(L) Boku no Hero Academia

[FlareKnight]

The chapter worked. They set up the conflict nicely and frankly it was fun seeing Shigaraki get schooled. The point is well made. They had so many high level pawns and squandered their usage. They talk about expanding their power and being the new major power with the light and dark elites having fallen. And yet past history seems to show that Shigaraki doesn't have a clue what he's doing and doesn't have the experience to build up an organization properly.

Good impression by Overhaul. You could almost argue it would be better for Shigaraki and his group to just go and work for him. Luckily they don't plan on doing that. Can have a bit of a villain war. Though it doesn't seem like Overhaul wants to waste resources and minions in chipping away at each other's forces.

Solid development.

[Kanon]

That was a really interesting chapter. It's nice to see there is conflict and a power struggle among the villains.

[johnfox]

If we compare both groups to say dc comics villans, Overhaul's group fells like the Flash's Rogues, basically people capable of not only working together perfectly fine but also coming up with reasonable and reallistic plans with clear end goals while Shigaraki and his group are more like Batman's villans, people barely capable of working together because of their egos and psychosis and each one has is own goals that may not align with those of the group as a whole or make any sense whatsoever outside their minds.

[Wandering Soul]

It was a pretty cool to see Overhaul put Shigaraki put in his place. Shigaraki needs to realize that not everyone in going to fall in line and follow him so easily. So far his track record really isn't helping his case.

[marvelB]

You know, something I find really interesting about this chapter is that it once again shows how Shigaraki's situation is kinda mirroring Deku's. Notice that currently, the both of them are receiving guidance from their seniors (reluctantly so, in Shigaraki's case). Both of them even had to deal with internal conflict on their parts (Deku's rematch with Bakugou, this chapter's bloodshed between Shigaraki and Overhaul's factions). We even learn that, much like how All Might's retirement heavily impacted the world of heroes, AFO's defeat had a huge effect in the villain underworld, as well. I really like how Horikoshi is showing all these parallels between the two.... it's not often that you see stories where the villains are literally growing alongside their hero arch-rivals. I think I'm looking forward to Shigaraki's development just as much as Deku's, at this rate!

[Slayerx]

A really good chapter. Instantly loving these Yakuza guys. They feel more intimidating and calculating. Though what i really like is that we are getting a second group of a villains. It just makes the world feel a bit broader

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

actually shigarakis skill isnt instant-kill :/

even if it touches you in the head it would immediately kill you if you pull away a second later

anyway,
nice chapter, but i seem to be the only one who thought that the "flashback" for the magnet-guy was a cheap way to show him being "someone that could be cared about"...
i didnt like that we saw 2 panels of his past and suddenly he gets killed, hori should have build more on the chars before killing them, all i felt was "wow, that power is OP" instead of being shocked/interested in that guys death at all

Actually i'm wondering if those flashback panels were not about making Magne sympathetic but about setting up his friend to replace him when she reacts to his death.

[homohominilupus]

Yknow, regarding that Magne's flashback, I was under impression that that friend was Tiger from Pussycats for some reason. I think I can vaugely remember that they knew each other from before in that training camp?. Or it's just my memory messing with me.
But yeah, lovin the latest development on villains side. Heck, for a moment I even tought that villain alliance will be annihilated. That would be quite a development. But the weren't, and new group enterd the scene. Now the question is, what does All Might want from Deku and Mirio.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

They seem to have something that cancels quirks which doesn't seem to be coming from an ability user, judging from their dialogue.

Some kind of projectile weapon, but it could still be an anti-quirk quirk.

[B214]

I wonder how Deku's blood that Toga collected will play a role in this.

[Sixth]

Personally, I don't like Shigaraki. I know that he meant to be a villain but this guy is over the top and too edgy for me. It would be nice to see Shigaraki get pissed off when Deku doesn't treat him as a threat.

Police: Deku! There are 2 evil organizations attacking the civilians now. One at City A and another is at City Z.

Deku: Who are they? More information needed.

Police: Shigaraki team is causing rampage at City A while Overhaul lead the attack at City Z. So, what will you do-

Deku: Shigaraki is a noob. Police forces and Rank B heroes will able to handle him. I am going to City Z NOW!

Shigaraki: Why Deku chose Overhaul over me????? WHY? WHYYYYYYY? AM successor chose a cheap Yakuza over me, the next AFO? *cutting his wrist*

[TobiBadass6969]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

There's more to it than that. Don't read Marvel at all anymore since it's gone to complete SJW shipper pandering dogshit, but DC's heroes do more than "punch" people. They investigate, tackle moral, psychological and social dilemmas, build super groups they interact with characters from other serials regularly and most of the time their science is spot on. BnH is inspired heavily from western comics and imo it's story structure, themes and even artstyle reflect that. I mean if anything manga, shounen especially, is more known for their weaker stories and "punch the problem until it's solved" style of conflict resolution.

Haven't read Marvel comics in a few years too and don't feel like coming back to read it right now either, don't like Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel costume(went through an SJW-phase myself where I wanted to see all female heroes/villains covered up unless they were very sexual and flirty 24/7)either and miss the black leotard and boots

Also, gotta agree with you. BNHA looks to be pretty aware that supervillains are/can be pretty complicated whether they're (somewhat)sympathetic anti-villains or pragmatic assholes.

BNHA superheroes also don't keep on using words like "Justice" like other anime superhero deconstructions/reconstructions I saw like Tiger&Bunny and Ratman(superheroes in Marvel/DC I recall barely ever talk like that with the word "Justice" and maybe act like Black-and-White-Insanity Knight Templars)

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

The point is well made. They had so many high level pawns and squandered their usage.

