2010-05-29, 04:25 | Link #2002 |
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This movie tends to lead to more questions than answer now. Oh well I am loving it. I LOVE Mari, even tho I am an Asuka fan. But somehow it kinda saddens me that they changed her character. She was for me a quite a weird one, with the death of her mom and trying to prove she is the best. In the movie, she's a loner because she chose to, and not being the best does not really bother her that much. She did open her heart to accept other people due to her interactions with Shinji, but that kinda don't make sense. In the TV series, they have a love/hate/love relationship with each other, but in 2.0, they only had one talk when Asuka sleeps on his bed.
I am still puzzled on the Eva itself. It's implied that it don't really need a soul, since Mari can pilot both Unit 05 and 02 flawlessly. But the rejection of the dummy plug by 01, and Gendou's line implies that Yui's soul is in there. So either only unit 01 have a soul, or Mari is actually an angel, which also don't make any sense as Kaworu is also there Kaworu prematurely ending 3rd impact, and the fact that Seelee forbids Gendou and Fuyutsuki to land on the moon must mean that they had figured out Gendou's plan already somewhere along the way. ahhh~~ the sweet smell of conspiracy. But I do believe that this is a continuation of End of Eva, and not just a remake |
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2010-05-29, 06:22 | Link #2004 |
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Mari has to be a NORMAL schoolgirl,well...sort of
But to me,she seem to have motive to destroy the EVAs...another reason why I say she is with some organisation that oppose SEELE(destroying EVA would delay the human instrumentaliry plan) At the sametime,she fight the Angel as well...the angel would kill everyone if they got to Lilith anyway... |
2010-05-29, 10:14 | Link #2008 | |
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Quite frankly it's pretty obvious she has an important role to play. The fact that she's been moving around in the background of the events occurring, operating for some other organization. This is most clear when she lands on the school roof and radios in. I'm insanely interested in who she's working for and what their end game is.
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2010-05-29, 13:26 | Link #2009 | |
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Also note that the world does not exist at the end of the original show. The world might be rebuilt but it wouldn't be the same. Eva 2.0 shows we are not going the same route since we're basically past that point. Likely shinji will be forced to deal with this world rather the escape to build a new one. Last edited by bigdeath; 2010-05-29 at 16:06. |
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My difficulty with this is that since Anno is taking the helm here, unlike something like Angelic Days (Which I actually find quite a bit silly), I expect him to make something that truly shocks me, shakes my very soul like the original NGE. I don't want something that all it serves is to provide fanwank, like re-polished Eva fights, fanservice, etc. Quote:
Still, Asuka isn't even a real bitch anymore like she originally was. She's just a typical Tsundere, with a shallow amount of emotional development given. She's also not nearly as prideful as her original self. But look, I'd accept this if this was some sort of fan creation, but this is Anno and is essentially canon almost on par with the original Evangelion. Quote:
Being able to not give a lot of development is one thing, but changing the entire character is another. That's what bothers me. I still don't understand the merit of completely changing the characters. That should be left for fan creations, a world where you can do whatever you want with the series. Quote:
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Again, I don't think the Rebuild movies are "bad" from an objective stand point, but they aren't legendary like the original Evangelion TV series. It's only when I take account the fact that I simply can't separate the two from each other in my viewing, that I feel very angered. Quote:
I kid. But honestly, Asuka Shinji and Misato had to be my three favorite characters from the original. So it realllllllllyyyyyyyy pains me to see Asuka changed in manner that I find disagreeable. As for Mari, I've already talked about her enough. Quote:
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2010-05-29, 16:01 | Link #2012 | |
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@Reckoner but your complaints are that the characters are different when thats sort of the point of rebuild. Rebuild the characters to make a new ending. Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time. Poor Anno, having to be held to such ridiculously high standards. I don't believe Anno ever thought Eva would be so ground breaking. Ha, lesson to be learned is make something good but not too good or else fans will look down on your other work as not a great as your "perfect creation". Last edited by bigdeath; 2010-05-29 at 16:13. |
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2010-05-29, 16:51 | Link #2013 |
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Apparently owning more physical Eva related stuff is far more important than how you understood, accepted and loved the original characters the way they were and to feel them robbed off their emotions and turned into looney toons to be more lovable and easy to chew is just so wrong. I guess i won't believe in me i'll believe in you who believes i'm delusional.
I'll just stop here and hope the next 2 movies will make up for the loss.
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2010-05-29, 16:56 | Link #2014 |
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They lacked emotions in the original were 2d more than anything. Shinji the one that lacked any confidence, Rei who lack emotion and viewed herself has nothing more than a doll, and the endless bitch queen. They seems more real to me in the rebuild were events do effect them and they change and grow.
True, owning more stuff doesn't make you more of fan but neither does refusing to except rebuild because it dared to change characters. Nothing wrong with thinking Rebuild is worst than the original but that does not make one a true fan either. Clearly Anno thought there was another way he could tell the story of eva. If he just wanted to milk Eva he would have just remade the original with the exact same content with just better artwork (a la Star Wars). Instead he took the big (and apparently very real) risk of pissing off old fans to make a new story. I think Anno should be applauded for that at least. As for Mari, she was just introduced in this movie while the focus was on other characters. I suspect she will have a larger roll in future moives. Considering that 2.0 was her Introduction, that means the 2 last movies no longer need to worry about that and can focus on her mission. It adds mystery to 3.0 about what will happen. Last edited by bigdeath; 2010-05-29 at 17:12. |
2010-05-29, 17:19 | Link #2015 |
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Wow, the new directions these movies are heading is quite refreshing. I was thinking this was going to be a rehash of the original with new scenes added, but I love the way the movies are going. It is like watching something new, and I am taking it as something new.
I was saddened by Asuka's demise, but the preview with her one-eye (argghh, matey, me be a pirate now), was so promising. I love her new character and outlook in life, much better than her depressing, suicidal tendencies of the original. Also, at the end, whatever the guy's name is attacking Shinji, said that this time, no matter what, he will make Shinji happy. This leads me to believe that he and Shinji have met before, leading to some of the comments already listing that this could be a continuation of End of Evangelion. I can't wait for movie 3 and then 4.
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2010-05-29, 18:18 | Link #2016 | |
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You don't have to be a fan of the TV-series to objectively asses the contribution of it to the medium. For example it had innovative mecha designs, clever budget allocation, more complex character development, transformed stills to accent the atmosphere and style of the series, etc. In a way that had not been done, or to such an extent, before. Expecting that the Rebuilt movies would be as revolutionary as the TV-series is impossible. You can't push the envelope with the same invention twice. Anno's directing skills cannot affect that, no matter how good they are. |
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Edit: It could be my mistake because he said to "erase the third child". I kept thinking Asuka is the third child. Then I rechecked, and it looks like Rei called Asuka the second child. Now, I'm confused. Who is the first, second, and third child again?
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2010-05-29, 18:44 | Link #2020 | |
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I reject that notion. I can love and respect the original characters the way they were AND enjoy the new version. |
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