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BlueDo · 2010-01-02, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Unfortunately, one of the characteristic of a Level 5 is the raw firepower they can dish out, it's one of the things that seperates them from other people.

It's one of the things I've been thinking about. Most of the battle espers we've seen involve power output. But not all abilities fall into that area.

Accelerator can create plasma, but that's only an application of his ability. Vector Manipulation has no "power." His strength only correlates with how many calculations he can make.
Teleport... can't be measured.
And there's also that Equal Speed Guy.

Just felt like putting that out there.

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Originally Posted by ykf566

Does the type of ability determines whether level 5 is attainable or not?

Considering how there are only 7 level 5's in Academy City, I doubt even the authorities know.

I remembering reading this:
All the electro masters in Academy City are level 3 or below. Misaka Mikoto is a very special case.
Accelerator and #2 are the only holders of their own abilities.

Also, we can assume that most of the level 5's barely worked their way up the ladder, since that's what most people have the impression of.

So it's probably a combination of your genetics and power.

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-02, 10:16

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Originally Posted by BlueDo

It's one of the things I've been thinking about. Most of the battle espers we've seen involve power output. But not all abilities fall into that area.

Accelerator can create plasma, but that's only an application of his ability. Vector Manipulation has no "power." His strength only correlates with how many calculations he can make.

Not true, Mikoto's power is to produce electricity, but her Esper level was measured by her Railgun, which is an application of her ability as well. So yes, how your power can be use plays a part.

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Originally Posted by BlueDo

Teleport... can't be measured.
And there's also that Equal Speed Guy.

Teleportation is measured differently from 'projecting' abilities simply because of it's nature (This is taken from Vol 8). Teleporters are graded base on the accuracy of their teleported objects, the range that their teleportation can reach, and the weight that they can teleport.

Miraluka · 2010-01-02, 10:19

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Spoiler for 5th rank and above:

Well every level 5 has pretty much fire power with them. That's why they usually have special treatment and also special class for them.

Spoiler for a little big problem:

tsunade666 · 2010-01-02, 15:41

Then the test kuroko doing in the field in railgun anime is the test use for teleporter and the test that mikoto do in the swimming pool where she fires her railgun is the test for her.

To put it simple the level 5 have their own test and curriculum to follow if you ask me.

As for if everyone can attain a certain level then NO. Not everyone has the potential with it. Even if they try it so hard. That's what the tree diagram said. Only few can attain a certain level.

Every keep saying that railgun comes from level 1 and they should follow her but the truth is. Mikoto had been scouted already for radio project when she was a little girl but that one got suspended but its been reused for the level 6 project.

And being scouted by the scientist means she is special.

As for touma..... yap his hopeless from the science side and I think a miracle for magic side can cure him. But the memory is destroyed and it can't be retained even if they repair that section of the brain. It will just accumulate new data. Like a reformatted hard drive.

BlueDo · 2010-01-02, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Not true, Mikoto's power is to produce electricity, but her Esper level was measured by her Railgun, which is an application of her ability as well.

Teleporters are graded base on the accuracy of their teleported objects, the range that their teleportation can reach, and the weight that they can teleport.

Both of these are taken from the beginning of Railgun.
I'm not sure how accurate that is.

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Teleportation is measured differently from 'projecting' abilities simply because of it's nature (This is taken from Vol 8).

Really? So they really get tested on applications of powers?
Many viewers are under the impression that Academy City has a machine that measures the AIM strength of espers, which then is used to determine level.

Miraluka · 2010-01-02, 16:49

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

As for touma..... yap his hopeless from the science side and I think a miracle for magic side can cure him. But the memory is destroyed and it can't be retained even if they repair that section of the brain. It will just accumulate new data. Like a reformatted hard drive.

Only a miracle can change the things..... FIAMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.... Such misfortune, actually he is THE enemy and doesn't look like he is going to help Touma.
BTW Touma doesn't care about his past he only wants to avoid the discovery as much as possible with his new life.

