(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[Chris38]

@Shinso Tsukune

Well, I agree with you that if Akua is going to die, she won't be killed by Tsukune - unless his powers go out of control, but that is pretty unlikely at this point...

... but at the current point, I don't think that we have enough evidence to further speculate on what is going to be Akua's fate....

Well, on the topic of Moka being changing after meeting with Tsukune, I definitively agree with you on that, but the same could be also said about Tsukune ... after all he too went through "changes" after he met Moka, and while you could say that it was his fault for falling in love with a vampire, and wanting to stay with her, despite being an ordinary human...

So, summing it up ... both Tsukune and Moka changed after they met with each other, but considering the fact that they where ... initially different kinds of species, some "sacrifices" had to be made, for the possibility of a working relationship between Tsukune and Moka...

@HayashiTakara

Well, I agree that so far Kahula hasn't had enough screen time for us to be able to be able to truly decipher her character, but considering the fact that in the flashback to Moka's past (chapter 33) Kahula seemed to know who Alucard is, so I think that she knows more about the current situation then she lets on, and considering the fact that she told Kokoa to try and not let Akua and Moka meet each other, I think that Kahula knows how important Moka is - or rather the power that is currently sealed within her...

Although I don't think that anyone, apart from Mikogami realizes how important Tsukune is in this, with Tsukune being the only person who Moka shared her blood with - I mean that the author isn't outright pointing out that Tsukune has a connection with Alucard as well, and is probably a "needed component" for Alucard's revival for the same reason that Moka is...

At least that's what I think...

[Tachibana]

Well, i saw what was translated of the last few pages for the raws of CH39, we probably won't have to worry about Tsukune's powers going out of control again to which i agree with you, after seeing what Touhou is actually going to do to Tsukune for his "training".

And yes i agree we don't know what Akua's fate will be, but it is clear on how the outcome of her's and Tsukune's battle will be...

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Chris38

@Shinso Tsukune

Well, I agree with you that if Akua is going to die, she won't be killed by Tsukune - unless his powers go out of control, but that is pretty unlikely at this point...

... but at the current point, I don't think that we have enough evidence to further speculate on what is going to be Akua's fate....

Well, on the topic of Moka being changing after meeting with Tsukune, I definitively agree with you on that, but the same could be also said about Tsukune ... after all he too went through "changes" after he met Moka, and while you could say that it was his fault for falling in love with a vampire, and wanting to stay with her, despite being an ordinary human...

So, summing it up ... both Tsukune and Moka changed after they met with each other, but considering the fact that they where ... initially different kinds of species, some "sacrifices" had to be made, for the possibility of a working relationship between Tsukune and Moka...

@HayashiTakara

Well, I agree that so far Kahula hasn't had enough screen time for us to be able to be able to truly decipher her character, but considering the fact that in the flashback to Moka's past (chapter 33) Kahula seemed to know who Alucard is, so I think that she knows more about the current situation then she lets on, and considering the fact that she told Kokoa to try and not let Akua and Moka meet each other, I think that Kahula knows how important Moka is - or rather the power that is currently sealed within her...

Although I don't think that anyone, apart from Mikogami realizes how important Tsukune is in this, with Tsukune being the only person who Moka shared her blood with - I mean that the author isn't outright pointing out that Tsukune has a connection with Alucard as well, and is probably a "needed component" for Alucard's revival for the same reason that Moka is...

At least that's what I think...

Well Ikeda did indirectly point out that Tsukune is now of Shinso blood through Moka's flashback.

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Well Ikeda did indirectly point out that Tsukune is now of Shinso blood through Moka's flashback.

Yeah, it should be obvious that Tsukune has the Shinso blood now and the indications are there, he has the exact same power-up, black aura and regenerative abilities that Akasha and Moka does even though Moka has never displayed her regeneration abilities, however Tsukune's ability to regenerate is superior compared to her's.

[tyranuus]

You've got to remember we've not seen many Shinso vampires, so what is common/recurrent (beyond much higher maximum potential) between them, and what is an individual talent has yet to be established.
Despite the similarities (extremely dark youkai aura, much higher maximum potential), like with normal vampires, there is a good chance that each individual's potential and talents vary dependant on lineage, and the individual themselves.

It may be a case that Moka and Tsukune will end up with similar skill sets, but its quite possible they'll each branch off into thier own developments in terms of skills; as an example, Kokoa and Kahlua are both sisters, compared to Moka who is technically a half sister, yet Kahlua already has a completely different skill to Kokoa (partial transformation).

