2013-03-17, 20:28 | Link #102 | |
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My issue is how they introduced the main male character as being mentally abusive to the female character. It's the writing itself that bothers me.
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2013-03-17, 20:42 | Link #103 | |||
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Right up until the point where Yukimasa appeared I was really intrigued by the episode. Yukimasa himself didn't dampen my interest very much, but as soon as Miyuki opened his mouth, things started going downhill in a hurry.
Oh no, not another god-like girl with a bullying servant. Didn't I just watch something like that not long ago? And, of course, the god-like girl will fall in love with the jerk (who will pretend he hasn't fallen in love with her) even though he continues to berate and bully her. He'll make her life miserable, on purpose, and kick everyone else's asses that either she tries to befriend, or who will try to befriend her. The first eleven minutes really lured me into Izumiko's world. Beautiful visuals. Introverted girl with really nice friends who are willing to defend her. Wild, god-like powers that the girl doesn't understand herself, nor can she seem to control them. And then they gotta turn all this wonderful stuff into the usual old crap. Can't say I wasn't disappointed. Quote:
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Worse for who? The perpetrator, the victim, or society as a whole. Society as a whole, at least where I'm from, sees child abuse as far worse than bullying, even though bullying can, just like child-abuse, lead to the death of the victim. In this instance, as long as it is not physical, I'd say Izumiko could probably take the bullying as well as Miyuki can take the beatings. |
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2013-03-17, 20:52 | Link #104 |
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Hmm... now I have to second guess whether Miyuki's really a jerk or not. The fact that you never warmed up to Houtarou even though he became a friendly and standup guy by the end of Hyouka makes me think your Jerkdar is broken, Fred.
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2013-03-17, 21:37 | Link #106 | |
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Some people believe that all human babies are born little angels and have to learn bad behaviour. I don't. Miyuki seems to me to be the kind of baby that was born a little devil, and has to learn good behaviour. |
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2013-03-17, 21:49 | Link #107 |
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When the 15 year old is the child being beaten, I think it's understandable that he might have issues that he takes out on other people -- especially if hes' getting beaten for not being a pod-person who blindly accepts whatever crazy cult these people belong to, and the person he's lashing out at is easily mistaken for a pod-person. I'm not saying the way he's acting is justified -- for one thing, we know Izumiko isn't a pod-person -- but nothing I've seen so far puts him into the irredeemable jerkass category.
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2013-03-17, 22:40 | Link #108 |
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Lol, I couldn't stand the low res video, so basically I did...
Fast forward Fast Forwad Still no osananajimi yet? Fast Forward Oh Look Wamiya (or whatever his name was) Wait, just seem like a schoolmate Fast Forward Miyuki! And they met 10 years ago! Eureka! Finds out he is a bully now AND was a bully in the past Why you do this Japan, labelling jerks like him as childhood friend? Oh well, I guess I'll take what I can get. He most probably would be a Jerk with a Heart of Gold in the end. :shrug: In any case, won't probably watch the full episode in earnest until it's actual air date. Terrible resoultion is terrible. XD
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2013-03-17, 23:19 | Link #109 | |||
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well the OP assures it. For the picture though...I don't know he looks too much like Judal. And Haru never really grew on me Oreki though is one of my faves, but then Oreki has never done anything close what Miyuki (or Haru) did, continuously in this 1st episode.
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2013-03-18, 01:35 | Link #110 | |
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It started out JUST FINE. I had pawed through some of the posts in this thread beforehand. And as I watched it, I thought, "Hey, what're people talking about? It's actually not too shabby. I could get into this." Yukimasa shows up. Kind of stereotypical for my tastes, but whatever. At least he doesn't act like as much of an ass as he looks. I can tolerate it. Then Miyuki comes into the picture... What the actual fuck? You cannot seriously be telling me that the entire beginning quarter or initial half of this series is going to be this same old "shy girl falls in love with a piece of shit" nonsense. His explanation for his attitude is that Izumiko's dull? That she doesn't do or think for herself enough? What exactly was he expecting, then? What kind of girl would he prefer to have seen? I have no idea how this kind of setup is going to explain itself in the next couple of episodes. There is nothing realistically justifiable for a character like that. And it better not give us any of that "Daddy beats me and/or doesn't love me enough" bullshit. Wow, I have not been this angry at something that I've watched in a while. I almost feel offended, lmao.
