Code Geass R2 - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Daniani

Did you see how the Cult People reacted??? They didn't seem to have any grudge against CC.. V.V. takes CC place and the Cult people are just pawns who are afraid and used by V.V..

Mad scientists are mad scientists; Everything to research; And those children were already like Rollo: Just look Rollo reaction after have killed Shirley; He is coming with a nice sile and is happy to have made this; How do you want annihilate the Cult if you aren't cancelling averything and everyone who are related ?

This is Just like in Gundam 00, with this sort of supersoldiers factory...there was no other solution but to kill them all, it's sad but we can see what those children will have become : Just like Rollo. And he isn't sort of good model...

If Lelouch wants to destroy the Cult, he made exactly what he need too, even if this can be seen as something wrong or horrible, to destroy the Cult, it was necessary...

[Schneizel]

Blah blah Suzaku and Lelouch both suck.

I don't see why people are so hung up about them doing "good" or "bad" things. I think it's been established into the ground that many of the characters, MUCH LIKE OMG REAL PEOPLE, have a duality (black/white spots) rather than just sticking to one "color". This makes all of the chess overtones freaking hilarious since it's a completely 2 color game with no gray pieces.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Mad scientists are mad scientists; Everything to research; And those children were already like Rollo: Just look Rollo reaction after have killed Shirley; He is coming with a nice sile and is happy to have made this; How do you want annihilate the Cult if you aren't cancelling averything and everyone who are related ?

This is Just like in Gundam 00, with this sort of supersoldiers factory...there was no other solution but to kill them all, it's sad but we can see what those children will have become : Just like Rollo. And he isn't sort of good model...

If Lelouch wants to destroy the Cult, he made exactly what he need too, even if this can be seen as something wrong or horrible, to destroy the Cult, it was necessary...

I won't argue against that logic. In fact, you're right. The problem is that all the Lelouch supporters of this episode are ignoring the fact that Lelouch is wiping them out for the wrong reasons, as I've already pointed out. It doesn't matter to him whether they're good or evil. All that matters to him is that he blames them for Shirley's death, so he wants them to die for it. They could be angels for all he cares, and he would still order them to be killed.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Riful

That's a very very sad thing to say. Really ... you don't have to feel sad, but you shouldn't feel like it doesn't matter at all either.

"wrong place wrong time" is simply cruel ...

Ie, ie, ie, ie, in the end, they were just pawn characters in an anime.
Surely you don't feel sad for every person when a large group of nameless pawns get annihilated?

What should be a better way to put it? Poor souls who had no luck?

EDIT: Who put that tag...

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by kodachrome

Blah blah Suzaku and Lelouch both suck.

I don't see why people are so hung up about them doing "good" or "bad" things. I think it's been established into the ground that many of the characters, MUCH LIKE OMG REAL PEOPLE, have a duality (black/white spots) rather than just sticking to one "color". This makes all of the chess overtones freaking hilarious since it's a completely 2 color game with no gray pieces.

Aaaand, that makes their acts acceptable, in what way?

Surely we don't right off the Holocaust as the Nazis simply "being real people."

[-KarumA-]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

EDIT: Who put that tag...

No idea, but it made me lol

[KallenMiki]

Originally Posted by -KarumA-

Spoiler for caps:

next turn:

Arigatou! ....I hate Suzaku , damn! Why is he like that I hope Nana-chan would do something... poor Kallen....

[Schneizel]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Aaaand, that makes their acts acceptable, in what way?

Surely we don't right off the Holocaust as the Nazis simply "being real people."

...and where did I ever imply this makes them acceptable? The last thing I posted in this thread was "FUCK CANON X NINA". Nowhere did I sprout awesome propaganda about THESE ACTIONS ARE OKAY. I think I remember now why I don't post at AnimeSuki very often.

(Edit: ...Wow I even started off that post with, "both of them suck". Okay awesome Shinji A+++ READING COMPREHENSION YOU ROCK DUDE.)


You guys are silly for shitting bricks over Lelouch and/or Suzaku doing [BAD THINGS] when you should probably be well acquainted with this by now.

[Riful]

serenade: Yes, that sounds nicer at least.

But what disturbs me is how so many people completely focus on Suzaku scaring Kallen a bit (and he hasn't done anything yet), while Lulu's actions this episode are so much more grave. That's just a quite scary way to perceive what's happening.

[-KarumA-]

Originally Posted by Riful

serenade: Yes, that sounds nicer at least.