[HayashiTakara]

It's not "skill sets" but method, Moka did to Tsukune what her mother did for her. It's that simple.

[tyranuus]

Who knows if method matters in terms of what skill sets they end up with? The Shinso blood may well produce unique, or at least varied results dependant on the host.

As an example, whilst Tsukune does indeed have boosted regeneration (although we've yet to tell whether its along the same lines as Akasha, or will reach that level), if the method was what determined how a Shinso turns out in terms of skill set, then Moka would share the same power of regeneration, but she doesn't appear to; however Moka may possess, or come into her own unique skills/talents.

That Akasha's regeneration talent is not shared by both her blood descendants (and that the one that does is not the one she passed the lineage onto) is one of the reasons why I believe, apart from some common shared factors, the Shinso bloodline develops the host dependant on the host themselves, rather than on which vampire sired/passed along the bloodline.

[Tachibana]

The reason why Tsukune's regeneration isn't as strong as Akasha's is because his Shinso blood hasn't fully awakened yet, this logic also applies to Moka since Akasha mentioned that even if the Rosary is removed than "part" of her strength (Shinso power) will be released not the full extent of the power.

However, all Shinso possess the same black aura and insane regenerative abilities this is common amounst them, i doubt lineage or what they originally were effects this as proven as Tsukune when he goes in his berserker (Ghoul-like) vamp/Shinso form.

[tyranuus]

The thing is, Tsukune has improved regeneration ALL the time, we've not seen that from Moka. think we've still got a lot to learn about the Shinso blood, where it originates from and quite what it does or can do to a vampire. I think its quite a strong possibility that whilst some traits are shared/common amongst them, and others are personal.
It's a fairly common theme in vampire material that deals with pure bloods/elders and the like; generally all the those of pure blood/elder nature tend to be stronger, faster and nastier than the norm, however they also often develop unique mutations (in fact R+V already mentions uncommon mutations /skils in terms of Kahlua's partial transformation capability). Whilst Ikeda hasn't stuck with every trope when it comes to vampires, he hasn't abandoned all of them either, so I think there's still a fair chance he could chose to adopt this route, especially if he doesn't want Shinso to become a generic power up medium, or has a possible intention of introducing other Shinso vampires in the future.

As it is we haven't got enough evidence to suggest he's going either way with any real form of definition.

[kenjiharima]

Chapter 39.

Ouch....

Spoiler for Kurumu tears:

[Xagzan]

Aww, it's chapter...well whatever number chapter that was where she charmed Tsukune then broke down.

Poor thing, I can't imagine what happy ending she could have.

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for 39:

Unfortunately, this was going to happen in the future, when Tsukune finally decided on who he was going to be with and Moka is his destined one. But it looks like Gin is going to comfort her, poor Kurumu.

Now to the main topic. Since Touhou is going to give Tsukune a new body (restructuring technique), so Tsukune is able to use youkai magic (which is what i read in the summary also known as "youjustu"), this would mean that the Shinso blood in Tsukune's body is the catalyst that will give Tsukune's new body, which would also mean that he will have a Vamp/Shinso body.

This would make sense and it could very well be the end of most of Tsukune's humanity (of course his mind and possibly some of humanity might be left over including his immunities), and it also looks like since the Holy Lock is involved, the seal would no longer be necessary, since in a way Tsukune's body will be reborn and designed to use Youjutsu and youki via the Shinso power (which is needed to fuel and use Youjutsu).

But what i'm really interested in is what Tsukune will look like, a vamp/Shinso of course!!!, this is getting really exciting.

So looking forward to CH40.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for 39:

Unfortunately, this was going to happen in the future, when Tsukune finally decided on who he was going to be with and Moka is his destined one. But it looks like Gin is going to comfort her, poor Kurumu.

Now to the main topic. Since Touhou is going to give Tsukune a new body (restructuring technique), so Tsukune is able to use youkai magic (which is what i read in the summary also known as "youjustu"), this would mean that the Shinso blood in Tsukune's body is the catalyst that will give Tsukune's new body, which would also mean that he will have a Vamp/Shinso body.

This would make sense and it could very well be the end of most of Tsukune's humanity (of course his mind and possibly some of humanity might be left over including his immunities), and it also looks like since the Holy Lock is involved, the seal would no longer be necessary, since in a way Tsukune's body will be reborn and designed to use Youjutsu and youki via the Shinso power (which is needed to fuel and use Youjutsu).

But what i'm really interested in is what Tsukune will look like, a vamp/Shinso of course!!!, this is getting really exciting.

So looking forward to CH40.

