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Sugetsu · 2003-12-17, 01:57

HAHAHA DBZ is one the greates anime ever, why? READ THIS CAREFULY!!!

The stupid US tv alters the content of almost everything that they think has violence included (Or just becuase they think they can make it cooler). As a result, they change the principal characteristics of the anime, a clear exanple of this is DBZ! this anime shown in cartoon network SUCKS! REALLY SUCKS! they changed the music, the intro, the ending, they cut and paste some scenes and the put ugly voices! They ended up deteriorating the whole story.

Another good example of this is Saint Seiya, or Zodiac Knights, which is being shown on cartoon network at midnight. This is one of the greates anime series of all time and here it just sucks, they have altered this anime so much that the whole consept of the show has been changed. Now, when you see saint seiya in cartoon network it is like whatching Power Rangers!!

Edit: Everyone please read these reviews that I found in amazon.com

Box set - episodes 1-25

DBZ Box set - episodes 1-25 (Second page)

boneyjellyfish · 2003-12-17, 02:02

This was the FUNNIEST post I've read all day, and I have a feeling this entire post is sarcastic, as no sane man could actually say that DBZ is really good. Saint Seiya is a good series, though. DBZ stinks.

It lacks intelligence of any kind.
It drags on for all eternity.
Its story loses focus after the Frieza saga.
What little story it has doesn't actually resolve.
The fights are tedious and all come down to the same basic conclusion.

Anyway, thanks for the laugh there, Sugetsu. It really made my day!

Sugetsu · 2003-12-17, 02:07

I'm dead serious!
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...?t=2937&page=2 If you read that post you'll understand that there are people who hate DBZ, I got pissed off becuase it is not the first time I read that so I just decided to make a post explaining why American anime is BAD.

NoSanninWa · 2003-12-17, 02:10

I've watched some DBZ in japanese. I've also seen some of it dubbed on Cartoon Network. There is no perceptible difference in the level of quality, so I must disagree.

I will admit though that I am too frightened to watch Zodiac Knights since I am a long time fan of Saint Seiya. Just the title was enough to keep me away. I'm afraid that they'll do a "Sailor Scout" to it. I shiver in horror at what DiC did to Sailor Moon and don't want to see Saint Seiya reduced to the same level.

boneyjellyfish · 2003-12-17, 02:12

Oh, most of us are quite aware of how much the american dub of DBZ stinks. However, no amount of Dub Stinkage can change the fact that the subject matter sucks. In fact, it sucks so much that a vacuum appears in its wake. Yeah, that sounds about right.

If you want to see some GOOD anime, might I suggest something like Visions of Escaflowne, Infinite Ryvius, or the new "fanboy" craze, Naruto? It's like DBZ, except better in every aspect (and fights don't take eighty episodes to finish).

Also, please don't post the same thing twice in the future. Just a little tip from your pal, boneyjellyfish the kazoo player.

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I will admit though that I am too frightened to watch Zodiac Knights since I am a long time fan of Saint Seiya. Just the title was enough to keep me away. I'm afraid that they'll do a "Sailor Scout" to it. I shiver in horror at what DiC did to Sailor Moon and don't want to see Saint Seiya reduced to the same level.

I saw an episode of it. It doesn't compare to the original at all.

I must admit, though. The DiC dub of SailorMoon was actually my first anime, and is one of my few guilty pleasures in this world. The biggest guilty pleasure, of course, is newbie bashing. Zing!

Alfzilla · 2003-12-17, 02:13

Not all American anime is bad just the one that makes it on tv and the company that messed up DBZ learned there lesson cus they haven’t messed with a anime that badly since (not that i know of at least) and also don’t get too worked up over people talking about animes they dont like cus no matter how much you mite like a show there will always be groups out there just waiting for there opportunity to flame it.

Dark_Voodoo · 2003-12-17, 02:14

Now I dont hate DB/DBZ/DBGT, DB was actually quite a good manga and the DBZ anime wasent that bad ( I'v seen worse). So I dont agree with evryone who think DBZ is the satan of anime, it isent (thats Lensman). DBZ is a old anime wich has been used to many times and should be left to rest, becuse admitt it there are way better animes out there

NoSanninWa · 2003-12-17, 02:15

Hey! I liked Lensman!

boneyjellyfish · 2003-12-17, 02:19

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Originally Posted by Dark_Voodoo

So I dont agree with evryone who think DBZ is the satan of anime, it isent (thats Lensman).

Actually, DBZ is indeed the anime satan. Don't you remember the main character named Mr. Satan?

Sugetsu · 2003-12-17, 02:20

Actually people from many countries think that is a GREAT SERIES:

It has exelent action secuences.