But what disturbs me is how so many people completely focus on Suzaku scaring Kallen a bit (and he hasn't yet done anything yet), while Lulu's actions this episode are so much more grave. That's just a quite scary way to perceive what's happening.

that is because we care more about Kallen then some nameless cult followers =P
innocent bystanders.. who cares

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by kodachrome

You guys are silly for shitting bricks over Lelouch and/or Suzaku doing [BAD THINGS] when you should probably be well acquainted with this by now.

You're acting like we should right this off as nothing. Well too bad, it is something. Lelouch never intentionally ordered the mass-murder of so many people before, and Suzaku never lied about a friend's death and threatened to use dangerous drugs on other friends before, either. They've stepped down to new lows.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by kodachrome

(Edit: ...Wow I even started off that post with, "both of them suck". Okay awesome Shinji A+++ READING COMPREHENSION YOU ROCK DUDE.)

Oh, and, y'see, what followed after your "they both suck" line didn't quite support that first line, so . One second you sound like you hate them both, then the next you sounded like you were saying we should accept it and not get worked up over it. (which is what you said in your most previous post, btw)

[ZeroSama]

Okay if after this ep anyone suggests a SuzakuXKallen pairing i think we can all safely say they are a troll and can DIAF.

[-KarumA-]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Okay if after this ep anyone suggests a SuzakuXKallen pairing i think we can all safely say they are a troll and can DIAF.

so true if I hear one more KallenxSuzaku thing again XD omg

[Daniani]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Mad scientists are mad scientists; Everything to research; And those children were already like Rollo: Just look Rollo reaction after have killed Shirley; He is coming with a nice sile and is happy to have made this; How do you want annihilate the Cult if you aren't cancelling averything and everyone who are related ?

This is Just like in Gundam 00, with this sort of supersoldiers factory...there was no other solution but to kill them all, it's sad but we can see what those children will have become : Just like Rollo. And he isn't sort of good model...

If Lelouch wants to destroy the Cult, he made exactly what he need too, even if this can be seen as something wrong or horrible, to destroy the Cult, it was necessary...

Necessary? No it was not. Before shirley's incident Lulu's plan was to take control of the Cult, not destroy it. If it was necessary to destroy it, he would have not made this plan to begin with.

[Schneizel]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

You're acting like we should right this off as nothing. Well too bad, it is something. Lelouch never intentionally ordered the mass-murder of so many people before, and Suzaku never lied about a friend's death and threatened to use dangerous drugs on other friends before.

If you watched the show with common sense mode turned on since season 1, you'd know both of them are delusional.

So, seriously, what's the surprise here?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Riful

Yes, that sounds nicer at least.
But what disturbs me is how so many people completely focus on Suzaku scaring Kallen a bit (and he hasn't yet done anything yet), while Lulu's actions this episode are so much more grave. That's just a quite scary way to perceive what's happening.

We may just be biased here as Kallen fans (some of us at least), or we may just be more shocked that Suzaku of all people might do such a thing. Or it may just be that we have a different perspective on which is worse: using drugs on (which he hasn't done yet) a prisoner who is technically a friend of yours and someone your friends and master (Nunnally) highly values, or killing a bunch of kids. It may also be that the matter of Kallen just.. gets to us more personally, you know? We all know Kallen. We didn't know those kids and while their deaths may be quite tragic, it might not hit us as hard as what might happen to Kallen...

[Pathis87]

Spoiler for code geass r2 ep 14:

Suzaku shows again what a bastard he really is .
Sure you can say evrything is afforded in war but drugging Kallen , a former 'friend', goes a bit to far .
Rolo killed shirley because he felt cornered and didn't know exactly what to do other than the thing he always does when a situation like this arises .
Just like the geass "kids" .They may look friendly or harmless but in fact are the devil themselves . There was no other option then to kill them.

About Charles i hope he kicks the bucket the next episode but i don't think it will happen that fast or there would be another villain after charles and we don't even know if charles is the bad guy here .... just that he doesn't consider each person to have the same worth. The strong rule the weak per sé .

[KallenMiki]

Suzaku's actions are really started to freakin' me out...He wants to refrain Kallen, which is really weird . I think that he needs that REFRAIN to himself more than Kallen.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by kodachrome

If you watched the show with common sense mode turned on since season 1, you'd know both of them are delusional.

So, seriously, what's the surprise here?

You get an C+ in trying to twist what I'm saying. When did I ever say they weren't delusional, anyway?

The surprise would be, that they're going even lower than before. As I just stated in my previous post, btw.

[Schneizel]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

You get an C+ in trying to twist what I'm saying. When did I ever say they weren't delusional, anyway?

The surprise would be, that they're going even lower than before. As I just stated in my previous post, btw.

And you get a F for twisting what I was saying by assuming I was saying they're "actions are acceptable" to begin with. (OH SNAP)