AnimeSuki Forums

Trudinh · 2012-03-22, 21:53

here what i suggest new people who are beginning to watch this anime. watch ep 1-12 ep 12 gai die and shu and inori live, happy ending. dont go beyond that, you will be disappointed. who agree.....?

com_gwp · 2012-03-22, 21:55

^Wait no, you're missing the good parts. The shurer parts. Highlight of the whole show. So damn hilabad.

Trudinh · 2012-03-22, 22:00

u mean when he become an bad evil kings and be betray by his friend

wsheit · 2012-03-22, 22:39

Ugh....not that I expected much better. But it's depressing to think that some of the same folks behind Geass made this. It reminds me of directors like john carpenter and m. night shyamalan...who have been capable of terrific movies and complete trainwrecks. How does that happen?

HighGuard · 2012-03-22, 22:50

This was the most rushed and nonsensical ending I have ever seen. Just a whole lot of nothing going. And then there is that "epilogue" that made no sense what so ever....

Ledgem · 2012-03-22, 23:04

I didn't realize that Shu was blinded - I initially thought that his cane was just because he had been crippled. Briefly re-watched that scene and it seems that it is indeed a cane for the blind (or visually-impaired). It was also a bit ambiguous to me as to whether Inori survived or not. I'll go with the comments here and assume that she didn't. Both of those ideas makes me appreciate the ending quite a bit more, actually.

I presume there will be an overall series rating thread, so I'll save my general thoughts for there. I liked this ending, but it didn't move me in the way that a number of other series have. I suspect that part of this is because we as the audience were never really given the opportunity to get attached to Inori. For being a main character, her character development was surprisingly limited, and I feel as if she had less screen time than Ayase and maybe even Tsugumi. It seems to me that the shock factor, the part that is supposed to bring tears to your eyes and that heart-wrenching sensation, is Inori's disappearance. Without that sense of attachment, the emotional impact is minimal.

orion · 2012-03-22, 23:12

I am truly pissed at this ending. I now have a taste of what Mass Effect 3 fans are feeling. They just couldn't give Shu a break.

The most I can rate this episode is an 8.

ArcApollousa · 2012-03-22, 23:13

Shu: I'll get back Inori for sure..

3 mins later, after Gai's defeat
Gai: Go Shu, bring back Inori..
Me: OMG.. this will lead to a happy Ending!!

4 mins later..
Shu: Let's go together Inori..
Me: Wait.. will they die together??! Nooo...

2 mins later..
Shu: Inori noo!! (Shu is alive)
Me: You're a failure.. Shu.. always.. You even can't save one girl that you loved.. even u don't learn from Hare's case..*facepalm*

Epilogue:
Shu is blind.. Forever alone.. and a daydreamer.. EVEN HE CAN'T SEE THE WORLD HE HAS ALREADY SAVED!!!
Me: FIND A GIRL SHU! AYASE HAS AFFECTION ON YOU.. GRAWR!!
*flipping table*
f*ck the scriptwriter and the director..

I guess.. Sawano Hiroyuki put too much effort in composing and arranging the soundtracks...

Tak · 2012-03-22, 23:14

Personally, I felt the ending (as the way it had been constructed) was unnecessary. Of all the cries of saving Inori, Shu failed, utterly!! Unless one can look at it in a way where Inori's soul was saved and thus liberated, although I consider that concept as a cop-out.

It doesn't help by the fact that the upbeat EDs of previous episodes was totally misleading. So at the end, what do we get? A blind and crippled Shu. Nice!

Honestly, if I was Shu, I would have made the pledge to just go with Inori, because from my own personal observation, Shu had nothing to lose.

This is on the level of TTGL's ending, which I did not appreciate very much.

- Tak

Zaresh · 2012-03-22, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by fict_ticious

Anybody read Dune Messiah? Shu's conclusion totally pulled a Paul Atreides, though no children to speak of. I would like to think this the kind of end they were trying to go for, but the themes and characterizations necessary for it just aren't there. However, that might be giving them too much credit.

Funny thing is... since episode 20 I was thinking they were going to do a Paul Atreides route for Shu. I guess I was right.

leokiko · 2012-03-22, 23:34

Now that this crap has ended, it's time for me to turn my brain off and go marathon it

whsie · 2012-03-22, 23:35

yeah..., that ending is a summary of this whole show- a horribly executed piece of mess.

Tak · 2012-03-22, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaresh

Funny thing is... since episode 20 I was thinking they were going to do a Paul Atreides route for Shu. I guess I was right.

Hmm, I cannot see the connection. One of the reasons why Paul did what he did was due to his dissatisfaction of how people made him out to be.

