Future Episode Synopses/Series Predictions/General Speculation

[X207]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Spoiler:

Nagato shot Nagato. Kyon talked to Kyon. Asahina Big put Asahina Little to sleep.

Spoiler:

and when was that this happened- b4 or after ryoko appeared

[HolyCow]

X207:

Spoiler for Volume 7:

The prologue to Volume 7 explains how Kyon went back to fix the alternate world. Once you read it I'm sure everything will be clear ;P

[HurricaneHige]

Originally Posted by panzerfan

They wouldn't include that many volumes in my opinoin. There's still the making of Adventures to explain. (I imagine that's a good way for S2 to open itself, with none other than Sighs).

Disappearance would be front and center, and in itself, there's so much to cover in that one book alone (maybe 6 episodes)...
The story regarding Adventures is easily going to take up 3 episodes, if not more.
Mysterious Sign and Bamboo Leaf should be dealt with as well (2 episodes), and that would leave time for Endless Eight (1-2).
Covering Where'd the Cat Go? (1) and Charmed at First Sight LOVER (1) should conclude the season, at count of 14 episodes.

I am suggesting this due to the significance of Snow Mountain as a precursor to Intrigues, as well as how dramatic the story is. That way, LOVERS and Where'd the Cat GO would hint to a potential season 3, and season 3 can structure itself on explaining the gap, and pick itself from there.

The reason is that i felt the first season was too short and it appears they only wanted to do the first volume and to fill in they pulled random short stories from other volumes to scrap up first season, therefore if they actually follow the volumes closely they should be able to extend the series to at least 26 ep, that should work in their favour from the business standpoint and it should please the fans

[HolyCow]

Two 13-episode seasons usually generate more profit than a 26-episode season, both in terms of DVD sales and merchandise. That's why I think that the second season of Haruhi will be 13/14 episodes and not 26.

If they make Season 2 based on DISAPPEARANCE, it would make a very Yuki-centric season. Chapters they may include in the second season are, IMO:

- SIGHS (4 EPs)
- Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (1 EP)
- DISAPPEARANCE (6 EPs)
- Charmed (1 EP)
- Endless Eight (1 EP)

Either that, or they're going to jump even further into the story by animating Snow Mountain Syndrome (2 EPs) for the sake of a 2-parter ala Lone Island Syndrome, and Wandering Shadow (May take up to 2 EPs, can be squeezed into 1 EP if they cut out the flashbacks) to match with Mysterious Sign.

But I think that animating Wandering Shadow is jumping a bit too far, since it concerns things about volume 7.

[Mirrinus]

Nah...I think if they're doing Snow Mountain instead of Sighs, then they'll be throwing in Where did the Cat Go? as well, since both stories take place on the same trip. And for the last episode...I'm hoping for Suzumiya Haruhi Theater as episode 1, for the same crazyness factor as the first season. ^_^

[Furudanuki]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHige

for everyone's sanity sake i hope they make season 2 :3

but if they do make it...wouldnt it be good if they include at least 5 volumes (3-8) and possibly extend season 2 to about 26 ep (full season)?

i mean by the time they start production vol.9 will be out, so they wont overtake the novel.

KyoAni is doing Lucky☆Star after they finish Kanon. And there has been an official announcement that they will be animating CLANNAD. Since KyoAni only works on one series at a time (so far, anyway), that means that any Haruhi season 2 will probably be at least 3+ seasons down the road. So we might have volume 10 of the novel out before another animated series gets underway.

[myopius]

For the first episode of the second season, they need to start off with the volume 2 prologue. http://baka-tsuki.net/project/index....lume2_Prologue .

Spoiler for Volume 2 Prologue:

They'd have the intro scene be the conversation between Kyon and Haruhi, and cut to the OP at either "DON'T MESS WITH ME!" or "However, if Haruhi had any sense of what was happening around her, I don't know what the world would be like."

