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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 5 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 50 | 47.17% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 22.64% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 14.15% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 10.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.83% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.94% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.94% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.94% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2010-11-07, 22:22 | Link #121 | |
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Sorry, this arc just had too many logic holes for me.
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2010-11-07, 22:26 | Link #122 |
Paper-Fan of DOOM!!
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While I am the biggest moe-nut I know, this direction for Kaori's character may not be the best idea:
Making her vulnerable, indecisive and "cute" has the same effect of what happened when the same was applied to Kanu Unchou of the Ikkitousen franchise: Damage of character integrity. Both warrior women are defined by the fact that they are (legally) adults who are the sole voice of reason, maturity and dignity amongst the women of the cast. For crying out loud, we are already more than satisfied with a cast of adorable 14 to 16 year old Tsunderes, nuns, busty glasses clad shy cuties, mikos and psycho twin tailed lesbians. Yay, I'm taking Kuroko-chan AND Index-chan home with me!! There is NO need to lower a dignified and honorable Lady Warrior, a noble Dragon Amongst Men, to the level of a helpless and vulnerable child to further pander to the indiscriminant need for cuteness.
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2010-11-07, 22:32 | Link #123 |
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Well, I like it. But- this is exactly what happened in the light novels, so I can't really complain. But Kanzaki can still kick rear no matter what- but honestly, couldn't you see this coming? I certainly did from the Angel Fall arc.
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2010-11-07, 22:42 | Link #124 | |
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It might not help that she... uh, wasn't that "dignified" and have that cold(-ish) persona to begin with. Her coldness stemmed from her being unable to save Index from losing her (Index) memories of her (Kaori) and the aftermath of it.
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2010-11-07, 22:53 | Link #125 |
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Ding ding ding. If it's that dangerous, why in god's name would you have anyone even touch the damn thing. It should have been buried in some vault underwater where nobody has access to it instead of trying to decode it. Did they mention if you can burn or destroy the book or not? This arc was a mess.
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2010-11-07, 22:59 | Link #126 | |
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Touma did ask "If it's that dangerous, why don't you just burn it?" Index: "Magic books don't burn."
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2010-11-07, 23:07 | Link #127 | |||
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Rome Catholic and Angelican don't share information too often, Index isn't going to tell which method works or not, she does all the decoding in her head. And you're not getting my point, they do not want the book decoded at all. No they're not going to take that chance, no they don't need that power at all. and yes they would resort to killing her if they deem so. Quote:
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No, you cannot destroy magic books, that's the problem in the first place. The second best thing they could do is to seal it. However that means that people would still find reasons to fight for them. Orsula was trying to decode the book because she figure by understanding how the book is written, she might be able to find a way to destroy them. That is why she wanted to decode the books, and this is obviously against the wishes of the Church cause despite all their talk, those who control the grimoire control a very powerful weapon and they wouldn't want it destroyed.
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2010-11-07, 23:34 | Link #128 |
less qq; more pewpew
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The only way to destroy any original grimoire without resorting to Imagine Breaker is to decode it first. And do you even remember what happens when you even try to read and understand the text of an original grimoire? Learn to pay attention.
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2010-11-07, 23:54 | Link #129 |
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Destroy magic books? Index pointed that out already that the reason why they are sealed instead of destroyed is because they can't be done so.
Decode? Look back to episode 1, one of the possible consequences of trying to understand a grimoire. A normal magician reduced to the level where cats can injure them.
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2010-11-08, 05:38 | Link #130 | |
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I'm curious how Orsula was able to decode the book--albeit unsuccessfully--if she didn't have access to the Vatican's secret library. Apparently they put digital copies of religion-ending magic tomes on their library computers so students at Seminary can write their dissertations? |
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2010-11-08, 06:20 | Link #131 | ||
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Look at it this way, even if Orsula doesn't intend to use the Book of the Law, what happens if someone were to kidnap her and coerce her into revealing it? The Book is nothing without a decoder, and since you can't destroy the book, you kill the decoder. You know, they never did explain why the Book is considered so dangerous, aside from the whole 'end the age of Christianity' thingy. It was said that the original author of the Book of the Law, 'Edward Alexander', was able to summon an 'Angel'. Angels in Toaruverse are beings that beyond powerful, they have spells that can affect the planet on a global scale as well as control other celestial bodies like the Sun and stars. Quote:
Or maybe she had access to the real Book, but nobody thought she could actual do it?
