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And when was it established that burial by a Gravekeeper is supposed to occur immediately after death? I'm honestly not recalling if that happened. Quote:
Is it really wrong for somebody to move around after they "die" just because it's "unnatural"? Even though in Sunday it appears to be God's will? Remember that the Gravekeepers came a while after death stopped working. Couldn't someone try to put their post-death time to good use? Imagine: Random guy: I got shot through the heart, but I can still move? This is wonderful, now I can go back to my family and help take care of them instead of them having to carry on without a father! HH: LOL NO! *Headshot* |
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2013-07-19, 21:39 | Link #243 |
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^ I think you misunderstood something here. It wasn't mentioned anywhere HH would shoot people as he pleased just right after they're dead, what we've been shown up til now is that he only shot those (the villagers and Juvie's wife) who tried to go against nature's order by clinging to life even after dying. The bad thing about it is that the longer they stay on earth the stronger their desire not to die, and the Half-dead Fever was the worst thing happened to mankind after their immortality wish was granted. Not to mention how the families of the dead will start clinging to their loved ones later on, which will become a huge burden to the society.
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2013-07-19, 23:34 | Link #244 | |
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There's also the question of how Alfa could possibly die on her own. For all we know, they could have incapacitated Alfa because they were afraid of her gravekeeper powers, then deceived Ai into killing her by burying her. |
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2013-07-19, 23:44 | Link #245 |
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HH really got on my nerves as well as Ai's willingness to follow him even after everything he'd done, but it's an interesting premise, and I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes.
In regards to what's been mentioned above. I'm guessing that HH feels justified in doing what he does, and may be justified within the confines of this show if the villagers really were already dead and he's trying to keep something like the Half-Dead fever from happening again. Sure perhaps the process takes a while to happen, but slowly but surely it happens, and the people go crazy and endanger others. |
2013-07-20, 00:04 | Link #246 | |
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@Tranhieu Well the part about how the guy was freshly dead wasn't really the important part in that. Let me try again:
Wife: Oh, honey, I'm so glad you're still around to help out even after your accident. I don't know how we'd survive without you! Imagine how bad off the village would be if it lost its only doctor! "Dead" husband: I know, right? An undead doctor may be weird, but I'm still useful! HH: *Headshot* So okay, Half-Dead Fever is a big deal, but let's go back to considering the villagers for a moment. Some people are speculating that they killed Ai's mother because she tried to bury them because they were Sunday-Dead. That happened when Ai was 7. She is now 12. So if they killed Ai's mother because she wanted to bury them, that means they were dead for at least five years before HH attacked them. I didn't see any signs of Half-Dead Fever in them, did you? So Half-Dead Fever can take a LONG time to become a problem. So even if the villagers were Sunday-Dead, he didn't have to do what he did, when he did it. Of course, since that argument assumes that the villagers killed Ai's mother and were already Sunday-Dead for five years, it could easily be wrong. Those are some pretty big assumptions to make. Which reminds me, I have a question for the people who think that the villagers were already Sunday-Dead. What exactly do you think killed them? Incidentally, while I was writing this post I rewatched part of the first episode for reference and noticed something odd. After Ai accused HH of lying, he claimed that people killing people is now a thing of the past, because only gravekeepers can kill people now. That suggests that he might not consider ending someone's life signs to be the same as killing them. The villagers may well have been alive in the traditional sense before HH's attack. Then again, this could all be contradicted by the LNs, which I don't read. Quote:
Regarding Alfa's death, isn't it just as likely that it has something to do with Ai existing? A gravekeeper child is something that isn't supposed to exist, so Alfa may have had some serious issues that arose from that (life force depletion or something like that). |
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2013-07-20, 00:46 | Link #248 | ||
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Also, let's keep in mind that you are not defending terminally ill people. Ai commented on Anna's smell which was likely implied to be her rotting body. The farmer who got half his head out looked disturbing, still being able to move around. There is something inherently wrong with dead people being able to move around, and even Ai instinctively felt horrified, even they were people close to her. |
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2013-07-20, 03:47 | Link #249 | |
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That aside it's hard to defend HH's view without accidentally dropping spoilers here and there, all thanks to the anime rushing things and ended up skipping some character development parts (both Ai's and HH's). You may wanna have a look at the manga to have a better grip on HH's 'black' justice. |
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2013-07-20, 07:23 | Link #250 | |
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He also seems to be the secondary main character.
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2013-07-20, 08:53 | Link #251 |
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When it comes to morality and Humpty, I'll just say that from what it looks like at the moment to me, Humpty pretty much seems like a horrible human being and definitely a mass murderer. He implies that there were justifications for what he did and if Ai wants to give him the opportunity to prove it then it's fine for her to do so. But what i find slightly problematic is that Ai seems just a bit too trusting of someone she saw brutally murder the people she loved and that the only reason we know that Humpty probably does have a good reason is more due to the narrative than than anything else, since it makes it far too clear that Humpty's brief justification at the end of the episode was more exposition than a murderer's excuse.
In any case, having finally gotten round to watching the first two episodes i have to say that I'm positively enraptured. The second episode in particular was great in it's atmosphere and in giving us more and interesting sides to Humpty who is a fascinating mystery (even if he's not that difficult a mystery). I just hope it doesn't drag out the mystery side of him for too long. I mean most of us have already managed to grasp a good idea of what his motive was for killing the villagers and if they make it too obvious then the revelation will be lacking impact. This is only important, however, if it's as integral to the show as the end of the episode made it out to be.
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2013-07-20, 09:51 | Link #253 |
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As far as I'm concerned, if something has conciousness and intelligence then it is most definitely alive, regardless of what it's body is like. In any case it's all dependant on where you are on the sliding scale.
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I can't say Scar is human with how robotic she acts. I also can't say I'd be comfortable talking to a person with wide open, unfocused eyes and half his head missing either. In any case, there are plenty of reasons to dislike and be uncomfortable living with zombies. To say there is nothing wrong with them is simply incorrect. |
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2013-07-20, 14:55 | Link #258 | ||
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And of course HH couldn't kill anyone simply cause not being able moving talking and stuff doesn't isn't same as death, comatose patients aren't dead neither paralised ones. There are only two type of dead: biological and spiritual. First is impossible for HH cause they were dead in that sense already, later is even more impossible than first cause only Grave keeper can do that. Thus HH is guilty by "mere" Grievous bodily harm and real "murder" in this case is Ai who also "murdered" own mother before. |
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2013-07-20, 17:40 | Link #259 |
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I think the biggest problem some people have with HH's killing of the villagers (myself included) is that he is the aggressor on an otherwise non-aggressive group of people (unless they had initiated the attack on HH, which is doubtful in this case). Of course there will probably be more information revealed eventually, mainly in regards to the "secret" that the villagers were hiding from Ai.
Its also interesting to note how the last zombie villager who got terminated (had half his face blown off) actually chose to cover/protect Ai instead of running away/attacking her/charging blindly to HH considering how they (undead/zombies) would supposedly get more aggressive when it comes to their survival, which is clearly not depicted that way in this case. Considering how no new humans can be born anymore (and hence humanity would get wiped out within 30-50 years) kinda makes the whole point of not wanting the living to get too attached to their undead family members seem a little moot IMO. |
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