I've been thinking a lot about what kind of arrangement they'll do for a second season...

Spoiler for Lengthy discussion about novel content:

The way the series works, it seems like they could do well if they made each ~13 episodes be miscellaneous stories coupled with a major arc like volumes 4, 7, and 9 (and maybe 10, when it comes out. Volume 2 is an exception since it's largely... well, not really as eventful or complex as the other arcs. Excerpts from it could exist here and there, actually, but it wouldn't work well as a central story, probably.). This is something most people who speculate on the series have noticed.

Of the stories they can pick for further seasons, in major tiers of character/plot development, there are

A) the pre-volume 4 stories which could just have easily have been in the first season (if they'd had room, naturally) and the volume 4 arc,
B (req. volume 4)) the post-volume-4-pre-volume-7 stories (ones which reference the events and incorporated the character development from volume 4), the volume 7 arc, and
C (req. volume 7)) the volume 8 stories (which reference the events and character development from volume 7).

Now, Kyoto Animation may not want to do it in this order. They've shown they can mix it up in ways that the Tanigawa didn't. What I mean by that is: while the stories jumped around the timeline a bit at different points, the major arcs of volumes 1, 4, and 7 were, at the time they were published, the latest-dated stories from the timeline, and no more stories from before the events of each of these major arcs were published after the volume for each major arc. In other words, the character development isn't something Tanigawa ever messes around with like that. KyoAni probably broke up volume 1 throughout the first season because they wanted to be able to have a decent final episode while still having enough material for a full seasons, so they had to do it like that.

However, although it's heavier than the character development from volume 1, I think that the character development from volumes 4 and 7 doesn't require volumes 4 and 7 ahead of time. The first season had standalone stories referencing volume 1's events as "earth-shaking events" or something like that, and Kyon's refusal to discussion with Koizumi how he saved the day. Rather than upsetting anything, it just left a sense of mystery, really. For volume 4,

Spoiler for Volume 4:

there's the couple times he talks about how realizes now that he cherishes his membership in the SOS Brigade, and how he's sensitive to Yuki. IMO the former references would best be first introduced in the actual events of volume 4 for the best dramatic effect, but if KyoAni had to they could just skip Kyon's inner monologue when he mentions those things.

And for volume 7,

Spoiler for Volume 7:

there's mainly just Kyon remembering the Sneering Bastard angrily, and also constantly speculating about various rival organizations/entities with previous events in mind and with a sense of foreboding. In this case, they could either leave it or skip past Kyon's inner monologue.

But anyway, that's not what I'm really concerned about. Rather, it's this conflict:

1) The progression of the major plot arcs of the series, in volumes 4 and 7, are best understand when you have the context of the previous plot arcs. In other words, while standalone stories can largely be enjoyed without knowledge of the major events that have transpired, major arcs which usually have a heavy impact on character development should be precedented by previously transpired major arcs. For instance,

Spoiler for Volume 1, 4, 7:

Kyon jumping from following Asahina-san (Big)'s and Yuki's clues in volume 1 to kiss Haruhi, to encountering the irregular and also very serious events of volume 7 (which deeply referenced the idea of the unity of the SOS Brigade in spite of conspiratorial ties, that is first brought up when Kyon talks to Yuki at the end of volume 4 about what he'd do to the Integrated Data Sentient Entity)... is much more impressive when you can see it develop like that.

Basically what I mean is: they shouldn't air a major plot arc until they've aired all the previous plot arcs--that is, do them in order.
2) If they do a 13-episode season, or even a 26-episode season, they would probably only leave room the major plot arcs for volumes 4 and 7 unless they adjust the proportion of standalone stories they had in season one (which would mean that they'd be losing a lot of material, really, since after a certain time it probably seems out of place when you already know what will happen 6 months later). I think that if they included all the (IMO) necessary standalone chapters like Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Snow Mountain Syndrome and did the major arcs of volumes 4 7 and 9 they could maybe fit it into 26 episodes... but that'd be an uncomfortable squeeze. However, something like that wold be the only option if they want to have a Haruhi-centric theme to the whole thing (although for all I know volume 9 might be only as Haruhi-centric as volume 7, and focus on Koizumi more...).