Overhaul underestimates the power of the heroes.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by ChuckE

Overhaul underestimates the power of the heroes.

and Overhaul is wrong about one thing, Stain. The hero killer is never a part of Shigaraki. He was on his own.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by ChuckE

Overhaul underestimates the power of the heroes.

Not exactly. He says that the talents of those villains was wasted. He doesn't so much take issue with the fact that they were defeated so much that they were defeated without achieving a great objective. I mean Shigaraki essentially lost both moonfish and Muscular attacking a bunch of student heroes... that's not really the kind of job you make sacrifices for; you can afford to lose grunts for a job like that, but not high level players. If Shigaraki had lost those two in order to take down the top five heroes, i don't think Overhaul would be complaining as much... Even with Stain who did seem to do quite a bit for the villains cause, Overhaul probably believes he could have done a whole lot more. Heck he might even now count Magne whose life was wasted over a simple disagreement.

Originally Posted by Sixth

and Overhaul is wrong about one thing, Stain. The hero killer is never a part of Shigaraki. He was on his own.

Yes, but that's because Shigaraki has been allowing people to believe that Stain was part of his group in order to recruit new members. So Shigaraki gets both the credit for Stain's infamous ramage, and the blame for his defeat

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by Sixth

Personally, I don't like Shigaraki. I know that he meant to be a villain but this guy is over the top and too edgy for me. It would be nice to see Shigaraki get pissed off when Deku doesn't treat him as a threat.

Well, like I was saying in my previous post, I'm pretty sure the point the author's making is that Shigaraki is just as inexperienced a villain as Deku is a hero. Though there's a big difference in that Shigaraki's much more reckless in comparison... hence his constant failures. But as I was also saying in my previous post, Overhaul seems to be acting as the Mirio to Shigaraki's Deku, in a way.... so maybe facepalm-man will actually swallow his pride and learn a few pointers from Yakuza Plague Man....

[TobiBadass6969]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Well, like I was saying in my previous post, I'm pretty sure the point the author's making is that Shigaraki is just as inexperienced a villain as Deku is a hero. Though there's a big difference in that Shigaraki's much more reckless in comparison... hence his constant failures. But as I was also saying in my previous post, Overhaul seems to be acting as the Mirio to Shigaraki's Deku, in a way.... so maybe facepalm-man will actually swallow his pride and learn a few pointers from Yakuza Plague Man....

But HE has to be the one on top, unless he plans on "betraying" him quickly

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by TobiBadass6969

But HE has to be the one on top, unless he plans on "betraying" him quickly

he doesnt need to be the one on top all the time (or from the very beginning),
obviously he will grow with time and experience so why not learning from someone who kept a doomed organization alive only thanks to his smart way of using people?

of course shiga will betray overhaul at some point but still...learning from him would be the smartest move...

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Well, like I was saying in my previous post, I'm pretty sure the point the author's making is that Shigaraki is just as inexperienced a villain as Deku is a hero. Though there's a big difference in that Shigaraki's much more reckless in comparison... hence his constant failures. But as I was also saying in my previous post, Overhaul seems to be acting as the Mirio to Shigaraki's Deku, in a way.... so maybe facepalm-man will actually swallow his pride and learn a few pointers from Yakuza Plague Man....

I knew what you meant. What I want is, with all those development that Shigaraki went through and how AFO bank everything on him, and he still failed because other villains overshadowed him so badly.

Just like you thought Orochimaru was a big deal and it turned out he was just another villain where the MC doesn't really give it a damn.

[Somethindarker]

Shigaraki is always going on about using people and yet he doesn't realize that he can be a subordinate and still be using someone. Once he's learned everything he needs then he can stage a coup, assassinate the leader or splinter off from the main group, this altercation just shows his inexperience in not knowing when a good opportunity slaps him in the face. Now he not only has to worry about the heroes but a rival faction of villains who are, for all intents and purposes, more experienced, united and have the prestige of being "oldschool". Shigaraki is acting like a spoiled child wanting to be first and thinking his way or the highway, he picked a fight with someone who has absolutely no idea how dangerous he was and paid for it. He needs to grow the fuck up, Deku already grew up thanks to Stain and Shigaraki himself the author is such a great storyteller making these character deep and flawed growing from their experiences. Ironically AFO and AM both have the exact same teaching style "learn from experience" I just wish AM had died instead of lingering.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Shigaraki is always going on about using people and yet he doesn't realize that he can be a subordinate and still be using someone. Once he's learned everything he needs then he can stage a coup, assassinate the leader or splinter off from the main group, this altercation just shows his inexperience in not knowing when a good opportunity slaps him in the face. Now he not only has to worry about the heroes but a rival faction of villains who are, for all intents and purposes, more experienced, united and have the prestige of being "oldschool". Shigaraki is acting like a spoiled child wanting to be first and thinking his way or the highway, he picked a fight with someone who has absolutely no idea how dangerous he was and paid for it. He needs to grow the fuck up, Deku already grew up thanks to Stain and Shigaraki himself the author is such a great storyteller making these character deep and flawed growing from their experiences. Ironically AFO and AM both have the exact same teaching style "learn from experience" I just wish AM had died instead of lingering.

Maybe because the author doesn't want to make it "cliche", you know, mentor died for the future sake and etc.

Also, have the feeling that AM will regain his strength later and have a rematch between AFO for a final round.