2017-04-12, 22:00 | Link #81 |
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I'm quite certain that "your conception of writing is beyond awful.". is a personal attack.
If you don't believe so, Tong, then that means you do not know the definition of 'personal attack'.. "lol" right back at you. Oh believe me, I'd love a civil debate. On that note, is anybody able to explain to me why this episode 1 was "good" or perhaps "well-done"? I really want to hear something, but it appears nobody can. |
2017-04-12, 22:35 | Link #83 | |
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I'll say they did OK. They managed to introduce the Protagonist and the Heroine and get in their basic personality vectors, as well as the proverbial Big-Sister character. It's not brilliant (character design is not Sukasuka's chosen decisive point for battle), but it serves. |
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2017-04-12, 22:44 | Link #84 |
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I appreciate the sensible conclusion you come to, ark. I too thought it was nothing more than average LN crap.
Regarding their personalities, yes it was very lackluster. If characters are not the author's strong suit, and he is aware, then why doesn't he try a different approach, like placing more importance on the world building, especially when considering the setting is so bizarre? I imagine you don't have the answer to this question, which is fine; you don't know the guy. But that doesn't excuse him for terrible decisions. |
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- We learn that this particular island is less friendly to "non-furries/scalies/feathers" than others from a short comment after the girl has drawn attention. Maybe it's smaller than the others? Maybe it has a smaller non-animal-like population than others? Quote:
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During the talk between our male main and his bounty hunter friend we learn that friend of his has become "third food". They're treasure hunters on the surface, and that's dangerous. It's also likely that, if you're human-looking, that's one of your only options to find work in the first place. Maybe people also organise expeditions to the ground (we later learn that there are two major factions: military and merchants; they might do that). So it's possible that they get resources from there, but it's both dangerous and - I suppose - there's a limit to what you can get in one trip. Basically, the biggest danger to ever-day life on the islands, I'd expect, would come from your fellow citizens in some sort of conflict over scarce resources; certainly in the city. Later, when the main character arrives at the site for "weapon storage", what you immediately notice is that there's a lot of space and very few people - compared to the city. Our main character is immediately attacked by one of the girls (which is likely not baseless propaganda, since if folks living in crammed conditions could very well be jealous, and intruders (violent or drunk or both) may not be that rare. It also means that the project is very important. At the same time, the girls are "weapons" (not "soldiers"), which also shows you how much fun living around here must be for people without animal-features. At the same time, they have more space and possibly resources for daily life than people in the city. Though if the intro is anything to go by, they're not expected to live very long. I'll stop here. All this is speculation. I can be wrong about many of these things, even about all of them. Mostly the episode has alerted me to what sort of questions I'm supposed to ask, and it's likely that I'll change my mind about a few things. But I have a pretty good idea what I'm dealing with, and none of it is intrusive in the sense of an "As-you-know-Bob" dialogue (where people talk about things they have no reason to talk about, only because the reader/viewer is supposed to know it). It's competent science fiction/fantasy; thought through very well I'd say with regards to design. They keep it in the background, but it's still important. All of that is simply how exploratif SF/F works. There's nothing ingenious about it, but it's very detailled and for people who like that sort of stuff it's perfectly well executed. They've gained my trust; I think they know what they're doing. It's not groundbreaking, but it's also not heavy-handed, and the concept is definitely important (you can't easily set this on regular earth and have the same experience). You can disagree with me, if you like, but words like "crap" or "bad writing" aren't terribly motivating to reply. Note that I've mostly talked about setting here. The story, I imagine, is going to be pretty sentimental, and I can see myself growing tired of it. At best it's going to be really sad, at worst it's going to be eye-roll inducing melodrama; I can see myself reacting in both ways. But that's a matter of what I like and what I don't. The writing's not bad; they know what they want and go for it. Everything feels very targeted, and nothing feels gratuitious. Even the rather silly are-you-going-to-eat-me jokes have setting function. This style of writing isn't about telling you what you need to know; it's about guiding you to ask the right questions, make you come up with possible answers some of which you discard, and some of which you keep, and, watching the show like that, the setting will make more and more sense. (For me, personally, there comes a time when I have to discard less and less possible answers, and that's often also the time when I lose interest. Shows that survive that stage are the really good ones [there are also shows that won't give you enough until the very end and keep your interest alive through constant exploration.) Shows like that demand attention and patience. If you don't like to watch a show with this in mind, that is if that feels like work rather than fun, then a show like this isn't going to be much fun. But that's not the same thing as bad writing; it's just that what you expect doesn't match what the show does. |
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2017-04-13, 01:31 | Link #86 |
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This is literally the first time I see someone care more about vague things like architecture rather than proper character establishment(which is, you know, the logical focus of any beginning of the story).