In other words, there's a conflict between airing a season that has "Haruhi" as a central theme to it more so than other members of the SOS Brigade, and airing things in order and over a reasonable amount of episodes. So, I think KyoAni will compromise and end up airing volume 7 but not concluding it on the last chapter of the volume like they did the first season, over 13 episodes...

Although, if they only ever made 2 series of Suzumiya Haruhi, it'd be a shame to just have those first two arcs. So maybe they'd consider two seasons' worth of episodes to add in volume 7, and plan ahead for a third that would do a book 9/10 type thing. But yeah whether the series is wrapping up and whether or not KyoAni would feel inclined to animate the entire thing (I suppose I have to doubt it, unfortunately--they didn't feel it necessary to do significant amounts of FMP, after all ) are just something I can't speculate on.

(What I can speculate on is more than is probably healthy for a human being, as you can probably tell from reading this post....)

^ The above spoiler tag doesn't actually spoil anything if you click it, there's individual spoile tags within the spoiler-tagged section itself to do that job--I just figured I would make it small like that to spare people who don't read the novels from what to them, and to most others perhaps, could just be a giant useless wall of text.

Originally Posted by Furudanuki

KyoAni is doing Lucky☆Star after they finish Kanon. And there has been an official announcement that they will be animating CLANNAD. Since KyoAni only works on one series at a time (so far, anyway), that means that any Haruhi season 2 will probably be at least 3+ seasons down the road. So we might have volume 10 of the novel out before another animated series gets underway.

How are you imagining the timeline? I know that Lucky Star is in April, but that's two seasons away from the second season as it was rumored to be in fall (if they only made CLANNAD 13 episodes, though I suppose they probably shouldn't do that from what I've heard of CLANNAD), and anyway, did we know that it will be airing this year? Edit: Just found out ANN says October, though apparently it seems doubtful--hmm, even if that's the case the summer season could still be open though couldn't it (hypothetically)? Although in that case the source of the news about season two would be incorrect about the release... of course, they could have changed it since then, but yeah. It's difficult to figure this stuff out.

Btw, Volume 10 should be coming out pretty soon I think--they said it'd be shortly after volume 9. So I imagine definitely by the end of the year.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by myopius

Btw, Volume 10 should be coming out pretty soon I think--they said it'd be shortly after volume 9. So I imagine definitely by the end of the year.

I believe I heard summer quoted, but that's probably a little soon, as it gives at most 5 months between volumes. Definitely some time this year, though.

You made good points on your "wall of text," as you put it, but I think they'd probably do better to leave volumes 9 and 10 out of the mix until they've at least gotten everything earlier out of the way first. Being that a new school year is starting with volume 9, there's bound to be a bit of a "soft reset" of sorts, as there are sure to be new characters introduced (either as freshmen or additional "mysterious transfer students"), but at the same time, with the evidence we have of Tanigawa's attention to detail, there are bound to be things in 9 and 10 that are based on events in the previous volumes, even in the "one-shot" stories. And you just know that the events in 7 are going to be as important to 9 and 10 as the events in 4 were to 7.

Luckily, all of the pre-9 events remaining (minus the Haruhi Theater events, which, going by the first one, may not even be "real") fit nicely into a 26-ish episode full season, and even better into 2 13-ish episode half seasons, focused around 4 and 7 respectively (with the prerequisite and peripheral short stories attached to their respective seasons). And short seasons would ensure we'd get the best animation quality possible without having to result to a heavy amount of low motion shots (long range shots, panning shots), like they had to do with Kanon.