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-02, 16:58

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Originally Posted by BlueDo

Both of these are taken from the beginning of Railgun.
I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Actually, the beginning of Railgun was in fact taken from the beginning of Index Volume 8

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Originally Posted by BlueDo

Really? So they really get tested on applications of powers?
Many viewers are under the impression that Academy City has a machine that measures the AIM strength of espers, which then is used to determine level.

Well you've seen it in the first episode... To be honest, I myself didn't know anything until I've watched it, but I had guessed they have their own means of grading different abilities.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-02, 18:25

Well I think they should differ it by category. I mean using the same methods with different roots of abilities wouldn't even help their ability to improve if its total opposite for its use.

CeDeR · 2010-01-08, 20:11

Should i watch Railgun or at least give it a shot if i absolutely hated To aru majutsu no index?

Miraluka · 2010-01-08, 22:40

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Originally Posted by CeDeR

Should i watch Railgun or at least give it a shot if i absolutely hated To aru majutsu no index?

About Railgun, if you like the slice of life, the yuri tone, original anime episodes(a.k.a. fillers) and some action about Mikoto, Kuroko and co, well yeah, go ahead.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-09, 04:38

why do you ABSOLUTELY HATED index to begin with? If it comes to hated I hated railgun due to its random fillers or none sense fanservice.

Nya~n · 2010-01-09, 09:05

let's not talk about opinion on a Q&A thread, shall we?

Also, might as well ask here. What are the objectives of each of the four factions highlighted in volume 15?

MeisterBabylon · 2010-01-09, 23:38

Mind if I ask what are the 4 factions...?

tsunade666 · 2010-01-09, 23:48

ITEM
SCHOOL
GROUP
MEMBER

I'm not sure about item and school but they just argue with each other like a daily routine that result on group stopping them.

They also have different order givers. As for ITEM the one who give orders to them usually are the scientist doing dirty jobs and I have no idea for SCHOOL but for the GROUP they are the army of crowley or just his personal lackeys. As for member.......no clue what soever about them but it looks like the kids that are espers are guard of the professor.

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-09, 23:49

[Item], [School], [Block], and [Member].

ITEM is led by the Number 4 Level 5 Mugino.
SCHOOL is led by the Number 2 Level 5 Kakine.
BLOCK is... Well, wiki says they're "observating of the interaction with organizations outside Academy City"
MEMBER is led by someone who is called the Professor, And I quote, "Aleister Crowley's loyal dog."

EDIT:

Then there's [Group], who as far as I know, serves Aleister directly.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-09, 23:54

oh I didn't notice the group block

but that makes 5 groups that are involve in vol 15

And if member is the loyal dog of member then the group is the one given order to do his dirty doings.

And I notice something while I'm looking at the group who is the cute girl beside kakine?
The item are a group which I can say a group of idol but I didn't think that school would have a cute girl in it too.

EDIT:

btw I just notice but group isn't just a group of espers its a group of magicians ans esper together..... does awaki and accelerator know that tsuchimikado and quatzel are magicians?

MeisterBabylon · 2010-01-09, 23:56

^^ Your last question seems to be refering to BLOCK rather than GROUP.

As with Funya's question, what do ITEM and SCHOOL do? They don't seem to have a purpose other than as fan-clubs or ESPer command platoons.

And is the difference between MEMBER and GROUP just who is the 2nd in command, but otherwise have the same purpose of being Aleister's lackey?

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-10, 00:03

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

As with Funya's question, what do ITEM and SCHOOL do? They don't seem to have a purpose other than as fan-clubs or ESPer command platoons.

Seriously, I think that's all there is.

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

And the difference between MEMBER and GROUP?

I don't know about MEMBER, but if you look at the people in GROUP, you can tell that they're the ones closest to Aleister.

2 of the 4 members actually met the guy, half of them are Magicians, one of them is the only guide to Aleister, and the other is the Strongest Esper which he needs for some reason or another.

babohtea · 2010-01-10, 00:05

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Originally Posted by CeDeR

Should i watch Railgun or at least give it a shot if i absolutely hated To aru majutsu no index?

I'd give it a try. I liked Railgun a whole lot more than Index, even with its "fillers". I don't see them as fillers anyhow. Except Ep 13.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-10, 00:08

no I was referring to the group which is consist of accelartor and awaki both esper and tsuchimikado which is esper and magician plus quatzal which is a magician.