Shu on the other hand... despite his hatred for power, deliberately became what Paul Atreides loathed.

- Tak

dark998 · 2012-03-22, 23:47

Maximum mixed feelings towards this episode. For one side, Shu x Inori end is achieved but I would have prefered her to be in a more tangible form rather than inside Shu's mind. At least the writer didn't have the bright idea to pull an Ayase end out of nowhere. Terrible character.

Great music, action, final showdown between Gai and Shu complete with sword slashing together with Inori's soul like in the first OP, Shibungi killing Kido, Daryl going all out. All ok.

Sooooooooo: great series, not so great ending. Would rewatch and replace my TV version files with the blu rays.

Xaturas · 2012-03-22, 23:54

Shu should have either die with inori together, or come out of crystals together. That ending was ...

As for ep the only thing that took my notice was authors trying as hard as they can to fit as many fanservice as possible.
Ayase boobs rolling around on the crash.
Tsugumi ass stick outs on firewall fights O_o.

Heck probably the only nice thing was Kazuma or whatshisname taking a bullet to his head.
And Arisa surviving ... hope she will work her ass out as dutch wife, since she no longer has family $$.

Timeless Enigma · 2012-03-23, 00:01

Well, trainwreck of its season that's for sure. I started out just enjoying the ride because I was like "omg it's Production I.G.!!" and not looking too closely at the flaws of this show until it they became impossible to ignore. This show was basically a dog's breakfast in terms of pretty much everything. Maybe had it been a 30-50 episode show they would've been able to actually tell a coherent story... but then again... maybe not, probably just a longer trainwreck reminiscent of Gundam SEED Destiny.

Were they too ambitious? Were they too unoriginal? Were they pressed for time? Did the executives tamper with a promising formula? I'll never know, but what I do know is that this series is just asking for fixfics and alternate interpretations.

I'm not even pissed off that I spent 11 hours on this show... I'm just laughing right now.

Zaresh · 2012-03-23, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tak

Hmm, I cannot see the connection. One of the reasons why Paul did what he did was due to his dissatisfaction of how people made him out to be.

Shu on the other hand... despite his hatred for power, deliberately became what Paul Atreides loathed.

- Tak

Well, this is not related to GC and is going to have heavy spoilers for Dune, so I'm going to contiune under spoiler tags. First of all, my apologizes if sometimes I'm hard to understand: I'm not a native english speaker and I read Dune into spanish.

Spoiler for Dune - GC comparison:

At first I was like "OK, being the bad dude to his people, a tyrant, but becouse a good reason: the survival and all that. That's pretty much like Dune, but I don't think they're going to do a Leto with Shu..." Why this anime is reminding me of Dune? "Oh, well, it can't be helped, can't it? It's about the power to rule destiny of humankind, accepting the guilt of this power, there are posessions or something, there's a messianic archetype and a young throw to all that mess because of a family that suks. It sure remindes me a little Dune". Haruka, too, kind of reminded me of Jessica.

Then I thought deeper "But the whole messiah thing was more with Paul, actually. Hmmm... Fremen and the people from Arrakis overall made a messiah of Paul. And even if he waned to play that role in Dune, he pretty much hated it later on, iirc". And then Shu embraced the kings void again, in episode 19, even if that could kill him, accepting his power. Once again it reminded me of Dune. Sure, Shu denied his power, at the begining. Since the second half. even if he hated his role in the story, he still played it the best he could. And when he lost that power, he was willed to get it again, even if that could hurt him (Paul was warned about his blindness by the navigators from the guild, iirc). And it happened episode 21, and then I realized Paul's whole life was meant to be controled by the Bene Gesserit and was going to be married with that imperial princess but he finally screw with all of them. And Shu's life was going to be controled in order to marry Mana, but he screws that and tries to save and stay with Inori. And...

It's confusing, but in short, I saw a bunch of features of Paul Atreides on Shu, and saw some resemblances of the Kwisatz-whatever matter in the power of the King, and some of the Golden Path of Leto in the Guillty Crown - Apocalypse with Mana as Eve theme. So I guessed that, maybe, they were going to make an end that somehow reminded me of Paul's end. I was thinking more in Dune, with the final fight between Paul and that Harkonnen who was his cousin, but anyways.

But I must say I read Dune books like 8-9 years ago, so maybe I'm confusing events and characters

Ok, Japan. If you're thinking on doing something inspired in a work of Asimov, PLEASE, DON'T. Thanks

. Back in the past, I wished for I.G. adapting the Foundation series. But now... I think I'm going to pass

.

bevan · 2012-03-23, 00:56

I'm finally dropping this series..

