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There's something that's been bothering at the end of VC1. At the end, Irene Ellet's book stated that a truce has been declared between Gallia and the EEIA ending the 7 month conflict. However, it never states whether or not EWII has ended between the Feddies and and the Zekes... I mean Imps. I guess is that EWII might still be going on, but the Imperials never set foot on Gallia again (probably after learning Maximilian was invading Gallia just to use the nation and its resources as a front to backstab the Empire).
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2010-01-22, 13:46 | Link #863 | |
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Then again, as Imperial Russia (and the Soviet Union) demonstrated, nothing lasts forever. We could see VC3 or 4 pitting Gallia against a pact of Communist States (or, an expansionist Imperial break-away nation).
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2010-01-22, 13:56 | Link #864 | |
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I actually like that idea for a sequel, though. One possible idea could be that once EWII as a whole ends the future Gallian Prime Minister decides that their isolationist stance isn't working out for them (war has come twice in the past 30 years and devastated the country each time) and takes a more active role in world politics. Cue "Valkyria Chronicles: Insert Obvious Analog to Korea and/or Vietnam Here". |
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2010-01-22, 14:40 | Link #865 |
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As Cmdr. Hill put it, " War's not about who's right, it's about who's still standin'."
Also, those smaller Fed nations - particularly those near the EESP - could also get swept up in a quasi-communist revolution, could they not? Various -SRs suddenly popping up from ex-Fed states could be cause for concern, along with Gallia's own GCP, and a fear of the EEPLA. Lotsa acronyms, eh?
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2010-01-22, 16:02 | Link #866 | |
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Heh, yeah. Lots of acronyms. I'm not familiar with GCP or EEPLA though... I assume EEPLA would be "East Europan People's Liberation Army"? In context with that in the sentence, GCP would be Gallia's equivalent to FARC-EP or the IRA? *Edit: Doh'. Just realized that's probably "Gallian Communist Party. Yeah? Either or?* There could be many interesting political turns for the Alliance and the Federation. Obviously since the Alliance controls the territory that would be our Russia the imagery of a communist type revolution comes naturally. There isn't really any indication that there were any Marxist philosophies in Europa, but it wouldn't be a huge stretch. In fact that could be one possible end to EWII - the lower class (again, the condition of the proletariat within the Alliance isn't really stated, as it has nothing to do with the story of the game. Imagination only) overthrows the existing regime in something similar to the Russian Revolution in 1917, which ended WWI (for the Russian SFSR, at least). Then of course you get that whole fear of Communism BS. As Gallia is arguably within the Alliance's sphere of influence... The Federation probably wouldn't have as direct an impact on Gallia. I would imagine that the weaker states within the union would want to stay, as while they probably wouldn't hold much influence within the Federation politically they would still benefit from its military and economic power. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the only reason the border states within the Federation are still sovereign is that they have the military power of the Federation behind them to fend off the Alliance. Otherwise they'd have been steamrolled. Another interesting idea that could potentially applied to both (especially the Alliance, as they're explicitly stated to be an empire) would be colonialism. Again, probably wouldn't affect Gallia itself a whole lot (at least in the beginning), but if either of the two major powers held colonies in, say, their equivalence of Africa or Asia there could be revolts there similar to the Boer wars and such. Then of course the remaining territories get chopped up and new lines are drawn after EWIII, leading to all sorts of ethnic, religious, and cultural strife within the regions. Hey, wait a second.... |
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2010-01-22, 16:09 | Link #867 |
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Well there are a lot of difference between WWII and EWII. One the causes of WWII was the Treaty of Versailles which blamed Germany for WWI, humiliated and bankrupt the entire country. And everyone pretty much knows the story how Hitler rose to power, convinced everyone in Germany that they the Aryans where the master race, used the Jews as a scapegoat, it was their destiny to rule all of Europe (and possibly the world), etc. etc. Also a lot of Historians consider WWII to be a "Better Sequel."
Unlike WWI, which was a power struggle set on by imperialism, nationalism, secret treaties, etc. A lot of people see WWII as a spectacular clash of good versus evil with the Axis being a evil alliance trying to take over the world and instigating several crimes against humanity. Just look at every video game made that takes place during WWII and usually the Allies are the protagonists (some would also argue that history is also written by the victors). As for EWII, it just doesn't sound very exciting compared to WWII. According to the game encyclopedia, its pretty much just a continuation of EWI where the Federation and Empire had 20 year "Time Out" and then just continued slugging it out. EWI was a lot like WWI from the assassination of a key political figure to Trench Warfare and the introduction of tanks. Also for Alternative WWIIs like C&C: Red Alert for example, I'm pretty sure RedShockTrooper could give a us a better explanation on how the hell the war started and why does the Soviets want to take over the world. |
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Red Alert's main story is sparked by Einstein building a time machine in 1946, and going back to kill Hitler in 1924, thus preventing the European WWII as we know it. The WWII of Red Alert is caused when Stalin, having secured power in the 1950s, decides it is time to expand his borders, in essence making the idea of the EEIA older than VC itself - albiet, this EEIA is the USSR. This imperialistic Soviet Union also contains hints of Nazi Germany (also like the EEIA, though less obvious). Stalin eventually crosses the Soviet-Polish border, sending the Red Army marching through Europe, (in Allied canon) reaching as far as France before they are pushed back (Soviet canon dictates Soviet Victory, and 'Russia's Borders stretch from coast, to coast'). The Soviet motivation behind the invasion of Europe is Manifest Destiny (RA2 seems to be Revenge, and RA3 is unclear, since the war is halfway through when the Player starts)). Also, DC, Commander Douglas Hill actually uses that line on the player in Red Alert 3: Uprising, which is not based on Anime (though, it does have a faction based on Anime... which, dictated by canon, is defeated), it's based on the Red Scare and corny B-Movies... and is much more cynical than VC is (hence, my belief that the Soviets could probably take Europa with their own forces: their existance in a more cynical - if loonier - timeline has made them more advanced in that respect. Building a horde of Apocalypse tanks in the field doesn't help, and how their faction music is often rendered as Heavy Metal really doesn't aid peacefulness - really, if you name tanks after the end of the world and roll into battle with a deathcore version of March of the Soviet Tankmen, you're probably killing for giggles.) Also, right on the acronyms. GCP = Gallian Communist Party, EEPLA = East Europan People's Liberation Army. The idea that Communist revolutionaries end up taking over the Federation's smaller states bordering with the former EEIA (The EECP, East Europan Communist Pact) comes from the Soviets funding the Communists in Spain. If similar was happening in Europa, the EECP would possibly aide them to get more allies (and the upper hand once EWIII roles along). Also, that last part... wait... that sounds familiar... mixed with my 'Commie Imps', that could actually end up a Vietnam-esque rendition of WWII, which also lets us have 'VC: Modern Combat' and still have the original's style (Really, the Viet Cong didn't have 'uniforms' per se, though the NVA did.)