You never get tired of seeing how powerful the main characters can become.

The story may have suffered a little in the begining of the zell saga but at the end when Gohan becomes Super Sayayin level 2 and Goku dies it get's to be interesting once again.

The music is great.

The lenght of the series is well justificated, since the end is really well made. The made Vegata at last recognice Goku's strengh and the whole world got united to destroy the ultimate enemy.

But based on what I have seen here in the US, DBZ really sucks, as I said before everything is changed and Yes the series here are really DUMB! It was the same with saint seiya!

hunterx · 2003-12-17, 02:22

dbz doesn't suck, it's just old so out with the old in with the new. 258 episodes doesn't mean it suck at all. many many crappy ones don't last that long

boneyjellyfish · 2003-12-17, 02:24

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

It has exelent action secuences.

You never get tired of seeing how powerful the main characters can become.

The story may have suffered a little in the begining of the zell saga but at the end when Gohan becomes Super Sayayin level 2 and Goku dies it get's to be interesting once again.

The music is great.

Ah ha... HAHAHAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

The lenght of the series is well justificated, since the end is really well made. The made Vegata at last recognice Goku's strengh and the whole world got united to destroy the ultimate enemy.

No, the length of the series is not justified in any way, other than the fact that it was mostly just a way to make MONEY!!

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

But based on what I have seen here in the US, DBZ really sucks

Hey! For once we agree on something!

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

SO DON'T SAY THAT I'M JOKING BECAUSE THE IF YOU SAY THAT DBZ SUCKS IT WILL BE NOT JUST ME BUT A LOT OF EUROPEANS, SOUTH AMERICANS, AND JAPANESE WILL COME TO KILL YA : )

DBZ sucks.

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Originally Posted by hunterx

dbz doesn't suck, it's just old so out with the old in with the new. 258 episodes doesn't mean it suck at all. many many crappy ones don't last that long

Actually, all three series put together are nearly 500 episodes long (maybe more). However, the only good series of the three is DB. The anime and manga were supposed to end at the Frieza saga (the best point in DBZ), but they just needed MORE money, so they milked it for all it was worth.

Sugetsu · 2003-12-17, 02:25

not everything that is old sucks, has anyone seen Future Boy Connan as ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE?

GATX207_Blitz · 2003-12-17, 02:32

something I did long ago that doesn't matter anymore and now its closed

whatever123 · 2003-12-17, 02:46

well i think that DBZ along with city hunter were one of the first series i ever watched and one of the main reasons i got into anime i really liked goku and gohan the whole pure hearted but as strong as an ogre main character was nice what really sucked in the anime is how much it drags on and i stopped watching it after the cell saga but i watched DBGT

PastGrandKnight · 2003-12-17, 02:52

::sigh:: when will the DBZ bashing ever stop? Ok, Sailor Moon was also my first anime and DBZ was my second. There are a lot of people in the same boat so I will make NO excuses. It all boils down to this: Truthfully, the series is too long. Akira Toryama (read it in an interview) wanted to end it at Cell. Sometimes the animation is shoddy and fights drag on. But I will say this, many people love it because they have been following these characters' stories for so long that they grow on them. I used to be a huge fan, but I've moved on and grew to love other series. HOWEVER I'm still buying the occasional DBZ dvd because they hold a lot of nostalgic value. My Japanese VHS wont last forever...anyway, bashing anime only hurts peoples feelings and thats not cool. I'm glad that so many people love anime to begin with, so I refuse to make fun of someone for their interests. In other words: Can't we all just get along!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?

Kamui4356 · 2003-12-17, 02:53

The main problem with dbz is it takes 30+ episodes for one fight. Now is that because the fight is so great with constant action betwen two equally matched opponents who refuse to give up and fight untill they're completely exausted? No. It's because they often spend 5-10 episodes powering up for one attack that doesn't even work!!! If someone would edit it so they don't take as long, and the fights are constant seamless action, DBZ may be saved. Until then it just sucks. Since I don't see that happening anytime soon, it'll continue to suck for quite some time.
If you don't believe me watch some of the movies. Sure they aren't exactly masterpieces, but they're a lot better that the series since there's no time to go through that whole 50 episode power up thing.

Sugetsu · 2003-12-17, 02:55

10 minutes flash backs? When? Repetitive stuff over and over? When?