The epilogue seemed abit off (not referring to Ayase's bust reduction, or the successful copulation of Funnell) but the ending shot of Shu connecting with Inori via her song coupled with the line from the ED was excellent.

I thought the Shu x Gai battle would be something epic along the lines of F/SN: UBW. It did venture into that path, with Shu and Gai wielding a similar weapon but it was ridiculously short.. The way the scriptwriters revealed Gai's motivations seemed like a plaster pasted over a cement crack - and the plastering was prevalent throughout the second half of the series. Bit disappointed in that

Just one question mark though,

After Shu took over the string from Inori, I realised he wasn't in his original pose (during the crystalization) anymore.. So probably his arm disappeared along with the crystals he was absorbing which begs the next question, how did he ninja himself out of the collapsing wreck? Last I recall his segway was already out of service. And he has no more voids/or did he ninja'ed Ayase's?

8/10 for me though, coz the heartstrings were pulled, no less to the use of the soundtracks.

Ddraig · 2012-03-23, 01:09

Congratulation Shu you SAVE THE WORLD but couldnt save Inori.... wtf was that ending.

Mgz · 2012-03-23, 01:36

what... the ... ?

they should have finished the series at 12, but then they decided to make more and the writers got lost... sigh...

View Poll Results: Guilty Crown - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10	22	11.58%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	14	7.37%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	26	13.68%
7 out of 10 : Good	27	14.21%
6 out of 10 : Average	39	20.53%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	15	7.89%
4 out of 10 : Poor	14	7.37%
3 out of 10 : Bad	9	4.74%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	5	2.63%
1 out of 10 : Painful	19	10.00%
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

2012-03-22, 22:39	Link #84
wsheit Combating Spoiler Scum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 40	Ugh....not that I expected much better. But it's depressing to think that some of the same folks behind Geass made this. It reminds me of directors like john carpenter and m. night shyamalan...who have been capable of terrific movies and complete trainwrecks. How does that happen? __________________

2012-03-22, 23:04	Link #86
Ledgem Love Yourself Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northeast USA Age: 38	I didn't realize that Shu was blinded - I initially thought that his cane was just because he had been crippled. Briefly re-watched that scene and it seems that it is indeed a cane for the blind (or visually-impaired). It was also a bit ambiguous to me as to whether Inori survived or not. I'll go with the comments here and assume that she didn't. Both of those ideas makes me appreciate the ending quite a bit more, actually. I presume there will be an overall series rating thread, so I'll save my general thoughts for there. I liked this ending, but it didn't move me in the way that a number of other series have. I suspect that part of this is because we as the audience were never really given the opportunity to get attached to Inori. For being a main character, her character development was surprisingly limited, and I feel as if she had less screen time than Ayase and maybe even Tsugumi. It seems to me that the shock factor, the part that is supposed to bring tears to your eyes and that heart-wrenching sensation, is Inori's disappearance. Without that sense of attachment, the emotional impact is minimal. __________________

2012-03-22, 23:12	Link #87
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	I am truly pissed at this ending. I now have a taste of what Mass Effect 3 fans are feeling. They just couldn't give Shu a break. The most I can rate this episode is an 8. __________________

2012-03-22, 23:14	Link #89
Tak Catholic = Cat addiction? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: MURICA!!	Personally, I felt the ending (as the way it had been constructed) was unnecessary. Of all the cries of saving Inori, Shu failed, utterly!! Unless one can look at it in a way where Inori's soul was saved and thus liberated, although I consider that concept as a cop-out. It doesn't help by the fact that the upbeat EDs of previous episodes was totally misleading. So at the end, what do we get? A blind and crippled Shu. Nice! Honestly, if I was Shu, I would have made the pledge to just go with Inori, because from my own personal observation, Shu had nothing to lose. This is on the level of TTGL's ending, which I did not appreciate very much. - Tak __________________ BLESSED IS OUR GOD, THE LORD OF MIRACLES, FOR HE HAS SUPPLIED AN ENTIRE BATTALION WITH JUST FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMO AND TWO GRENADES!! Remember, the toes you step on today may be connected to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow.

2012-03-22, 21:53	Link #81
Trudinh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	here what i suggest new people who are beginning to watch this anime. watch ep 1-12 ep 12 gai die and shu and inori live, happy ending. dont go beyond that, you will be disappointed. who agree.....?

2012-03-22, 21:55	Link #82
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	^Wait no, you're missing the good parts. The shurer parts. Highlight of the whole show. So damn hilabad.

2012-03-22, 22:00	Link #83
Trudinh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	u mean when he become an bad evil kings and be betray by his friend

2012-03-22, 22:50	Link #85
HighGuard Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	This was the most rushed and nonsensical ending I have ever seen. Just a whole lot of nothing going. And then there is that "epilogue" that made no sense what so ever....