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that could be arranged...maybe yea, but i want perfect quality xD ah well...close enough Oh and I think they stole that quote from Bertrand Russell who once said, "War does not determine who is right - only who is left" amongst many other great quotes |
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Cookie for you. Of course, this could be different from the RA3 Hammer tank (or the RL KV85), since I'm going to use 'KV' as the Soviet MBTs (with the Hammer and Rhino acting as Light and Heavy, respectively), IS as the high-end stuff (ala Paradox), and T as the lighter stuff (so, the true Soviet counterpart to the LP-45 and GT-1 would be the T34/76. Fitting, given the Soviet's focus on Tanks.)
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On a related note, I intend to have different versions of both the Gallian and Imperial troops for Regular and Elite (which will be a purchasable upgrade, thanks to the RockPatch and NPatch), and I figure I'd use the black coloration for Imperial Elite troops (coloring them red could cause mix-up with Soviet troops), and the Soviet equivilant, 'Advanced Armor', will actually change the .VXLs used by units produced from that point on to look heavier (extended barrels, bolt-on armor, different, dark brown color, to the lighter tan/green colors normally used), but what will the Gallians do (I was considering having the uniforms change to a 'Wehrmacht Gray', but that would be too Imperial/Soviet looking.) Quote:
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i think the original comment was made around wwi or ii, don't recall, anyway, that mission was... well it was pretty funny, its RA afterall i think their inspiration came from some domino-style placed GLA demo traps from the days of generals |
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Also, should I include the Soviet Grenadier? I can probably find a .SHP for him, and I also found a potential Gallian counterpart to the Rhino, thanks to a voxeler who made a German Tiger Tank (with my own changes to color and appearance, it would work as a Gallian Heavy tank). Quote:
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oh and apparently is capable of going 50 km/h =_=" someone didn't do their research i always thought the shamrock was tiny, but then i see this picutre Quote:
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o.o that's why we're completely ditching team colours and your right, that does look too much like the soviet colours >.> why do the soviets look gray? i always pictured them to be green or olive like in ra3. i mean, most of the cold war era equipment was green wasn't it? Quote:
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i wonder if they got any new tanks in VC2...selection right now is rather limited eh? xD My mistake i actually played generals before playing ra2 xD that was a long time ago... Last edited by SoggySoyBean; 2010-01-23 at 19:13. Reason: updated prices |
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[QUOTE]and your right, that does look too much like the soviet colours >.> why do the soviets look gray? i always pictured them to be green or olive like in ra3. i mean, most of the cold war era equipment was green wasn't it?[QUOTE] True, and I have no idea why Westwood went with making Soviet vehicles normally gray in cutscenes (in game they are vastly different coloration, from bright red to tan/red), but they also made the Allies a lighter shade of gray (though, the Allies won't feature more than a few units who pop up to help you as a Gallian, so they don't warrant a faction). Quote:
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My favorite part of the story was when they showed the Federation as a power just as reprehensible... just not as a part of this game. (The Capture the Princess sequence) While the WWII analogue would point to an eventual Federation victory... I have a feeling they don't want it to be quite that simple. I'd agree on the idealistic slant, but I think it's a little complicated too.
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You're right on VC's idealistic slant. I will admit, it was quite refreshing for cold, cynical me, who'd been playing games on the cynical end of things (Before VC, I played the fairly cynical Command & Conquer series, normally as the Uber-Cynical factions [which normally doubled up as having the heaviest armor]). Another reason why, in a war between the VC and Red Alert universes, Red Alert (even if it had identical tech) would crush Gallia beneath all four of its treads - even the most idealistic side (the Allies) are cynical enough to use agressive strategies (such as classic Blitzkriegs).
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I'm personally glad they mixed everything up, uniforms, names, weapon statistics, weapon designs, politics, etc. its not a good idea to associate them with historical ones imo |
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Might I ask, which one? EDIT: I'm considering using a slight trick in this (if only to amuse myself with the idea of multiple Alicias), in having the Proto-Alicia vary depending on the Player's faction (for instance, the Gallian Proto would be the 'real' Alicia with a recolor headscarf, the Soviet would be one of the ones at the upper right corner of Alicia's 3rd page [with a different haircolor - perhaps a redhead?], and perhaps the Imperial one could be the Garrison Cap Alicia seen on the last page [again, with a different haircolor - I often wonder what Alicia would look like as a bonde]). Quote:
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