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2006-06-03, 22:31 | Link #65 | |
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You know, I was thinking about this topic, and her voice actress, Tanaka Rie. Since Gundam SEED Destiny, Tanaka Rie has been in a few other roles in recent anime. Ones that stick out are Mai Otome as Tomoe and Fia, and Astrea Testament as Sister Lain/Leandra. All of those characters have inherit "evil-ness" or "dislikable qualities" to them. Tomoe is a possessive psychopath, Fia follows orders regardless of what they are (oh no that's so horrible? lol whatever...), and Leandra is trying to destroy Princess Adale; Adale is Lacus-like in the sense of her Mary Sue-ness... maybe Lacus wore her out of goody two shoes roles? |
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2006-06-04, 00:18 | Link #66 |
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First of all, Shinn being "skilled" enough to beat down five destroys? He went in there going RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH, CHOP CHOP!! and it WORKED...and to great efficiency might I add...I mean when you have something so BIG AND SLOW as a destroy, Shinn's fighting style actually TRUMPS Kira's and Athrun's.
But you CAN'T RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH, CHOP CHOP a Freedom or a Justice. They're just too manueverable to do that! In case you need a reminder, go check the part where Shinn kills Sting. You call THAT calm and collected and analytical? Heck, I think Shinn was more calmed down and strategic against Kira and Athrun when working with Rey than against the Destroys. As for Kira being sent to Lacus, PLEASE stop dismissing everything you don't explicitly see as a plot hole. The Astray Manga made it perfectly clear...here, I'll give you nonbelievers the rundown, AGAIN: 1) Strike and Aegis have fight, Aegis and Strike go boom. 2) Lowe LIFTS Kira out of Strike's cockpit and LUGS him over to Malchio's. 3) Malchio SEES Kira's dogtag and RECOGNIZES the name. It was a name that LACUS described as being a VERY GOOD PERSON. 4) Malchio CONTACTS Lacus about Kira. 5) Lacus says to SEND KIRA UP TO HER. 6) You know the rest. If I had the mangas here at home with me, I'd scan the pages...but since it's me being a cheap bastard, I read em all at barnes and noble...or was it borders? As for Lacus being such a shining "Mary Sue"...well, when your villains are just that evil, you need your heroes to be just that good. When you're going up against vastly superior armies in terms of numbers, you need god suits to bridge that gap, and a goddess at the helm to make sure everything is in tip-top shape. That's what happens when you use heroes to bridge gaps that big. The heroes=gods. That said, I happen to like Lacus BECAUSE of who she is. She's sweet, soft-spoken, and all-around fills the CE universe with lots of happy pink...including the dust from Freedom's wings.
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2006-06-04, 03:55 | Link #69 | |
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But when you start putting into action genocidal plans, I'm sorry, but whatever misfortune happens to you, you had it coming! |
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2006-06-04, 04:28 | Link #70 | |
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Second, see above. Third, what do you mean, ultimate evil? The EA was portrayed as being the ultimate evil in GSD. The EA was ruled by racists and weapon merchants. The EA's goal was to kill every last coordinator. The EA built the Destroys and Requem, not to mention trying to nuke PLANT early on. ZAFT and Dullindal, evil though they might be, were portayed at several points as being simply misguided. (The episode 29 clip show, for example) The Clyne faction fought the EA three times in the entire series (the two ambushes on the Minerva and the battle against the first Destroy) while they fought ZAFT six times (the two ambushes on the Minerva, Operation Angel Down, the Eternal's flight from the asteroid, the Second Battle of Orb, and the final battle) Forth, my problem is not with their power. My problem is with their invinciblity. While the Clyne faction would need power to defeat ZAFT, they recieve no losses in the final battle (yes I know that a DOM and a ZAKU get damaged in Final Plus, but that's it.) While extreme power is an aproprate counter for extreme numbers, that does mean that the side with extreme numbers should get some respect and victories. Watch GaoGaiGar FINAL sometime. The main hero, Guy, has an infinate power source, but he still gets hurt and damaged during the fighting, and in the end, he has to sacrifice everything for victory. Finally, calm down. I'm not trying to insult you here. I'm just staiting the reasons why I believe Lacus to be, as the titile of the thread states, a plot hole character, and why I, personally, don't like her. If you do like her despite, or even because of, all that, more power to you. However, remember the character I described in my earilier post? I just want to know whether, if a character liked that appeared in the next Gundam SEED, you could like her? Well, could you? |
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2006-06-04, 13:43 | Link #74 |
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I think there are two kinds of like/dislike we aren't separating properly here...
