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According to the people who went to the special screening, the AT-X broadcast was edited heavily. In the uncut version, not only was the blood was red, there were no flashbacks during the Makoto stabbing scene (they showed a lot more of where she stabbed him), they actually showed Makoto's head in the bag, and there were apparently some noises added to the baby-confirmation scene.
Your #@)($*#)@($* around aren't you? Are you serious?
Hmm, any anime-watching "lawyers" that could predict if Kotonoha would go to jail if caught?
(she did sort of "avenge" the victim).
I wonder if a lot of Japanese males students are wary of their GF's now....?
I am not a lawyer but base on what i know of Japan's legal code. Kotonoha would not go to Jail, she would be sent to a mental insititution and will be release when she is deem mentally competant.
In the US she would be tried as adult and sent to adult prison with life sentence for a double murder. Triple if they count the fetus.
In the 1980s their was a Basic Instinct
in the 2000 there is School Days
First and foremost, to the folks who are frustrated with the folks who are disatisfied because you think people were seeking redemption, I believe this is a misconception, but this is just my opinion. I didn't expect, nor WANT, redemption. Revenge, yes, but not redemption because we silly fallable humans will continue to make mistakes all throughout life, the hope just being that we repeat the same mistakes less and less and learn.
Makoto deserved some sort of punishment for his actions (were he real I would think that his reputation would be enough, as we saw in ep 11 - sometimes in High School that's all it takes to make life a living hell...) I wouldn't have expected a happy ending for either of the two main heroines - they'd been screwed with pretty badly and had done some unsavory things as well. Their emotional scars woulda taken time - a lot of time - to heal.
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I did feel this episode was overkill, eventhough I too wanted Makoto to die. I thought it would be release for this asshole to get that sort of come-uppence since I heard it happened in the game. But I just felt this episode was tacked on...I don't know why. Yes, this whole series hasn't exactly been realistic, but the last two episodes really drove the nail into the coffin for me. I don't regret watching it per se, just disappointed.
The pregnancy thing bothered me, but I remember a similar scene in the very first Ju-On direct-to-video movie where
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Takeo kills the teacher's wife and baby...
That made me sick and gave me nightmares. I do believe we were meant to take Katsura's line literally to show just how far Sekai would go for Makoto, but it's interesting to see how everyone's interpreting it.
If anything's gonna give me nightmares from this, it's the Nice Boat scene...talk about a meme gone the wrong way, damn...
Well, it's been fun watching and seeing everyone's thoughts as the series progresses. Time to go haunt the HiguKai forums!
A triple murder? Kotonoha only killed Sekai, and (possibly) a fetus. That counts two. Kotonoha did not kill Makoto......Sekai killed him.
To me even in the States I would say Kotonoha will more than likely get a much lighter penalty than the life one you suggested. Anyway she was just avenging... and she was not mentally stable (if not insane)...
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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^
I am not a lawyer but base on what i know of Japan's legal code. Kotonoha would not go to Jail, she would be sent to a mental insititution and will be release when she is deem mentally competant.
In the US she would be tried as adult and sent to adult prison with life sentence for a double murder. Triple if they count the fetus.
In the 1980s their was a Basic Instinct
in the 2000 there is School Days
Oh wow, that was quite an ending. So in the end, Kotonoha delivers the fatality on Sekai huh? What's disturbing me is what she did to Sekai.....like opening her up to see if she really was pregnant. If she was, I had a hunch that Kotonoha will slice the baby up. Another disturbing part is that boat scene where Kotonoha is hugging Makoto's severed head. Meh, talk about the girl that went psycho
--> Well, 3 more animes ended for me. This one, Darker Than Black, and Nagasarete Airantou.
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According to the people who went to the special screening, the AT-X broadcast was edited heavily. In the uncut version, not only was the blood was red, there were no flashbacks during the Makoto stabbing scene (they showed a lot more of where she stabbed him), they actually showed Makoto's head in the bag, and there were apparently some noises added to the baby-confirmation scene.
ZOMG!!! source? O.O
this is just insane insane gore FTW! all the more reason to get the DVD...
A triple murder? Kotonoha only killed Sekai, and (possibly) a fetus. That counts two. Kotonoha did not kill Makoto......Sekai killed him.
To me even in the States I would say Kotonoha will more than likely get a much lighter penalty than the life one you suggested. Anyway she was just avenging... and she was not mentally stable (if not insane)...
Sorry forgot that.
But if the found Koto with Makoto's head they could mistakenly charge her with it especially if she was out of it.
If you ask me, this ending reminds me of a lot like EoE, gets the point across, but throws in an unnecessary bloodfest to satisfy the fans who wanted more action. And judging by the screening, it was worse.