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2013-03-18, 01:58 | Link #111 | ||
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That was an awesome flood of rage though, Kismet. You should come here every episode to go on a Miyuki rampage. Quote:
I have a lot of thoughts on the nature vs. nurture argument, but it's off-topic and I'm sleepy. Suffice to say that I agree that human beings can become rotten from a very young age, albeit not quite as young as the first day of life. |
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2013-03-18, 02:35 | Link #112 | ||
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But this is one time where I hope that it isn't really the case because the entire setup of Miyuki's introduction and his "father" was just so awkward and... I don't know, it felt sort of forced to me. As if they were trying too hard to prove something. (Or not hard enough...?) If a lack of Daddy's lovin' is what has made Miyuki the way he is, I'll find it hard to take it seriously due to how it was presented. That and I genuinely still want this show to be good! I'm hoping they'll give some sort of truly interesting reason for Miyuki's unfavorable personality... It's unlikely, but I'm trying to be positive. Quote:
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2013-03-18, 05:11 | Link #113 | |
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Which is nice and all but so very generic. |
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2013-03-18, 11:17 | Link #115 |
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How is Miyuki being received over at 2Chan and in Japan I wonder?
Outside Japan, I think he will be reviled as a rather abusive, possibly chauvinistic fellow. Anyway, the first episode of RDG, especially until Miyuki showed up was very.. intriguing. Too bad it has all the markings of commercial failure written all over it. I might be surprised, but aren't they up against a very strong field this season? I think RDG is going get stomped hard in the BD and DVD sales. |
2013-03-18, 12:44 | Link #116 |
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I'm prob the only one who cheered Miyuki's dad. Any other time, the dad in an anime would have let the rebellious son walk all over himself. Not this guy. Miyuki got tough love.
Miyuki: I refuse!!!! <raaaggggge x 9999> Dad: Miyuki, you think I'm going to fight with you? Son, let me introduce you to the edge of this cliff. Miyuki: ... Dad: Oops, you fell. <evil laugh> Miyuki: <battered and bloodied moments later> Well, I can't whip my dad. So, I'll just make Izumiko's life miserable like the total loser that I am. He was born in the family. For all we know, he dad could be head of the family or close to it. He should have known what he was getting into. He's also probably in reality her husband candidate. ----- If we did the math, Miyuki was born when his dad was 18. I wonder if Miyuki also was a product of an arranged marriage.
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2013-03-18, 12:47 | Link #117 | |
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The people around Izumiko were surprised when she cut her hair, but there were no negative consequences for her because of it (aside from that asshole at school remarking on it). I'm pretty sure from Miyuki's perspective at this point, the only person Izumiko is a victim of is her own passivity. Of course, all of this is just from the information given in the first episode. No one here thinks there might be more that's going on here than meets the eye? If not, this is certainly a strange image to have in the opening, with the way people are jumping the gun and assuming even their childhood relationship must have been miserable...
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2013-03-18, 12:54 | Link #118 |
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You act as if he chose to be born in that family, it's one thing to say " he should have known what he was getting into" when someone someone has a choice,that's understandable but saying it when someone doesn't have a choice to begin with is pointless.
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2013-03-18, 12:59 | Link #119 | |
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He doesn't have a bad one. The clan is obviously rich and has a supernatural background which means he has responsibilities and he's prob been trained for it. The girl is cute. He's just the bodyguard and not the fiance for right now.
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2013-03-18, 13:12 | Link #120 | ||
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And by the way never in all of this was it even suggested that Miyuki finds Izumiko Morally Repulsive which was my original point. We're not even sure at this point what exactly miyuki's morals are. That's quite a heavy statement. NO he's just being a jerk since he feels powerless against his family & against his father so he lays his frustrations on Miyuki. Nothing as high minded as you make it out. Quote:
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