2010-03-23, 18:39 | Link #6783 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buffer overflow
|
Just to be safe, let's say I've found a possible solution for all the mysteries. Like Featherinne said, it's impossible to prove that "the answer" is the right one when you find it. In a way, that's a hint about the answer itself. However, the theory I've created gives an explanation for every closed room, every meta-scene, the backstory, the rules of the game, and most if not all of the cryptic comments made in several parts throughout the game. Oh, and all the cryptic comments Ryuukishi has made about the games. This includes both the question arcs and the core arcs so far. And of course, I have arguments backed up with evidence for all of these things.
However, I know for a fact that there are least two ways to explain all of these things. One of them is more obvious but a lot less neat than the other. Knowing Ryuukishi, there's a chance that my entire theory now is just one step on the path to the final answer. Still, I have proof that this is a step he intended us to reach at some point. As for the gold, I'm pretty much 100% certain I know what that is.
__________________
Last edited by chronotrig; 2010-03-23 at 18:53. |
2010-03-23, 18:59 | Link #6784 |
Radiant as the sun;
Graphic Designer
|
Will you post and share your theory, or keep it hidden? I'm curious, myself, and this is a thread to make theories so xD but I understand if you don't want to influence other people and such or of the sort.
But yeah, Ryukishi can come up with a troll any moment, haha.
__________________
|
2010-03-23, 20:36 | Link #6785 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 20:38 | Link #6786 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buffer overflow
|
Quote:
I've chosen to stop posting my theories, and even deleted my last few posts since they went a bit too far. The final answer won't be out for most of a year, and this seems like the best way to keep spoilers off the web and let people solve it for themselves. It wouldn't do anyone any good if I posted my theory.
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 20:47 | Link #6787 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Not that I'm saying that you're actually doing this, but that's what it looks like from my point of view. If you're that certain of what the gold text is, you could, at least, post it for those interested under several layers of spoilers, thus both giving us ignorant masses something to work with and also proving that you've reached the truth, since you're so positive about that and all. Thanks for your time. Again, I mean no insult here. I just want some clarification. |
|
2010-03-23, 20:55 | Link #6788 |
Mystery buff
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Gone Fishin!
|
I still don't get how Battler can find the truth in your theories really. He never saw anything in 1998 so he doesn't have as much as you do to go on. That and well your random announcements about how you think you've solved just about everything and have it all backed up does make you sound a lot like your being pretentious. No offense that's just the vibe I get.
see don't you think it seems that way? Especially since your head translator? You come off as if your looking down at us.
__________________
|
2010-03-23, 21:01 | Link #6789 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
Regarding gold truth, my theory is that it is the truth from the author's perspective. If you know who the author of the story is in my theory then you've reached the answer already. I think it's weaker than the red truth in the case of the candy under the cup. Regardless of whether or not candy was actually under the cup, the truth the author wanted to convey was that candy was made by magic under the cup. For Kinzo's corpse it was stronger than red truth. Throughout the games it's been clear that the author's message was that the corpse in the boiler room was Kinzo's. However, there was no way to prove that the end of episode 5 given only the clues for episode 5. Understanding the clues given by the author of the story throughout the games allowed the gold truth to be used. Edit: By the way, for those who are bashing Chronotrig's theory please post your first. Thank you
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 21:05 | Link #6790 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buffer overflow
|
Quote:
However, if you won't take the word of the guy who made the game, maybe some people will take my word for it. There's no reason to give up on this series. There is a fair answer. Oh, and you might want to go back and check your facts about that particular bit.
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 21:06 | Link #6791 | ||||
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Of course, this makes no sense with what we now know about that world and Featherine... Yes, it sounds extremely elitist. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
All the servants (including Gohda, who's being pressured into accomplicehood) are the culprits at various times. Nanjo is the main killer for Ep3. Ep4 is the result of failed Halloween pranks and a shootout between the family members and the servants. Shannon and Kanon are different people, and their real names are "Kinzo Ushiromiya" and "Erika Ushiromiya". Either Kyrie, George, or perhaps Asumu (who is on Nijima) is the mastermind. That's just a bit of the stuff I've put together. No, I don't have a motive, but to be frank, to only solve the MYSTERY we're presented with, I don't need one. Last edited by Tyabann; 2010-03-23 at 21:18. |
||||
2010-03-23, 21:16 | Link #6792 | ||
Mystery buff
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Gone Fishin!
|
Quote:
Quote:
I'm not bashing his theory I'm pointing out his attitude about it. I don't agree with him sure, and I don't agree with you all the time either. His theory about magic and furniture can apply to just about any character though in my opinion if you interpret it in your own way. Just like the red. I'll be posting my own theories too as time goes on. I got at least a year and half to figure it all out...
__________________
|
||
2010-03-23, 21:20 | Link #6793 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
The biggest problem I've found trying to write out the complete episode theories has been trying to keep the character behavior consistant throughout every episode. Episode 5 has not been fun so far.
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 21:23 | Link #6794 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buffer overflow
|
Quote:
You call it arrogant, but my only options are tell you or not tell you. If I tell you, then many people who don't want to be spoiled will get spoiled. I know the internet. That's how things work. That's why so many push us to translate quickly, is it not? @Kaisos Erranon: That method is going to make things hard. To truly solve the game, you need to figure out why all of this happens. That's the only way that you can find the true answer to the closed rooms instead of just an answer. @Ssol: Maybe you'll have better luck, but I found it easier to stick to the question arcs until I'd built up a strong base theory. There is one nasty trick in EP5 that'll screw a lot of people up (not sure if this is the one Ryuukishi meant, since this one sort of happens in EP6 as well).
__________________
|
|
2010-03-23, 21:31 | Link #6795 |
Mystery buff
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Gone Fishin!
|
Really? I thought he was just sympathizing with his half sister who wanted her Onii chan to come home. Your telling me that memories have been transferred pre-episode 5? Do your actually beleive this? I'll reread the scene since I guess there is some kind of weird implication in there, but I don't see where your getting this from at all. It sounds kind of contrived.
__________________
|
2010-03-23, 21:35 | Link #6796 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buffer overflow
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
|||
2010-03-23, 21:35 | Link #6797 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Wheh. How would figuring out the 'why' of things instantly help me to figure out the 'how' of things? I highly doubt the truth of the games is intimately connected to how the closed rooms are formed. They're just closed room tricks, the sort Battler said you could find if you bought a bunch of mystery books with that theme and flipped through them all. |
|
2010-03-23, 21:47 | Link #6800 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Umineko is a mystery. What's wrong with trying to solve it like a mystery? Isn't that the point of the Knox rules to begin with? |
|
|
|