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Old 2017-07-23, 09:33   Link #741
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I think there needs to be a conscious effort. Otherwise someone could have stolen All Might's power simply by doing what Stain does - cutting him and licking the blood. Not to mention how boring his sex life would have been ...
That was one of my theories, but the only count against it is that All Might specifically warns Deku about others coming after him and taking his power for themselves. This suggesting that giving One for All to another doesn't have to be a willing gesture, and thus there might not be a concious effort involved.

I'm actually thinking it might be my third theory: that Midoriya's abilities are undeveloped fully and until he becomes fully "mature" (basically undergoing OfA puberty), the quirk can't be given away.

This also makes sense in the fact that Midoriya right now is just learning to make the power his own, he hasn't built on it at all. The whole point of OfA is to have the fullest potential of a person's strength added to all the others that have come before you and then give it to the next person. If there is no cultivation, then the OfA is no different from when All Might gave it to Deku. OfA could put an inhibitor on Deku's DNA until a certain threshold of power and strength is achieved and he becomes mature in his usage of his quirk. At that point the inhibitor would disappear and his DNA would now be capable of passing on the quirk to another.

All this talk also has me ask the question of could OfA be passed to a holder's offspring? So far none of the holders we've seen thus far have had any kids.
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Old 2017-07-23, 09:41   Link #742
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According to All Might it can be anything, as long as Deku takes in his DNA. He chose hair because it was the least disgusting thing to eat. But blood would be teaming with DNA, you're 100% assured of finding it there, where hair is a less sure bet since it would have to include the root complete with tag.
Maybe the writer has different ideas about it than you do? In addition, we again are unsure of the logistics involved. Even if it requires "conscious effort", such things can perhaps be forced or coerced. Or they might try to end the cycle to prevent more powerful heroes from appearing. It might be best if people don't know in the first place.
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Old 2017-07-23, 10:59   Link #743
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Yeah, even if the effort is conscious, there's always a risk of someone trying to torture you for it. It's still a secret to be guarded carefully.
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Old 2017-07-23, 17:55   Link #744
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Yeah, I mean, if it got out that you could get All Might's Quirk from Izuku, I give him a week before someone captures and tortures him to get it. In a worse case scenario, a Villain gets it. Or they kill Izuku so that it no one else has it.
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Old 2017-07-23, 18:40   Link #745
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I assume All Might will not be involved in this arc, but if he showed up and Deku was using Full Cowling, would All Might have less power? I other words, do the two share one limited source of energy? I would guess so since there is not a One for All corps and the name of the power implies that it can only be used by one person, but clearly it is used by two of them now, although Deku probably does not tap as deeply into it yet.

Just speculation for me since I have not seen the source material, if any.
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Old 2017-07-23, 20:01   Link #746
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Umm... we can't answer that without spoiling it, but its addressed in the manga.
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Old 2017-07-23, 20:49   Link #747
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I assume All Might will not be involved in this arc, but if he showed up and Deku was using Full Cowling, would All Might have less power? I other words, do the two share one limited source of energy? I would guess so since there is not a One for All corps and the name of the power implies that it can only be used by one person, but clearly it is used by two of them now, although Deku probably does not tap as deeply into it yet.

Just speculation for me since I have not seen the source material, if any.
But Deku is only using 5% right? I'd doubt that'd put any kind of damper in All Might's true power(which I doubt he can even fully tap into the other 95% as he is now, given the League of Villains attack from the 1st season).
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Old 2017-07-23, 21:51   Link #748
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I assume All Might will not be involved in this arc, but if he showed up and Deku was using Full Cowling, would All Might have less power? I other words, do the two share one limited source of energy? I would guess so since there is not a One for All corps and the name of the power implies that it can only be used by one person, but clearly it is used by two of them now, although Deku probably does not tap as deeply into it yet.

Just speculation for me since I have not seen the source material, if any.
From what I can tell, One for All seems to have an inverse reaction between the current holder and the previous one. Both of them have the power at the same time, but the stronger one gets, the other gets weaker.
So, as of now, I'm going to guess that as of right now, there does indeed seem to be a limited source of power that is being passed piece by piece from one person to another. I'm thinking that either once Deku is able to use his quirk to its full potential and then build on it himself, OR if All Might dies. at that point, all of One for All's power with shift from All Might to Deku and there will be only one OfA user.

But that does beg the question of if OfA can only be given to one person, or if multiple people can inherit it at one time? They've never explored that angle at all so far.
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Old 2017-07-24, 05:54   Link #749
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From what I can tell, One for All seems to have an inverse reaction between the current holder and the previous one. Both of them have the power at the same time, but the stronger one gets, the other gets weaker.
So, as of now, I'm going to guess that as of right now, there does indeed seem to be a limited source of power that is being passed piece by piece from one person to another. I'm thinking that either once Deku is able to use his quirk to its full potential and then build on it himself, OR if All Might dies. at that point, all of One for All's power with shift from All Might to Deku and there will be only one OfA user.

But that does beg the question of if OfA can only be given to one person, or if multiple people can inherit it at one time? They've never explored that angle at all so far.
One imagines, either it can't, or it can but that would dilute the power and so it's just not done.
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Old 2017-07-24, 10:10   Link #750
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You guys might want to analyze this again. So far the anime has shown us a few details about All Might becoming weaker. First, he is growing progressively weaker over time ever since passing on One for All to Deku. That is to say that the more time that passes since the moment he passed the quirk on, the weaker All Might has become, with no sign that it's related to Deku's own displays of power. Second, when All Might himself overdoes it, using extreme amounts of power (see the fight with Nomu), he grows even weaker afterwards as a result, and stays weaker, regardless of what Deku does or does not do.