The first episode established the world they live in, the main character and his tragedy, the characters surrounding him and overall goal/theme/objective of main character through the show. That's literally what a beginning of the story does. The core element of any narrative is the characters - everything around them is just excuse to have the characters go through things and comes secondary in terms of establishment. Every narrative starts and ends with the characters. Sometimes the "character" can be the world, or the architecture, but in most of cases it is real people. Its not a history book and not a documentary. Focusing on the characters that the story is about is only logical. They might or they might not explain the world around them(they already did quite a bit of explaining that felt natural in this episode) eventually but it literally makes no sense to infodump about the world in the first episode in a character focused work. Especially the one which already started with in medias res indicating it won't be entirely linear. Last edited by Harry Dresden; 2017-04-13 at 01:44. |
2017-04-13, 02:45 | Link #87 | |
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Personally I'm with Dawnstorm and Harry here. And this is just the first episode, I'm not saying it's perfect, but all in all you can tell there's competence, they know what they are doing. So far. And they better know it, since the path they seem they want to take strongly needs it to avoid going astray As I said this is the first episode and it could be easily a set up episode, having the story bend toward a more cliched path from the next onward, having the MC dealing with the girls jumping from a trope to the other. Time will tell.
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2017-04-13, 08:38 | Link #88 |
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A quick modly reminder. Disagreements are accepted here. Personal attacks are not. And yes, there have been personal attacks mixed in with the disagreements over the past few posts. But there won't be personal attacks in the future posts.
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2017-04-13, 16:33 | Link #89 |
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Well, I can agree, that for a person which didn´t read the LN, the first episode can look not so good. But I really liked it. But calling this LN as average LN crap... well, I can´t agree with this statement. You can´t find many LN which give you this kind of feelings. You know that reading will hurts you, you know that it is sad, but it makes you want more, you want to read more about characters and how they struggle.
I really think that first episode did well, because it show you in which way will this anime further evolve. From first episode you can feel that this is not your classic drama/romantic anime, because there are more specific problems. The next episodes will show you, what is the main plot of this series. I will comment more about this topic later, because I don´t want to spoil it. |
2017-04-13, 21:57 | Link #92 | |
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but for now, while old legends talked about humans bein called trolls or ogres, the reason the modern ogres and trolls and others humanoids where turned in "monster like creatures" is exactly because of they behavious and looks, what i means is which while "human trolls" where still humans, they where not described as "hot girls and hot guys" they where described as rustic peoples which normally they houses where dirty and they have some features like scars dirt nailfingers and things like that which where what was changed to make then look more and more ugly until them look like monsters. the trouble exactly here is when you where in a fantasy set wher all the others races are showed being animal like and "only one female character is showed as a "hot young human girl which is obvious (fanservice) reason not because the writer wanted them being based on realistic human or she could not look like that, as your typical hot girl, while i can understand that argument about need a "human like race", but the fact which her look is more like "fanservice reason" still true.
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2017-04-14, 04:38 | Link #93 |
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Well, "troll" is just a translation. What is actually said is "oni", which usually means the japanese type of "demon". Usually having horn(s), but the look and behavior varies depend on setting and disguise as human isn't uncommon.
Anyway, it's a bit jumping conclusion to say her human look is just for fan service when we have only 1 episode aired, especially when it's clearly shown that discrimination to human look creatures is an issue. We will see. |
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Well, I find the whole mindset of the world different. You discriminated against multiple species and expect them to fight and die for you. My thoughts would have been "S**** this! Just die already! I'm not going to sacrifice my life for you.".
I do have to agree if we don't see any human-like males of the troll/demon/oni or leprechaun species then the designs could be considered fanservice-y.
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actually another note about "trolls" they are originally from the norse myth which already describing then as monster like appearance, not because of "tolken, he only get the reference from here, like many others references, he didin't created them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll even there they also where described as being both "good and evil" like some could be good and friendly and others means and evil. also others races which come from norse myth where the dwarfs and elvens(that i don't know for suce also they described as party of germany myth), actually a lot of fantasy creatures come from they myth, other part come from greece and others come scattered from others places like ireland(the lepprechaus and gonomes if i'm not wrong) and others places.
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That's some funny revisionist history you have there. You have made me curious about where on earth you get your information from. So where are these pre-Tolkien "legends" where trolls were commonly portrayed to have attractive humanoid bodies like Niagrat? |
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2017-04-15, 04:32 | Link #100 |
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Friendly reminder that plenty of folk tales about trolls involve the detail about them being able to adapt their appearance to trick their targets, to lure them to their doom - the victims either being imprisoned by trolls or eaten when their guard is down. Quit a few cautionary tales also involve trolls masquerading as people and giving out advice or gifts that lead to misfortune and mischief. Its the reason why witchcraft in norse is called trolldomr. In fact, trollkona the Scandinavian equivalent of a female troll is pretty much depicted as a witch. A norwegian type of female troll known as huldra is pretty much a seducer than ensnares and eats men.
So yes, Nygglatho fits the troll lore in that she is akin to the Witch from Hansel and Gretel tale, which coincides with depictions of troll behavior too. |
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