The fights are long because the anime is very detailed in the action secuences, so the author tries to make the fighting sequences as tied and surprising as they could be, as an example watch the three big fights, goku vs freezer, goku and gohan vs cell, and the Magin buu's fight. All of them were quite long (more than 3 episodes) but each part was like watching a Jakie Chan's action secuence (long and detailed) The result of this is that it doesn't get boring because every fight has its own circumstances and style. You can even see that goku fights deferently compared to Vegata, Picolo, Trunks or Krilin. Plus the story is not predictable; it is not like the main character (Goku) will win every battle (in fact he even dies once). And on top of everything the length of the story is not Just to make money (which is what all anime series aim for) as the story goes on you can see appreciate the life of Goku and the rest of the characters. This series may not be as complex as Lain, but it has lots of detail which for me its strongest point.

As a matter of fact Naruto, with its 62 episodes and his manga both of them with no sign of ending any time soon, is aiming towards the same goal. : p

Keitaro · 2003-12-17, 03:07

DBZ isn' too bad but I still think the orignal DB was the best of all three series. After DB it all went downhill with all the SSJ crap.

Kamui4356 · 2003-12-17, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

Plus the story is not predictable; it is not like the main character (Goku) will win every battle (in fact he even dies once).

Second problem with DBZ, death has absolutly no meaning in that series. Goku Scrifaces himself to save the earth from Radiz(sp?). He's wished back. He dies against Cell, comes back.... Vegita dies against freeza, wished back..krillen dies, wished back...Notice a pattern? You mentioned Naruto in your post. Both are the same type of series. Which one is better? 90% of people will probably say Naruto. Why, because they don't drag fights on forever with pointless powering up for attacks that don't work, and they don't cheapen death by wishing characters back. Further the plot is a lot better than DBZ. Not that Naruto is the most complicated anime ever made, but it's enough that you aren't ashamed to admit you like it.

2003-12-17, 01:57	Link #1
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	Why People Hate Dbz? Are You Nuts? HAHAHA DBZ is one the greates anime ever, why? READ THIS CAREFULY!!! The stupid US tv alters the content of almost everything that they think has violence included (Or just becuase they think they can make it cooler). As a result, they change the principal characteristics of the anime, a clear exanple of this is DBZ! this anime shown in cartoon network SUCKS! REALLY SUCKS! they changed the music, the intro, the ending, they cut and paste some scenes and the put ugly voices! They ended up deteriorating the whole story. Another good example of this is Saint Seiya, or Zodiac Knights, which is being shown on cartoon network at midnight. This is one of the greates anime series of all time and here it just sucks, they have altered this anime so much that the whole consept of the show has been changed. Now, when you see saint seiya in cartoon network it is like whatching Power Rangers!! Edit: Everyone please read these reviews that I found in amazon.com Box set - episodes 1-25 DBZ Box set - episodes 1-25 (Second page) __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco Last edited by Sugetsu; 2004-06-26 at 02:10.

2003-12-17, 02:07	Link #3
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	I'm dead serious! http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...?t=2937&page=2 If you read that post you'll understand that there are people who hate DBZ, I got pissed off becuase it is not the first time I read that so I just decided to make a post explaining why American anime is BAD. __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2003-12-17, 02:10	Link #4
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	I've watched some DBZ in japanese. I've also seen some of it dubbed on Cartoon Network. There is no perceptible difference in the level of quality, so I must disagree. I will admit though that I am too frightened to watch Zodiac Knights since I am a long time fan of Saint Seiya. Just the title was enough to keep me away. I'm afraid that they'll do a "Sailor Scout" to it. I shiver in horror at what DiC did to Sailor Moon and don't want to see Saint Seiya reduced to the same level. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2003-12-17, 02:15	Link #8
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Hey! I liked Lensman! __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2003-12-17, 02:20	Link #10
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	Actually people from many countries think that is a GREAT SERIES: It has exelent action secuences. You never get tired of seeing how powerful the main characters can become. The story may have suffered a little in the begining of the zell saga but at the end when Gohan becomes Super Sayayin level 2 and Goku dies it get's to be interesting once again. The music is great. The lenght of the series is well justificated, since the end is really well made. The made Vegata at last recognice Goku's strengh and the whole world got united to destroy the ultimate enemy. But based on what I have seen here in the US, DBZ really sucks, as I said before everything is changed and Yes the series here are really DUMB! It was the same with saint seiya! __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco Last edited by Sugetsu; 2004-06-26 at 02:12.

2003-12-17, 02:02	Link #2
boneyjellyfish Evangelist of the Kazoo Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: AnimeSuki Forums	This was the FUNNIEST post I've read all day, and I have a feeling this entire post is sarcastic, as no sane man could actually say that DBZ is really good. Saint Seiya is a good series, though. DBZ stinks. It lacks intelligence of any kind. It drags on for all eternity. Its story loses focus after the Frieza saga. What little story it has doesn't actually resolve. The fights are tedious and all come down to the same basic conclusion. Anyway, thanks for the laugh there, Sugetsu. It really made my day!