These details do not seem to support your theory that the power is split between All Might and Deku.
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Old 2017-07-24, 11:39   Link #751
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You guys might want to analyze this again. So far the anime has shown us a few details about All Might becoming weaker. First, he is growing progressively weaker over time ever since passing on One for All to Deku. That is to say that the more time that passes since the moment he passed the quirk on, the weaker All Might has become, with no sign that it's related to Deku's own displays of power. Second, when All Might himself overdoes it, using extreme amounts of power (see the fight with Nomu), he grows even weaker afterwards as a result, and stays weaker, regardless of what Deku does or does not do.

These details do not seem to support your theory that the power is split between All Might and Deku.
Well, it could also be simply time as you say, but All Might does specifically say that as Deku becomes stronger, he will become weaker, but that might be hyperbole.

The problem is that that there is another variable at work here that is complicating things. All Might has been crippled by a horrific injury, which in and of itself is vastly robbing him of his strength. The more he overexerts himself, the more it taxes on his body and thus the weaker he gets. The surgeries he endured pretty much destroyed his normal muscle mass. He's lost a lung which means he's working with a lot less oxygenation and his one lung is working overtime. That combination alone is what cuts his ability to fight. He fights like a super athlete, and yet has lost most of what an athlete relies on to keep moving. Put that with the fact that he's lost his entire stomach, which while is not life threatening, also taxes your body and how much nutrient it can take in.

All that adds up, and All Might asking so much of his already compromised body has drastic consequences. I think that separate variable is what causes the huge jumps in power loss. It's less that One for All is being passed on, but more so that his body just can't handle it anymore.
The power that goes to Midoriya at the same time, also speeds up things on top of that.
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Old 2017-07-24, 11:46   Link #752
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All Might seems to be getting weaker. Why is not completely laid out for us. We know that his injury was sapping his power before he even met Deku and that overuse of his powers make it even worse. And we have seen him overuse his power several times recently so how much effect passing his power on has had on him is hard to tell.

Going by what he said to Deku when he passed the power on it sounded like the power would shift over as Deku used it more until he had it all. But did that mean power level that Deku used or is it based on time? If based on power level I doubt All Might could really tell the difference so far. If based on time who knows?
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Old 2017-07-24, 13:10   Link #753
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Last I checked, All Might's muscle form is like 2 hours or so?
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Old 2017-07-24, 13:24   Link #754
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Last I checked, All Might's muscle form is like 2 hours or so?
50 minutes now. It was three hours when the series started, but after the fight with Nomu he became unable to hold it more than 50 minutes.
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Old 2017-07-24, 20:11   Link #755
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yea, All Might's transformation duration gets lower and lower as Deku's usage of power gets higher.

Feels like as Deku progress and gets the hang of using One-For-All and begins to put out more power, All Might might actually retire.
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Old 2017-07-24, 20:23   Link #756
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Well i'm not sure how much ALL might's weakness is tied to Deku's growth. He did indeed experience a drop in power after he passed his powers on to Deku (i beleive he said the amount of time he could stay in power was cut in half after passing on the power), but his most recent drop in power came from over-exerting himself against the villains. We do have to remember that a lot of his power loss is the result of his terrible physical condition form the injury he received years ago, a condition that could be made worst by pushing himself too hard; All Might has been losing power for years before he even met Deku. Deku is NOT the only factor here... Its possible that, if it was not for those injuries, ALL might might have been able to keep operating as a hero even though the power was passed on to Deku; granted he might only have half power while Deku is full powered, but he might have still been able to keep going into old age

Y'know speaking of All Might and Deku, one thing that has bugged me a bit is how the power doesn't look the same. When ALL might activates his power he simply get's muscular, but when Deku activates his power we see the power course through him and more recently we see green electricity. When ALL might powers down, we see smoke, but we got nothing similar for Deku... Its just something that bugs me as it feels like an inconsistency
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Old 2017-07-24, 20:51   Link #757
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All Might isn't getting big because of OFA though; that's actually his natural form.

Full Cowl actually seems less outwardly intense compared to how Deku was using it before. Perhaps as he masters OFA he'll manifest less outwardly indications.
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Old 2017-07-24, 21:17   Link #758
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All Might isn't getting big because of OFA though; that's actually his natural form.
Is it confirmed tho? While seeing Deku's lightning effects after using his quirk, my guess is that the visual manifestation of the OFA comes in different ways depending on it's user. All Might never shown sparkly effects like Deku and in one of the Gran Torino's flashbacks we saw a young All Might being punched without having a body with a massive ammount of muscles. Granted, he might have done some bodybuilding later in his life tho . But losing muscles after not using OFA does not seem very natural to me... maybe it's just for the cool shonen style or maybe it's indeed something related to OFA and it's effects on the user.
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Whatever the split of power is between the previous and current holder of OfA when coexisting, I'm pretty sure the end result of the inheriting process is the death of the original holder, especially with Gran Torino and the Nurse whose name I forgot remarks about All Might getting weaker and the fate of the 7th holder.
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Old 2017-07-24, 23:36   Link #760
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With the seventh holder, I have a feeling that he/she died prior to being able to fully train All Might, suggesting that his or her death wasn't through passing of the torch, but through something else. There's a reason that Gran Torino took over his training rather than the seventh doing it himself. In that case, All Might never got the power gradually but was hit full force with it once the 7th died.
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