Spoiler for 39:

I wouldn't speculate too much about what Tsukune is going to be capable of doing after he undergoes Tohou Fuhai's ritual - simply because we don't know yet, what is going to happen during the time that Tsukune undergoes Tohou Fuhai's ritual...

I mean that, while I agree that Tsukune probably won't be needing his Holy Lock after he undergoes the ritual, I believe that he won't be capable of using the full extent of his Shinso power's - and I suspect that the time where he will be capable of using his vampire abilities without wearing the Holy Lock is going to be limited as well...

After all, based on what I understand from the summary and the things that I mentioned in the earlier pages of this thread, the main purpose of Tohou Fuhai's modification ritual is to allow Tsukune to use youkai magic and in my opinion the increase of Tsukune's control over his vampire abilities is going to be just a side effect of undergoing such a ritual, probably due to Tsukune's unique nature, of being a hybrid between a human and a Shinso vampire.

So, I don't think that we should have such high expectations over Tohou Fuhai's modification technique, especially since ... apart from knowledge on how to use youkai magic and even if Tsukune is going to be capable of using his vampire abilities as a side effect of the ritual, I believe that he is going to have to master how to use them on his own, and I don't think that Tohou Fuhai's modification technique is going to help Tsukune with that - I mean that it's going to give Tsukune the capability to use his vampire abilities without the Holy Lock, but Tsukune is still going to have to learn on his own, how to fully control them...

At least that's what I think about this...

[kanoe81]

Sorry to come randomly out of lurking again but I just got my copy of Jump SQ yesterday...

Looks like one of the reasons the chapter's so short this time is because R+V is going to have a special chapter in Jump SQ 19 (the quarterly mag), coming out 2/19. The chapter will probably be in vol #9 anyway though, so I wouldn't scour all stores for it.

Can't wait till Chapter 40!

[Magin]

Something tells me it might be one of those side stories we got earlier, like with the flute... either way, if people will be willing to upload (and eventually translate...) it, it should be something interesting to see

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for 39:

Considering how dangerous and the risks involving Touhou's technique, we should have high expectations, all Tsukune has to do is survive it and him being the main character he no doubt will, since the only side effect is "death" which gives lots of intensity to what this technique will do.

Tsukune needs both mind and body to control his Shinso power, he already has the the mind which will allow him to overcome this ritual, but he needs to body to learn how to control his Shinso powers, which is where Touhou's technique comes in, where he will forcibly give Tsukune a new body, which will be made from the Shinso blood, that of which is the catalyst.

Tsukune has been holding back for a long time, it's time for him to be the hero now. Tsukune can't have anything holding him back this includes the Holy Lock, but i agree Tsukune's full Shinso power won't be released, however we don't know that.

But if it were to happen it doesn't mean things are going to fast or the manga is coming to an end, it just means that Ikeda feels that it's time for something like this.

However, i also agree that Tsukune will have to control his Shinso power on his own or Touhou will help him after the ritual, besides Touhou will have to help Tsukune get the hang of his "new body" anyway, so the Shinso power would be involved to.

This "new body" will be uncharted territory, so will the amount of Shinso power that will be released for Tsukune at first, but Touhou will help him get the hang of it (the new body), and help Tsukune control this new body and power in order to use Youjutsu.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for 39:

Considering how dangerous and the risks involving Touhou's technique, we should have high expectations, all Tsukune has to do is survive it and him being the main character he no doubt will, since the only side effect is "death" which gives lots of intensity to what this technique will do.

Tsukune needs both mind and body to control his Shinso power, he already has the the mind which will allow him to overcome this ritual, but he needs to body to learn how to control his Shinso powers, which is where Touhou's technique comes in, where he will forcibly give Tsukune a new body, which will be made from the Shinso blood, that of which is the catalyst.

Tsukune has been holding back for a long time, it's time for him to be the hero now. Tsukune can't have anything holding him back this includes the Holy Lock, but i agree Tsukune's full Shinso power won't be released, however we don't know that.

But if it were to happen it doesn't mean things are going to fast or the manga is coming to an end, it just means that Ikeda feels that it's time for something like this.

However, i also agree that Tsukune will have to control his Shinso power on his own or Touhou will help him after the ritual, besides Touhou will have to help Tsukune get the hang of his "new body" anyway, so the Shinso power would be involved to.

This "new body" will be uncharted territory, so will the amount of Shinso power that will be released for Tsukune at first, but Touhou will help him get the hang of it (the new body), and help Tsukune control this new body and power in order to use Youjutsu.