2012-03-22, 23:13	Link #88
ArcApollousa Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Shu: I'll get back Inori for sure.. 3 mins later, after Gai's defeat Gai: Go Shu, bring back Inori.. Me: OMG.. this will lead to a happy Ending!! 4 mins later.. Shu: Let's go together Inori.. Me: Wait.. will they die together??! Nooo... 2 mins later.. Shu: Inori noo!! (Shu is alive) Me: You're a failure.. Shu.. always.. You even can't save one girl that you loved.. even u don't learn from Hare's case..facepalm Epilogue: Shu is blind.. Forever alone.. and a daydreamer.. EVEN HE CAN'T SEE THE WORLD HE HAS ALREADY SAVED!!! Me: FIND A GIRL SHU! AYASE HAS AFFECTION ON YOU.. GRAWR!! flipping table f*ck the scriptwriter and the director.. I guess.. Sawano Hiroyuki put too much effort in composing and arranging the soundtracks...

2012-03-22, 23:34	Link #91
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	Now that this crap has ended, it's time for me to turn my brain off and go marathon it

2012-03-22, 23:35	Link #92
whsie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle and Houston... sleeping in a car.	yeah..., that ending is a summary of this whole show- a horribly executed piece of mess.

2012-03-22, 23:47	Link #94
dark998 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Maximum mixed feelings towards this episode. For one side, Shu x Inori end is achieved but I would have prefered her to be in a more tangible form rather than inside Shu's mind. At least the writer didn't have the bright idea to pull an Ayase end out of nowhere. Terrible character. Great music, action, final showdown between Gai and Shu complete with sword slashing together with Inori's soul like in the first OP, Shibungi killing Kido, Daryl going all out. All ok. Sooooooooo: great series, not so great ending. Would rewatch and replace my TV version files with the blu rays.

2012-03-22, 23:54	Link #95
Xaturas Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	Shu should have either die with inori together, or come out of crystals together. That ending was ... As for ep the only thing that took my notice was authors trying as hard as they can to fit as many fanservice as possible. Ayase boobs rolling around on the crash. Tsugumi ass stick outs on firewall fights O_o. Heck probably the only nice thing was Kazuma or whatshisname taking a bullet to his head. And Arisa surviving ... hope she will work her ass out as dutch wife, since she no longer has family $$. __________________

2012-03-23, 00:01	Link #96
Timeless Enigma Tsushima Masaki Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada	Well, trainwreck of its season that's for sure. I started out just enjoying the ride because I was like "omg it's Production I.G.!!" and not looking too closely at the flaws of this show until it they became impossible to ignore. This show was basically a dog's breakfast in terms of pretty much everything. Maybe had it been a 30-50 episode show they would've been able to actually tell a coherent story... but then again... maybe not, probably just a longer trainwreck reminiscent of Gundam SEED Destiny. Were they too ambitious? Were they too unoriginal? Were they pressed for time? Did the executives tamper with a promising formula? I'll never know, but what I do know is that this series is just asking for fixfics and alternate interpretations. I'm not even pissed off that I spent 11 hours on this show... I'm just laughing right now. __________________

2012-03-23, 00:56	Link #98
bevan Knight of Zero Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: World of C Age: 34	I'm finally dropping this series.. The epilogue seemed abit off (not referring to Ayase's bust reduction, or the successful copulation of Funnell) but the ending shot of Shu connecting with Inori via her song coupled with the line from the ED was excellent. I thought the Shu x Gai battle would be something epic along the lines of F/SN: UBW. It did venture into that path, with Shu and Gai wielding a similar weapon but it was ridiculously short.. The way the scriptwriters revealed Gai's motivations seemed like a plaster pasted over a cement crack - and the plastering was prevalent throughout the second half of the series. Bit disappointed in that Just one question mark though, After Shu took over the string from Inori, I realised he wasn't in his original pose (during the crystalization) anymore.. So probably his arm disappeared along with the crystals he was absorbing which begs the next question, how did he ninja himself out of the collapsing wreck? Last I recall his segway was already out of service. And he has no more voids/or did he ninja'ed Ayase's? 8/10 for me though, coz the heartstrings were pulled, no less to the use of the soundtracks.

2012-03-23, 01:09	Link #99
Ddraig Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Congratulation Shu you SAVE THE WORLD but couldnt save Inori.... wtf was that ending.

2012-03-23, 01:36	Link #100
Mgz Madlax fanboyz Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 38	what... the ... ? they should have finished the series at 12, but then they decided to make more and the writers got lost... sigh...