Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[Teletha]

Watched the subs. I still don't feel Alto was all the gung ho about getting Ranka back. Not that he didn't want her to come back, but he was still happy to go kill the vajra which is ignoring her wishes and feelings. There is no understanding or trust between them. He didn't even consider what she said. There is being dense, but this isn't dense. Something this important shouldn't be something he has to think about. He either believes in her or not. Judging by Ozma words at the end, he'll decide his true path but finally understanding why Ranka had to leave (if he ever does) seems to be too little too late for me.

That also makes me believe that he didn't comfort Sheryl out of pity. He might feel sorry for her, but I don't see it as pity in any way. He reacted to her pain.

Shipper wars aside, good episode. I can't wait until Leon dies already.

[wolfboy]

Ozma's such a badass. Own that princess Alto any day.

[germanturkey]

yeah, i want to see a dog fight between Alto and Ozma. that would be epic. i was kind of disappointed that Alto chose that side though. and yes, this basically declares victory for Sheryl.

[FlareKnight]

Well actually a pretty good episode. Can understand those who stayed behind. Luca hates the Vajra and wants to stay by Nanase. Alto made a promise to stay by Sheryl until her end. Klan its less specific. I think part is wanting to take down the Vajra as revenge. But also staying to keep an eye on the Alto and Sheryl situation. Support it as best she can. Had enough respect to salute them as they left and didn't take part in the battle as well.

SMS are now pirates . If they stuck around they would be split up and some like Ozma would be tracked down and killed by Leon. They had to get out of there and follow their own paths.

Ozma is a damn cool character. Which is probably why I'm worried about him lasting the series. Probably determined to leave us with just Alto .

Love Luca being put in his place a few times in this one. One by Sheryl with the comment about talking about someone's demise with big words. Then thinking he could actually take down Ozma and almost getting shot down. Doing a good job of making his death something to look forward to.

[JackRydden224]

When Sheryl asked Alto to give her courage I had an image of Shishio Guy screaming in my head. The romance thread is going to (if it hasn't already) explode because of this episode.

The episode, no, Sheryl gave me some weird vibes this episode. I certainly hope she will live on for Alto's sakes, but not necessary for a Alto x Sheryl pairing even though I'm a fan of it. The scene where Alto's mom's picture was shown in the shadow would indicate that if he loses Sheryl or someone else important he'll nap.

As far as taking sides, I doubt Alto will leave Sheryl by herself. If he rejoins Quarter then that would mean he knows the truth to some extend thus leaving Sheryl with Leon makes no sense.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by wolfboy

Ozma's such a badass. Own that princess Alto any day.

Well...

Alto's in an inferior fighter that he just piloted for the first time, he's a bit hot-headed without a clear purpose at the moment, and Ozma knows what he's doing(or so the director and story writers are telling him).

Put them both in VF-25's, and clear Alto's head a little bit, and I'd bet you that Alto would have gotten a much better hit on him. Ozma had the better shot this round, but he didn't own Alto.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by wolfboy

Ozma's such a badass. Own that princess Alto any day.

Thank you! I really don't know how people can't say that Alto was not owned by Ozma!
Also. it will take for Alto to cry about not being able to get Ranka to believe the he does want her back. HE squeezing his drink container in anger was not indicative, but to each their own. Sheryl shippers can't have Alto having any lingering feelings for Ranka because the will be betraying his love for Sheryl .

[germanturkey]

i believe alto was in the better fighter.

[Ypocaramel]

I'm kind of disappointed they couldn't drag out a VF-19 for NUNS. I mean, hey, Kawamori thought the VF-19 was too hero for mooks hence the VF-171, but we've got the main character in NUNS now, no less.

That dogfight at the end was amazing, fighter wanking aside. Hopefully there'll be more of that before the end.

[wolfboy]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

Well...

Alto's in an inferior fighter that he just piloted for the first time, he's a bit hot-headed without a clear purpose at the moment, and Ozma knows what he's doing(or so the director and story writers are telling him).

Put them both in VF-25's, and clear Alto's head a little bit, and I'd bet you that Alto would have gotten a much better hit on him. Ozma had the better shot this round, but he didn't own Alto.

Maybe...but he'll still never beat him in the badass department cause you know...he's a princess. bahaha

Ozma is the kind of lead this series should have got. Too bad they opted for something else to attract bishounen fangirls.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

i believe alto was in the better fighter.

