me. |
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2010-11-02, 09:46 | Link #9639 |
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I think the closer one would be Trump rather than Soros. Both he and Buffett went through alot of shit to build their wealth.
They are more market smart than connection smart (remember the Lehman hearing a few months ago which pulled Buffett in as a witness? He screwed himself up totally by slamming the share buyers - goes to show he completely suck at PR). But then again, the public are more likely to slam the ones who build their wealth from shithole level up than to blame themselves for being greedy. Typical human behaviour.
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2010-11-02, 11:54 | Link #9640 |
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Google suing the government... I'm curious as to what some others thoughts are on this.
http://mashable.com/2010/11/02/google-doi-lawsuit/
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