2003-12-17, 02:13	Link #6
Alfzilla Was Here Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, CA Age: 40	Not all American anime is bad just the one that makes it on tv and the company that messed up DBZ learned there lesson cus they haven’t messed with a anime that badly since (not that i know of at least) and also don’t get too worked up over people talking about animes they dont like cus no matter how much you mite like a show there will always be groups out there just waiting for there opportunity to flame it.

2003-12-17, 02:14	Link #7
Dark_Voodoo In The Navy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 38	Now I dont hate DB/DBZ/DBGT, DB was actually quite a good manga and the DBZ anime wasent that bad ( I'v seen worse). So I dont agree with evryone who think DBZ is the satan of anime, it isent (thats Lensman). DBZ is a old anime wich has been used to many times and should be left to rest, becuse admitt it there are way better animes out there

2003-12-17, 02:22	Link #11
hunterx ore wa kanpeki da Join Date: Nov 2003	dbz doesn't suck, it's just old so out with the old in with the new. 258 episodes doesn't mean it suck at all. many many crappy ones don't last that long

2003-12-17, 02:25	Link #13
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	not everything that is old sucks, has anyone seen Future Boy Connan as ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE? __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2003-12-17, 02:32	Link #14
GATX207_Blitz Gobble Gobble Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KAZOO-TOPIA Age: 39	something I did long ago that doesn't matter anymore and now its closed Last edited by GATX207_Blitz; 2004-03-07 at 03:00.

2003-12-17, 02:46	Link #15
whatever123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	well i think that DBZ along with city hunter were one of the first series i ever watched and one of the main reasons i got into anime i really liked goku and gohan the whole pure hearted but as strong as an ogre main character was nice what really sucked in the anime is how much it drags on and i stopped watching it after the cell saga but i watched DBGT __________________

2003-12-17, 02:52	Link #16
PastGrandKnight Grand Knight of the Past Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 39	::sigh:: when will the DBZ bashing ever stop? Ok, Sailor Moon was also my first anime and DBZ was my second. There are a lot of people in the same boat so I will make NO excuses. It all boils down to this: Truthfully, the series is too long. Akira Toryama (read it in an interview) wanted to end it at Cell. Sometimes the animation is shoddy and fights drag on. But I will say this, many people love it because they have been following these characters' stories for so long that they grow on them. I used to be a huge fan, but I've moved on and grew to love other series. HOWEVER I'm still buying the occasional DBZ dvd because they hold a lot of nostalgic value. My Japanese VHS wont last forever...anyway, bashing anime only hurts peoples feelings and thats not cool. I'm glad that so many people love anime to begin with, so I refuse to make fun of someone for their interests. In other words: Can't we all just get along!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?

2003-12-17, 02:53	Link #17
Kamui4356 Aria Company Join Date: Nov 2003	The main problem with dbz is it takes 30+ episodes for one fight. Now is that because the fight is so great with constant action betwen two equally matched opponents who refuse to give up and fight untill they're completely exausted? No. It's because they often spend 5-10 episodes powering up for one attack that doesn't even work!!! If someone would edit it so they don't take as long, and the fights are constant seamless action, DBZ may be saved. Until then it just sucks. Since I don't see that happening anytime soon, it'll continue to suck for quite some time. If you don't believe me watch some of the movies. Sure they aren't exactly masterpieces, but they're a lot better that the series since there's no time to go through that whole 50 episode power up thing.

2003-12-17, 02:55	Link #18
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	10 minutes flash backs? When? Repetitive stuff over and over? When? The fights are long because the anime is very detailed in the action secuences, so the author tries to make the fighting sequences as tied and surprising as they could be, as an example watch the three big fights, goku vs freezer, goku and gohan vs cell, and the Magin buu's fight. All of them were quite long (more than 3 episodes) but each part was like watching a Jakie Chan's action secuence (long and detailed) The result of this is that it doesn't get boring because every fight has its own circumstances and style. You can even see that goku fights deferently compared to Vegata, Picolo, Trunks or Krilin. Plus the story is not predictable; it is not like the main character (Goku) will win every battle (in fact he even dies once). And on top of everything the length of the story is not Just to make money (which is what all anime series aim for) as the story goes on you can see appreciate the life of Goku and the rest of the characters. This series may not be as complex as Lain, but it has lots of detail which for me its strongest point. As a matter of fact Naruto, with its 62 episodes and his manga both of them with no sign of ending any time soon, is aiming towards the same goal. : p __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2003-12-17, 03:07	Link #19
Keitaro Kyuuketsuki Otaku Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere in Hawaii	DBZ isn' too bad but I still think the orignal DB was the best of all three series. After DB it all went downhill with all the SSJ crap. __________________