The block are just bunch of side character to me they aren't important at all.
They are just pure observers which should have dealt with by accelerator but it didn't happen.

To much side character o trash character is confusing.

As for professor asking a fight with the no 2 of academy city is suicidal even if kakine shows his anger being just a spare to the plan of Aleister.

As for member and group their is no higher and lower. They do different jobs,

The member just as the leader the professor are just researchers of Aleister. They also do jobs for Aleister but they aren't meant for fighting which is unlike GROUP. Which are meant to deal with the one opposing Aleister's plan.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	[Item], [School], [Block], and [Member]. ITEM is led by the Number 4 Level 5 Mugino. SCHOOL is led by the Number 2 Level 5 Kakine. BLOCK is... Well, wiki says they're "observating of the interaction with organizations outside Academy City" MEMBER is led by someone who is called the Professor, And I quote, "Aleister Crowley's loyal dog." EDIT: Then there's [Group], who as far as I know, serves Aleister directly. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	^^ Your last question seems to be refering to BLOCK rather than GROUP. As with Funya's question, what do ITEM and SCHOOL do? They don't seem to have a purpose other than as fan-clubs or ESPer command platoons. And is the difference between MEMBER and GROUP just who is the 2nd in command, but otherwise have the same purpose of being Aleister's lackey? __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Then the test kuroko doing in the field in railgun anime is the test use for teleporter and the test that mikoto do in the swimming pool where she fires her railgun is the test for her. To put it simple the level 5 have their own test and curriculum to follow if you ask me. As for if everyone can attain a certain level then NO. Not everyone has the potential with it. Even if they try it so hard. That's what the tree diagram said. Only few can attain a certain level. Every keep saying that railgun comes from level 1 and they should follow her but the truth is. Mikoto had been scouted already for radio project when she was a little girl but that one got suspended but its been reused for the level 6 project. And being scouted by the scientist means she is special. As for touma..... yap his hopeless from the science side and I think a miracle for magic side can cure him. But the memory is destroyed and it can't be retained even if they repair that section of the brain. It will just accumulate new data. Like a reformatted hard drive.

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Well I think they should differ it by category. I mean using the same methods with different roots of abilities wouldn't even help their ability to improve if its total opposite for its use.

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CeDeR Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Usa	Should i watch Railgun or at least give it a shot if i *absolutely hated* To aru majutsu no index?

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	why do you *ABSOLUTELY HATED* index to begin with? If it comes to hated I hated railgun due to its random fillers or none sense fanservice.

2010-01-09, 23:48	Link #254
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	ITEM SCHOOL GROUP MEMBER I'm not sure about item and school but they just argue with each other like a daily routine that result on group stopping them. They also have different order givers. As for ITEM the one who give orders to them usually are the scientist doing dirty jobs and I have no idea for SCHOOL but for the GROUP they are the army of crowley or just his personal lackeys. As for member.......no clue what soever about them but it looks like the kids that are espers are guard of the professor.

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	oh I didn't notice the group block but that makes 5 groups that are involve in vol 15 And if member is the loyal dog of member then the group is the one given order to do his dirty doings. And I notice something while I'm looking at the group who is the cute girl beside kakine? The item are a group which I can say a group of idol but I didn't think that school would have a cute girl in it too. EDIT: btw I just notice but group isn't just a group of espers its a group of magicians ans esper together..... does awaki and accelerator know that tsuchimikado and quatzel are magicians?

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	no I was referring to the group which is consist of accelartor and awaki both esper and tsuchimikado which is esper and magician plus quatzal which is a magician. The block are just bunch of side character to me they aren't important at all. They are just pure observers which should have dealt with by accelerator but it didn't happen. To much side character o trash character is confusing. As for professor asking a fight with the no 2 of academy city is suicidal even if kakine shows his anger being just a spare to the plan of Aleister. As for member and group their is no higher and lower. They do different jobs, The member just as the leader the professor are just researchers of Aleister. They also do jobs for Aleister but they aren't meant for fighting which is unlike GROUP. Which are meant to deal with the one opposing Aleister's plan.