One Piece - Chapter 597 (manga)

[ShadowKiko]

Originally Posted by Bari_Phillis

But if Aokiji traps the "doppleman" in ice, then he has no where to move. and Moria can't use him anymore. I believe that the doppleman was in a semi-physical form, so he can be trapped by ice.


By the way, I can't get over the fact that the WG should have employed Moria for Impel Down....

Doppleman is a shadow... and even if he was in semi physical for when traped by ice moria showed that he can control shadows shape the way he wants so at any time the shadow that forms doppleman could be once again not in a physical form and escape the ice... still moria is no match for aokiji... not in a thousand years as he is right now... that is more than evident... i just pointed that he could actually escape from being frozen...

[Kallen4life]

Aokiji's chilling power () may be cold enough to turn Akainu's magma to (frozen) rock

you must be joking .. Akainu evaporates ice, not melts

he overpowers fire, it's obvious he overpowers ice as well

I srsly doubt Aokiji produces -2XX C temperatures - it's just plain ice, like Ace = plain fire (not some omgwtf plasma)

and he probably would have put out Ace's fire if they had fought beyond a single clash.

they were shown to be equals for a reason .. fire = ice, as well as fire = smoke .. lava > fire and I assume lava > ice



I have no doubt that Akainu > Aokiji simply because of his fruit (also Akainu withstood 2 quakes from WB - that's BB level endurance) .. Akainu will be a primary villain, he needs to be a serious threat .. that said - he just burns (pretty much pure offence, one of the highest and deadliest DFs can offer) and that's all - Aokiji has much more variety, as was pointed out above .. so overall the DF's are equal

[Distinction]

I think freeze>magma, but because it is a manga and it has limitations it is probably Akainu>Aokiji.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by ShadowKiko

Now to make you happy that would not be the case if Aokiji is fighting Whitebeard
Whitebeard we saw what happened

Actually, Whitebeard's case was different. He was encased in a ball of ice, as opposed to getting his actual body completely frozen. Lucky for him .

[Sakuranbo]

I'm jonsing bad without my regular dosage of One Piece

[ShadowKiko]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Actually, Whitebeard's case was different. He was encased in a ball of ice, as opposed to getting his actual body completely frozen. Lucky for him .

Still i think he would be able to get free without that much of a trouble even if he got frozen like robin or luffy did... i mean... they survived and are way weaker than WB. I think he would just break free of the ice... Ball of Ice or not...

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

^ Robin survived because her crewmates were there to save her. Aokiji spared Luffy's life since he put an end to Crocodile's nefarious schemes. If Whitebeard broke out of Aokiji's "Ice Time", I would completely agree with you. But since it was another technique, it really comes down to speculation, hence the reason why I'm somewhat skeptical on this matter . So far, all of Aokiji's "Ice Time" victims have been rendered completely immobilized.

[Kallen4life]

I don't think Ice Time is instant though, as the block of ice technique

Aokiji could get a haki-quake to the face while freezing old WB (and he'd have to be up close & personal while doing so)


and since it's WB, he'd probably shrug off frostbite

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

^ Indeed. Ice Time does take a few seconds until the victim is completely frozen, and it is during this time that the opponent could retaliate in a swift and deadly manner. This is probably the reason why Aokiji doesn't spam said move, especially against the top tiers.

In any case, Ice Time is something to watch out for.

[Gaara7171]

You know the admirals aren't the only people getting pumped.They are going to have to replace the 3 warlord. So I can't wait to see who they got to replace Gecko Moria, Jinbei, and Blackbeard.

[james0246]

^Personally, I hope more women will join the Shichibukai...more GAR women at that. Hancock is great, she powerful, hilarious, crazy, and definitely cool, but I want more "butch" woman in the Shichibukai. A woman who doesn't just use her beauty as a weapon, but rather her fist, then her elbow, then her shoulder, leg, shin, forehead...you get my point. Give me Badass Brenda!

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by james0246

A woman who doesn't get use her beauty as a weapon, but rather her fist, then her elbow, then her shoulder, leg, shin, forehead...you get my point. Give me Badass Brenda!

Judging by the Yonkou silhouettes and the name Big Mom, this description may fit said emperor very well .

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Judging by the Yonkou silhouettes and the name Big Mom, this description may fit said emperor very well .

Knowing Oda, he'll probably make Big Momma the nicest pirate in the Sea .

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by james0246

Knowing Oda, he'll probably make Big Momma the nicest pirate in the Sea .

Until you pissed her off, then watch out!

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by james0246

Knowing Oda, he'll probably make Big Momma the nicest pirate in the Sea .

Lola's mother and Dandan's sister.

[ShadowKiko]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

^ Robin survived because her crewmates were there to save her. Aokiji spared Luffy's life since he put an end to Crocodile's nefarious schemes. If Whitebeard broke out of Aokiji's "Ice Time", I would completely agree with you. But since it was another technique, it really comes down to speculation, hence the reason why I'm somewhat skeptical on this matter . So far, all of Aokiji's "Ice Time" victims have been rendered completely immobilized.

Still all the victioms of aokiji's ice time have been weak ones like luffy and robin... not someone on the level of WB (if there is anyone on the level of the quake man).
My point is that if Wb uses armor haki he may be able to use his quake habilities even when frozen... like aokiji said... you can't freeze a quake.
But i understand your point... i guess we would need a better explanation on aokiji's fruit and techniques... but i dont think WB would be the strongest man on OP world if he could be taken down by a single technique alone... come on... shanks haki was enough to crack WB ship... and when WB and Shanks colide their haki splited the sky in half... i think is somehow safe to assume that WB would be able to get free from Ice Time... Still... he may be one of the very few that could actually do it... In most of the cases... if you get frozen by ice time... game is over!

[james0246]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Until you pissed her off, then watch out!

Just like a real Mother .

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by ShadowKiko

Still all the victioms of aokiji's ice time have been weak ones like luffy and robin...

VA Saul and Jozu would like to have a word with you .

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by james0246

^Personally, I hope more women will join the Shichibukai...more GAR women at that. Hancock is great, she powerful, hilarious, crazy, and definitely cool, but I want more "butch" woman in the Shichibukai. A woman who doesn't just use her beauty as a weapon, but rather her fist, then her elbow, then her shoulder, leg, shin, forehead...you get my point. Give me Badass Brenda!

Dadan for Shichibukai!

[ShadowKiko]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

VA Saul and Jozu would like to have a word with you .

Sure... Still... they're not in the same level as the Quake man... or near... my point is... shank's haki cracked WB ship with haki... i think WB could break the ice in the same way... or with his Quake habilities. But i guess in the end it all comes to what you can or cannot do with haki.
Even if we got the brief explanation in how haki works but it still there is much more to say about it however...
I still think that WB would not be the strongest if just one technique could take him out i mean... he and shanks spilt the sky for god sake...