Spoiler for 39:

Basically saying it's up to Ikeda to decide how much of an upgrade Tsukune is going to gain, but considering the fact that Tsukune is going to go against Akua a pretty strong, but still ordinary vampire - unless Ikeda plans to bring out some stronger enemies during Tsukune's and his freinds raid, I think that Tsukune's vampire abilities are going to be brought up to the point where Tsukune's physical capabilities would be evenly matched (maybe with a few differences, but the gap between Akua's and Tsukune wouldn't be that huge as if to give the other side, some kind of major advantage)...

So logically speaking Ikeda can't increase Tsukune's current control over too much, since then the fight between Akua and Tsukune wouldn't be interesting if one side had some huge advantage against the other...

Of course Akua certainly has more combat experience then Tsukune, which is why he might have slight power advantage over Akua to minimize the experience gap between them, but I wouldn't count on the possibility of Tsukune awakening the full extent of his Shinso abilities - although he might gain a slight boost from his Shinso blood to recompense his inexperience...

After all, from a plot perspective Tsukune's power up should allow him to fight against Akua on an equal footing - after all making Tsukune too powerful and then having to quickly power up his opponent to make the fight look interesting for the reader, in my opinion, isn't a display of good writing skills...

So, in my opinion the results of Tohou Fuhai's technique are going to allow Tsukune to fight against Akua on an equal footing, and if Tsukune is still going to need some additional power ups, then they are probably going to happen after Tsukune's fight with Akua is over... and that's the reason why I don't think that Tsukune is going to gain some huge power up from Tohou Fuhai's technique, as I said earlier .... the results of Tohou Fuhai's technique is what is going to make Tsukune be capable of evenly fighting against Akua with a chance of defeating her, as well as, Tsukune being able to survive through the raid on Fairy Tale's headquarters alive and I don't think that we should expect Tsukune's powers to increase above that... and the specifics of that power up should probably be left alone, until Ikeda reveals more specifics on this, which is probably going to happen in the next chapter.

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for 39:

I agree, what i was actually trying to point out is that, Tsukune has been on the sidelines for a long time and Ura-Moka was the one to always save the day, sure Tsukune at times showed his stuff but it wasn't enough, but this time he will be able to.

This is one of the main reasons why Ikeda took Moka out of the picture, which is to do some major character development for Tsukune he basically said "Ok, i got Moka out of the picture for a little while, time to develop Tsukune and make him stronger", but i do agree that he doesn't need to make Tsukune too strong only enough to have power equal or slightly greater than that of Akua's, which will make for a good battle.

Tsukune has plenty of time before he will need to release his full Shinso power.

Ikeda is using the old "wanting is always better then getting" method for Tsukune's development, to which i agree that if Tsukune got everything at once than it wouldn't like you say be good writing skills, but Ikeda is great for writing this series so we won't have to worry about that.

However, Tsukune and everyone else could get a little bit stronger from raiding Fairy Tale HQ as a form of more development for them.

From this moment forward, the major character development for Tsukune, begins...

[tyranuus]

Spoiler:

I remember the really powerful dramatic artwork we got when Tsukune first went ghoul. Considering this ritual may well be the next BIG step in Tsukune's development, I've half got the feeling the end of chapter 40/41 might be a nice Ikeda-style teaser artwork.

He might well spend a chapter or two on explaining and the actual undergoing of the ritual, and then at the end of the one where Tsukune actually undergoes have an 'art splurge' moment.

For example several pictures of the aftermath of the ritual, smoke and crackling energy clearing, followed by a page of different closeups on the other characters watching/facial expressions, followed by a sillouhette emerging from the smoke.
Next page (last one of the chapter), full page artwork showing off the 'new' Tsukune, perhaps complete with silver hair, vampiric eyes, tattoo mark down top half of his right hand side...or whatever dependant on whether he decides to change his physical look (and I think he likely will, at least slightly, even if just makes him look a bit less human, or powered up given this is meant to be a body restructuring/rebuilding).

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for 39:

Yeah, while Tsukune's current body is the medium for the ritual, Tsukune's new body will be created from the Shinso blood which is like i said the catalyst, he would gain a new body with physical vampiric/Shinso lineage, silver hair and red eyes which have always been his trademark appearance as seen with his transformations, sometimes red hair.

I also don't mind if Tsukune gains taboo/tribal markings like he does in his berserker mode, it would make him look more awesomeness, tyranuus how u described the the ritual was what i imagined.

Even though Ikeda's current artwork is great, though i have to agree that more intense artwork would also be great for his transformation.

Weather or not it's silver or red hair, it doesn't matter to me, i wanna see what hes going to look like.