If they do end up doing a single long season, they'd need to split up the volume 4 and volume 7 arcs to avoid confusion and (massive) spoilers, since the plot of 7 relies so much on 4, but they could tie it together with 3 or 4 episodes covering volume 2 spread out over the course of the season, possibly using those to tie into

Spoiler for volume 9, rumored:

the filming of the sequel to Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00 that is supposed to take place in 9.

[HolyCow]

You know, a thought suddenly hit me. What if KyoAni decided to mix up the timeline even more and animate Volume 7 BEFORE volume 4?

2 EPs - Snow Mountain Syndrome
1 EP - Where did the Cat go?
1 EP - Melancholy of Mikuru
6 EPs - INTRIGUES
4 EPs - SIGHS

They could throw in Theater for the same craziness as Episode 1, maybe Wandering Shadow for another 'client' episode (which they otherwise wouldn't be able to do since it's pretty connected to INTRIGUES). We would get something like the first season, only this time the stories are much more tied to each other.

They would have to obviously remove the prologue for INTRIGUES, and cut out the time traveling Speeches made by Koizumi in the Prologue, but other than that, I don't remember Volume 4 being particularly spoilerish for Volume 7, seeing that Yuki explaining about the Macrospatial-entity makes sense if they animate Snow Mountain Syndrome.

But oh well, it's not likely to happen anyway ;P

[MYSOFA]

Hello,
It has bothered me as to what "Kyon" means as a name. I followed it to the beginnings of Chinese martial arts...but there was something better I thought. Kyon is Greek for dog. He seems to be treated as such by Haruhi. Now if one were to reverse the English spelling?

Maybe?
Mysofa

[Raykun]

well i hope volume 9 gets animiated in the second season

[serialies]

i was just reading about the "cameraman + super narrator" and the "super director" to be a metaphor for their roles theory...and i got an alternateish one

Spoiler for wouldnt it be more like?...:

as the director haruhi can make the "characters" do whatever she wants, except for kyon as hes the "camera man/ narrator", i mean hes forced to "watch" (a metaphor for experience) whatever haruhi wants to play out, but as the "camera man/narrator" he's in a position to guide the "director" somewhat, eg when he tells haruhi to put in the "this is all fiction disclaimer" basically meaning (if you think about it this way) --> 1. kyon must exist somewhat outside the worlds haruhi creates or iono...has a immunity of sorts to some of her powers 2. kyon in a sense is they "key" but not in the sense that he is the source of haruhi's powers, but rather he is the key to key to keeping haruhi's power in check ("under a lock") or "unlocking" her powers (cuz you know...she doesnt know shes a god..all it would take is for kyon to be all like"hey im john smith")

[Louie Louie]

Originally Posted by panzerfan

fufufu...

Spoiler:

wait till we hear of Itsuki's conversation w. Kyon on 'divinity'...

nihaha. :P I am not saying anything more than that.

hmmm... i think i missed this one... ive read all the volumes up to 9... and because Koizumi has so many theories and whatnot i can only remember a few of them... can you give me a hint on what volume this is??? just send me a private message please....

[panzerfan]

Originally Posted by MYSOFA

Hello,
It has bothered me as to what "Kyon" means as a name. I followed it to the beginnings of Chinese martial arts...but there was something better I thought. Kyon is Greek for dog. He seems to be treated as such by Haruhi. Now if one were to reverse the English spelling?

Maybe?
Mysofa

Reeve's muntjac?

@Louie Louie

This goes back to way earlier in this discussion thread, when Koizumi had presented his point of view on Suzumiya Haruhi.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Does anyone have any guesses as to how long of a period of time this series will cover? Like only through school, or do you think it'll continue beyond? I think it would be hilarious to see haruhi, out in the world, Most likely as a Private Investigator or something of nature, or starting/joining Japan's version of the FBI's X-Files department, and of course dragging gang along for the ride.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze

Does anyone have any guesses as to how long of a period of time this series will cover? Like only through school, or do you think it'll continue beyond? I think it would be hilarious to see haruhi, out in the world, Most likely as a Private Investigator or something of nature, or starting/joining Japan's version of the FBI's X-Files department, and of course dragging gang along for the ride.

