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2014-03-27, 15:29 | Link #84 |
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I agree with a lot of what the reviewer is saying, but honestly, all that hard work > genetics & destiny rhetoric bullshit has been meaningless since Naruto’s heritage was revealed to be “special”. If you are the son of one of the greatest Kages of the villages history, and also part of some old & famous clan with special abilities like “strong life force”, chances are you are going to be a pretty prominent ninja –regardless of whether or not you inherit Ashura’s chakra. So really, the meaning of the manga has been ruined for quite a while now, so this development didn't really change that much.
I don’t know how most people feel about this these days, but I think some people don’t have a problem with this because Naruto has been an “underdog” for the majority of part I, and it can be pretty satisfying to see an underdog reach dizzying heights of prominence… It serves as proof for what we love to believe: hard work will pay off, and as long as you put in the effort, you can even defeat those who are more talented than you. |
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He's given the most powerful bijuu on earth, has exceptional genetics, and also inherits chakra from the Sage's son... It kind of seems stupid now remembering him whine about having to work through his "situation", considering how much of an extrodinary situation he actually has. Even the things he supposedly worked "hard" for, how hard did he really work, when you consider he's always done things in record time, like learn sage-mode in two weeks? And, like the reviewer says, this is all apparently prophecy and predetermined for the most part so it kind of ruins the build up... Last edited by Owlman; 2014-03-27 at 16:01. |
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2014-03-27, 16:07 | Link #86 |
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The sage already said that Naruto didn't inherit any talent and whatnot that he had to work hard to get to where he's at, the fact that he's the reincarnate of his son doesn't change that. He was still talentless and needed the drive and spirit to work harder than anyone to accomplish their goals.
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2014-03-27, 17:35 | Link #87 | |
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And we honestly don't know yet how literal we should take "reincarnated".
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2014-03-27, 17:36 | Link #88 |
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-I like how the guy in the video completely neglects one thing. Alright so it turns out Naruto is actually uber-special and part of some prophecy. And? Does that make all his accomplishments up to this point null and void? A child does not get to choose his birth, his parents or his heritage. What he can however choose, is how to build his own path, which is what Naruto's been doing since Ch.1. Last I checked, being Minato and Kushina's son never gave him any privileges. Being some destiny child didn't grant him an automatic win against Nagato.
-Honestly, people were spouting the same accusation when Minato was revealed to be his father. Granted that one was a little too obvious, but still people complained the same way: that being the 4th Hokage's son undermines his worth as the hard-working character.
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2014-03-27, 19:03 | Link #89 |
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well let's not forget in part 1 it was established that the kyuubi chakra was a major hindrance for naruto to work through until jiraiya re-sealed it. it explains his genetics not helping him much until after he met jiraiya. i actually like this added reincarnation angle too. it's another way for naruto to be gifted and require the hardwork of an underdog to be powerful
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2014-03-27, 20:08 | Link #90 | |
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Ashura was the son of the sage and he still was a flunky. Soooooooooo what are talkin bout again? Oh yeah. This chapter has not undermined hardwork. I hope sasuke gets his version of the talk. Ps. This is likely the coincidental time in history where the tree sprouts another one of those fruits. Which makes madara raditz and stronger saiyans are on the way. (Just let me dream
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2014-03-27, 20:44 | Link #91 | |
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2014-03-27, 23:59 | Link #92 |
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Some interesting stuff, but I didn't like how they just pulled this out of nowhere. Seems so sudden and random, not to mention I feel like there's a good amount that's being left out. Like why did Indra not cooperate and go against Ashura? What happened to Hagoromo's brother?
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2014-03-28, 02:32 | Link #95 |
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I think naruto might have this "ghost" in him, but it doesn't seem to be pointing in him in one direction. Naruto is still making his own decisions and his own choices. When he found sasuke again he told himself that he could have easily been on the other side trying to destroy instead of save.
Hard work is still the main point. Because the sage said that his son was useless beyond useless. That he used hard work to become just as great as his older brother. Same thing itachi told naruto, that if he tosses his friends away and takes everything on his shoulders it will be his downfall because he would be throwing away the thing that makes him powerful. Relationships.
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2014-03-28, 03:27 | Link #97 |
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-Except he still had to learn to control it, clones or not. He had them sure, but he was only allowed 3 and was told immediately that if he had any more than that, he'd likely die (being turned into a frog statue). And technically, he was never allowed to complete it what with frog-sensei not allowed to fuse with him due to Kurama not being a lover of frog legs. In addition to Sage training, he also spent time perfecting Rasenshuriken so yeah, all hard work here. I like to equate his Clone Training to someone playing Demons's Souls or Dark Souls, where each and every death brings in new info.
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2014-03-28, 06:08 | Link #98 |
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Of all things in this chapter i'm most curious about Hagoromo's brother.Oddly enough with all the parallels and junk i don't feel this is an asspull.Everyone in this story seems to have an opposite.
Also i get the feeling that maybe Hagoromo is/was actually more the Sasuke of the two (you know with the eyes).But with this thing just coming up now and with the brother,and zero information other then he existed,it's impossible to say anything about his personality.Besides it was Hagoromo's son that influenced his feelings not his brother. And those are rabbit ears on his mom huh.I remember there's a Japanese legend about a rabbit and the moon.It's the kindest of the animals or something like that.Yeah i know google it. |
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2014-03-28, 09:13 | Link #100 | ||
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