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I actually don't mind the black blood, the look on Makoto's face was scary enough, and knowing what happened to his and Sekai's bodies, I don't think it even matters. I don't mind that no other characters were shown except for the girl who got cheated on, her story shouldn't have ended there. I do feel Makoto should have died, normally I think the way he died was a bit too severe, but after knowing that he kissed Koto in front of Sekai was the final straw. I also prefer the flashbacks, kind of gives a whole, "This guy is being killed slowly, and here's why!" I feel glad for Kokoro, she wouldn't be able to handle the shock of her sister dying, yet I'm wondering how she would react with Koto seeing as how the girl is clearly not coming back to reality anytime soon. In the end, it's a good ending, but too bloody to appeal to fans. I've seen Cape Fear and Hitchcock movies, and the image of dead Makoto was the first image I've ever seen that actually really gave to me a, "I can't look at this!" feeling. BTW, to all of those saying "Sekai wasn't pregnant" she didn't think she wanted to be pregnant, she was actually scared at first when she realized it, and her period didn't come, also Makoto said he did Sekai with no condoms.
There isn't any "avenging" excuse in the law.
Of course, there is some lessened penalty for madness, or self defense, but avenging is certainly not accepted.
Avenging someone is doing justice oneself, absolutely not the absolute justice, and therefor, bias.
on the other hand, if Sekai is proved to be pregnant, it is much much heavier than a simple homicid, as moral imbalance has big weight in the punishment for the crime, along with amount of harm.
Maybe she will go to the "Angency" and ask them to embed Makoto's flesh into her own body...
(If you watched "Claymore" you will know what I am talking about...)
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Oh wow, that was quite an ending. So in the end, Kotonoha delivers the fatality on Sekai huh? What's disturbing me is what she did to Sekai.....like opening her up to see if she really was pregnant. If she was, I had a hunch that Kotonoha will slice the baby up. Another disturbing part is that boat scene where Kotonoha is hugging Makoto's severed head. Meh, talk about the girl that went psycho
--> Well, 3 more animes ended for me. This one, Darker Than Black, and Nagasarete Airantou.
No, I am not saying "avenging" is justified, or excused.
However, when handing out penalties against crimes, normally the judges and the juries will consider the detriments the criminal do to the society. More severe penalty will be delivered on those who was deemed to be extremely harmful to the society.
For murderers of avenging, their harm to the society should be much smaller than other murderers, because their hatred is directed to very limited persons. They will not kill other innocent people. In fact in most countries they will have less penalties.
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There isn't any "avenging" excuse in the law.
Of course, there is some lessened penalty for madness, or self defense, but avenging is certainly not accepted.
Avenging someone is doing justice oneself, absolutely not the absolute justice, and therefor, bias.
on the other hand, if Sekai is proved to be pregnant, it is much much heavier than a simple homicid.
There isn't any "avenging" excuse in the law.
Of course, there is some lessened penalty for madness, or self defense, but avenging is certainly not accepted.
Avenging someone is doing justice oneself, absolutely not the absolute justice, and therefor, bias.
on the other hand, if Sekai is proved to be pregnant, it is much much heavier than a simple homicid, as moral imbalance has big weight in the punishment for the crime, along with amount of harm.
If you ask me, it depends on who's running the country. Democrats, Mental Ward. Republicians, Death Chamber. She clearly took things too far.
Edit: That's the 3rd post in a row I've started with "If you ask me". My catch phrase?
According to the people who went to the special screening, the AT-X broadcast was edited heavily. In the uncut version, not only was the blood was red, there were no flashbacks during the Makoto stabbing scene (they showed a lot more of where she stabbed him), they actually showed Makoto's head in the bag, and there were apparently some noises added to the baby-confirmation scene.
Wow. I'm surprised to say I'm actually satisfied with the edited version. I don't really need to see exactly where Sekai stabbed Makoto, nor do I need to clearly see his dismembered head. And what kind of noises are we talking about ? Baby noises ?
Location: From the deepest abyss in the world, where you think?
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Wow. I'm surprised to say I'm actually satisfied with the edited version. I don't really need to see exactly where Sekai stabbed Makoto, nor do I need to clearly see his dismembered head. And what kind of noises are we talking about ? Baby noises ?
Impossible. For the sake of the argument lets say she definetly was pregnant, there's no way a baby that early in its development would even make any noise.
The edited version is already an overkill. I think this diminish the anime a little bit, knocking it down one notch or two.
This anime could have been a retribution to all those "harem animes", a very instructive one. Too bad the final episode diluted all those things, and people will talk more about the insanity of the girls rather than the notorious behavior of the male protagonist.
Wow. I'm surprised to say I'm actually satisfied with the edited version. I don't really need to see exactly where Sekai stabbed Makoto, nor do I need to clearly see his dismembered head. And what kind of noises are we talking about ? Baby noises ?
I dont think there would be baby noises since the fetus would be 1 to 2 months old. I thnks more of the line of Sekai trying to talk to it before dying. But this to my liking would be too much.
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insane gore FTW! all the more reason to get the DVD...
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