One is the like/dislike of... I'm not sure how to say this... personal qualities? For example, you can, IRL, like nice people, or people who like rock'n'roll, or whatever. And that taste will show in what anime characters you like (or dislike). The other is the like/dislike for the role they have in stories. As in, do they make the story Cool, or Stupid. For example, if, in GS3 ep1, Son Goku arrives from the DBZ universe, destroys the Earth and Plants with his bare hands, and goes back home - it'll make the story Stupid, and we'll all start disliking Son Goku for reasons which have nothing to do with his personality. I look at Lacus with the first point of view, and that's why I like her: she's nice, soft spoken, idealistic, determined, and so on. All qualities I find admirable in RL people. As for the second point of view: it's true that her plans Just Work, when they ought to get her killed. But: 1) I don't care, because I'm not watching Gundam for a lesson in strategy or politics. If I wanted that, I'd read history books. 2) When that sort of thing happens, and I care, I blame the writer(s), not any specific character of theirs. I don't say "this character sucks", I say "the story sucks". |
2006-06-04, 14:25 | Link #76 | |
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As for losses, I'm sure the Clyne Faction lost some grunts, just like everyone else did . But as for aces, well, that's what makes them aces. That they DON'T get shot down.
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2006-06-04, 14:26 | Link #77 | |
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2006-06-04, 14:34 | Link #78 | ||
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2006-06-04, 19:07 | Link #79 | |
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It would be funny if she becomes some sort of twisted version of Hamman in Seed 3 (Hopefully it will never happen), and her lapdogs Athrun and Kira piloting Gazu L and R "gundams" on her side. |
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2006-06-05, 03:23 | Link #80 |
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I agree with Demongod, and guys, you haven't seen the end of Gundam Seed.
Remember they are planning a third season and some movies even, I heard. Did any of you watch Gundam Wing? That had some invincible heros too but they eventually died. You need great heros to defeat great foes, and I'm getting sick of the cliche "uber extremely powerful villain that you manage to defeat by LUCK not skill and he manages to kill three girls you loved, your mother, your father, your best friend, half of your country's army and 30% of Earth's population". It's just been EXTREMELY depressing in the anime universe, and I'm refreshed that people like Kira/Lacus exist. They're so PERFECT TOGETHER as a team/couple that their ideals and skills compliment each other. Also, in this particular universe, it's not far fetched for Lacus to have as much an influence as she does. For one: She's not just beautiful, she's a beautiful singer too. She's touched people's hearts with her songs. Now sure, one might say in TODAY's day and age/media, it wouldn't be possible for a singer to accomplish that, but to that I ask you, how is media in today's world anyway? I stopped listening to modern music. You know why? Most of the singers/entertainers in today's media disgust me. If we actually HAD a singer like Lacus in our reality, it might not be that far fetched that she'd have political influence. Look at 50 Cent. He's a lot more than just a rapper. Sure, rap music sucks right now and so does 50 CEnt's, but that doesn't change how powerful his influence is. In New York he's untouchable, a lot of people want him dead that can't kill him, he makes over 60 million dollars a year AFTER taxes/deductions. He's 100% real, you can even meet him if you want. The only difference is 50 Cent is 26/27 and Lacus was 16 when this all happened, but in the Gundam Seed universe a LOT of things happen 10 years in advance to what happens in our universe. For one, a lot of 15-18 year olds in Gundam Seed are the most skilled pilots of Gundams. There are also young captains, young fighters, young politicians. What I ask you- OP- Is this... Is today's policy actually working? Sure most of our politicians are old, experienced, aged, not talented, not singers, not good looking, but then I ask you... Are today's politicians even GOOD? Bush is US president and he's BLOWING right now. A lot of our soldiers are across the seas dying, for OIL and WAL MART, he has a 30% support percentage in the US. Maybe young politicians isn't so unbelievable after all. Especially when you factor that with age comes a lot of other things other than experience- Worn out body, worn out senses, loss of brain cells, lost reaction time/reflexes, power trip. I'm with the believers, and it's not because I like Lacus. I think Lacus/Kira are great together, but my harem girl in this anime is Lunamaria and my favorite character is Athrun, not Kira. I think Kira/Lacus are believable because they're what's needed to fight the foes they face. And I don't think they're invincible either, I just think Destiny was "their" time. When the next GS series comes out, you'll see that your heros aren't in fact invincible at all. |
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