Whoa, necromancy. Didn't know you could do that.

*cough*

It'll probably only run till the end of their third year of high school, maybe the second. That's how these stories work, if they aren't just one year.

[quigonkenny]

Aw, man, what is that stank? Break out the Febreze, guys. This topic's been dead for a good long while... ^_^

I'm roughly with Kaisos on how much of Kyon's school time the novels will cover, although he's probably a little more optimistic on its length than I am. <inb4 subref="Kaisos rant"> And no I don't think it will be ending at Volume 10.</inb4> Thing is, I'm pretty confident that it won't be making it quite to graduation. It'll end shortly after Haruhi "finds out"—or at least shortly after Kyon finds out that Haruhi has found out—and having that happen near or at graduation is just far too convenient for such a genre-savvy series. I do think we'll be seeing it make it to the third year, though, if only to deal with Mikuru leaving. Tsuruya-san won't really be going anywhere, since she'll be an out-of-school fixture for Kyon after coming events surrounding the Future Artifact from the Past, and she'll especially become more pivotal to the group once she takes over the Organization.

(What? You don't think so? Why do you think the officially unofficial anime and manga adaptation has her facing off against Mori-san?)

It'll never happen (unless written by Puyo), but for some reason I love the idea of Mikuru(big) coming back after her(small) and Tsuruya's graduation as a student teacher (SOS-dan faculty sponsor?) and no one but Kyon, Itsuki, and Yuki (and Slider-tan, can't forget Slider-tan) noticing she's aged several years over the break... ^_^

Haruhi: "Waa... Sugoi, Mikuru-chan, you've grown up a bit! As expected of Mikuru-chan, your body has finally had a growth spurt to catch up to your breasts!" **evil grin** "I'll have to go get you some new clothes, but I think I have some you can still fit into..."
Mikuru(big): "Eeeehh?! What do you have there? I'm a teacher now! Nooo... Let me take that off myself! Don't touch me there! Eeeee!"

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

(What? You don't think so? Why do you think the officially unofficial anime and manga adaptation has her facing off against Mori-san?)

That also had Asakura come back in chibi form and Nagato as an eroge player.

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

It'll never happen (unless written by Puyo), but for some reason I love the idea of Mikuru(big) coming back after her(small) and Tsuruya's graduation as a student teacher (SOS-dan faculty sponsor?) and no one but Kyon, Itsuki, and Yuki (and Slider-tan, can't forget Slider-tan) noticing she's aged several years over the break... ^_^

That... oddly would make sense, though I'd assume she'd be using a different given name and claim she's Mikuru's older sister or something.

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Haruhi: "Waa... Sugoi, Mikuru-chan, you've grown up a bit! As expected of Mikuru-chan, your body has finally had a growth spurt to catch up to your breasts!" **evil grin** "I'll have to go get you some new clothes, but I think I have some you can still fit into..."
Mikuru(big): "Eeeehh?! What do you have there? I'm a teacher now! Nooo... Let me take that off myself! Don't touch me there! Eeeee!"

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

It'll never happen (unless written by Puyo), but for some reason I love the idea of Mikuru(big) coming back after her(small) and Tsuruya's graduation as a student teacher (SOS-dan faculty sponsor?) and no one but Kyon, Itsuki, and Yuki (and Slider-tan, can't forget Slider-tan) noticing she's aged several years over the break... ^_^

Would that mean that there would be a Mikuru from even further in the future replacing Mikuru(big)'s old role?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Would that mean that there would be a Mikuru from even further in the future replacing Mikuru(big)'s old role?

No, because now Mikuru has gone back to the future, so there's only one Mikuru. Kinda.