No, the vf-25 is superior to altos fighter. Remember the vf-25 is a prototype unit being tested by sms.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by wolfboy

Maybe...but he'll still never beat him in the badass department cause you know...he's a princess. bahaha

Ozma is the kind of lead this series should have got. Too bad they opted for something else to attract bishounen fangirls.

It is ok! We guys get more then Bishounen fangirls, we get Klan, Sheryl, Ranka, Grace, Cathy and Also a man crush on Ozma :P

Originally Posted by Westlo

No, the vf-25 is superior to altos fighter. Remember the vf-25 is a prototype unit being tested by sms.

isn't a VF-171X basicaly a VF-171 with all the new improvements from the VF-25?

[Teletha]

Originally Posted by golthin

Thank you! I really don't know how people can't say that Alto was not owned by Ozma!
Also. it will take for Alto to cry about not being able to get Ranka to believe the he does want her back. HE squeezing his drink container in anger was not indicative, but to each their own. Sheryl shippers can't have Alto having any lingering feelings for Ranka because the will be betraying his love for Sheryl .

Ozma said he had gotten better. I don't think he was owned.

He did squeeze his drink but right before he was killing the things she went to save. Then was happy about Luca saying they need to kill them again. I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't want her back, he does care for her obviously. But Sheryl is not the one keeping him away from going after her. As he is now going after her would change nothing. He hasn't changed how he thinks. His lack of understanding is pretty obvious. She told him he loved him and seemed to pick the vajra over Frontier. He didn't defend her when she was called a traitor. He can't believe in her, or question what he's doing now? I don't expect him to get over Michael's death, but he's not even hesitating to fight the vajra even after hearing what Ranka said.

[germanturkey]

Originally Posted by Westlo

No, the vf-25 is superior to altos fighter. Remember the vf-25 is a prototype unit being tested by sms.

yeah, not in touch with the tech side of macross at all...

cause ozma said "in your crudely upgraded fighter" so i assumed.

[Mughi]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

...SMS are now pirates .

Hence the foreshadowing Pirates of the Caribbean style music on the soundtrack the first time they launched the Quarter...

Yoko Kanno knows what she's doing...

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

yeah, not in touch with the tech side of macross at all...

cause ozma said "in your crudely upgraded fighter" so i assumed.

that's because it's a crudely upgraded fighter over the standard VF-171.

[coldwarm]

I can't believe I went through all the trouble just to get my account back and to comment on this episode. This episode was awesome. Also, both Alto and Ozma are badass. Why people think only Ozma is badass?

I wanna see berara & Grace vs alto & ozma

[wolfboy]

Originally Posted by coldwarm

Also, both Alto and Ozma are badass. Why people think only Ozma is badass?

Because Ozma rickrolled everyone and survived a crapload of death flags in one episode.

As for Alto?
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mf0402sq1.jpg

[Haesslich]

Originally Posted by Westlo

The episode 25 thread there is going to be hilarious.

I'm more inclined to think "Ranka will charge in to save Alto, or pull off a Macross Zero rescue" than "Alto charges into the Vajra hive, takes Ranka away from Brera, then nukes Grace". At the moment, Alto's gameplan seems to be more "charge into the Vajra hive, nuke everyone there including Ranka if she's foolish enough to stick around defending the Vajra, get out".

At this stage, Alto's had his chance to go rescue (or join) Ranka... and he chose to stay on the side where he could continue to kill Vajra. He doesn't trust Ranka's motives, doesn't believe Ranka's correct, and certainly doesn't think Ranka's a very smart girl for running off to join the Vajra. Otherwise he could've jumped ship, as it were, to join the rest of SMS.

Originally Posted by wolfboy

Because Ozma rickrolled everyone and survived a crapload of death flags in one episode.

As for Alto?
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mf0402sq1.jpg

You forgot that Alto's lost every fight he had with Brera as far as hand to hand goes, got man-handled by Mikhail AND Canaria... and also got knocked down by Ai-kun before he grew big.

Ozma, on the other hand, fought Brera to a draw in 17. Between that and the 'have his pineapple cake and eat it, and stealing Cathy away from Leon' activities, he's earned his Badass.

[coldwarm]

Bah, Alto is improving. By the end of the series, he will be one of the top dogs.