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2010-11-08, 07:25 | Link #132 | |
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By the way, why was it that Kanzaki was just an observer? I couldn't really understand her role in this arc. I mean, I got that the Amakusa are trying to make up for apparently getting slaughtered in previous battles and want to follow "a righteous path" because Kanzaki felt guilty for their deaths, but really, I didn't get why Kanzaki was there at all. Her role seems kind of forced and contrived in this arc. I'd rewatch it, but the parts where she's on screen seemed mostly throw-away. |
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2010-11-08, 07:30 | Link #133 |
Princess or Plunderer?
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She was the main reason why the Amakusa were fighting for their beliefs. However, she has decided that she wants them to learn to fight without her presence, so that they can develop on their own. One can call Kaori's care for Amakusa as somewhat motherly, don't you think?
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2010-11-08, 07:34 | Link #134 | |
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first and foremost how the heck does the book of law was send to the japan to begin with. Well the Roman Catholics use it for making their religion bigger. They plan to display it on a museum now look at that why would they display a grimoire on a museum just for ordinary japanese to look at it and be evangelize to become a catholic. But like an ordinary citizen can even understand such thing. Well for an ordinary citizen a grimoire is just a book. Look at index she doesn't have mana that's why she's the store or library of books. Theirs a borderline of magicians and espers. One who doesn't release an Aim is not an esper and can become a magicians. Now they are displaying it to see a possible recruit. Look at Agnese background story. She's in dumps. The anime skips the part where she even eats garbage and cockroach to survive. But the Roman Catholics found her and find potential on her and recruit her. They use the book and their gospel to find recruits and make their over 2 billion member more bigger. Now back to the grimoire of why even show it to the public. Well a magician would be toasted if he/she reads it but an ordinary citizen without magic training or any kind of training in manipulating mana would probably take less damage but their would be a reaction. And if their is a reaction their is potential. Now the troublesome part is here. If you had potential it's either join or be abandon or worst be killed by the Roman Catholics. Remember the Roman Catholics of toaruverse are the same when the Roman Catholics are still not known around the world. They go to your country conquer you and spread their words. Dark Times. Now back to the book of LAW. The book of law is known for "MAGICIANS" that it would lead to Christianities end but it's not like a normal citizen would understand such thing because for them it's just a book. For a magcian a grimoire is poison. Look at episode 1. They purposely show it so you would understand on what would happen when a lowly magician tries to "PEAK" a "BIT ONLY" on the grimoire. Ouma from episode 1. Still didn't fully acquire the book he need. His still beginning to read it but the damage is that fatal already. Now if a magician tries to decode that book of law. Imagine what would happen. Many tried to decode but many was sacrifice too and all that sacrifice are in vain to begin with. Because all lead to "wrong" answer. It's not the answer that they expect it would lead them too. To destroy a grimoire one needs to know it's content because hidden on it is the way to destroy it. Grimoire are protected with the magic knowledge embedded on it. The knowledge itself is the poison that would rot your brain. Now onto the book of law again. Why was it in japan? for advertisement or gospel or channelization or just for the sake of "ordinary people" to know christianity. To become wildly known. But when the news of the "book of law" is being sent to japan for displaying of course magicians would be interested on it and not just ordinary people. Magicians that want to destroy the reign of Roman Catholics. It works as a way to spread Roman Catholics and also a trap to lure on who wants to end it. That's why I said it's either join, abandon or be killed law. The roman catholics sealed the original book of law inside the deepest vault of vatican library which is protected by vatican. Now if you want to go agains the roman catholics headquarters then you need to at least bring down an arch angel level to go against them. Their are lots of copies of book of law. But that's useless for magicians because it doesn't had the knowledge they need but can be used as a reference for grimoire decoders like Orsola. Orsola evangelize and spread the word of god and with it she also studies grimoire and ways to destroy it. And the book of law being the most dangerous she wants to destroy it the most. Roman catholics doesn't had a single reason on wanting it to be decode even if it would lead to destroying it because the even if at first you want to destroy it. The knowledge might poison your mind or you would ended up drunk by power and ended up going against them.
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2010-11-08, 07:39 | Link #135 | |
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As for Kanzaki's motive, she just wanted to see if the Amakusa have strayed from their path, and whether they could carry on without her or would they just fall apart.
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2010-11-08, 09:36 | Link #136 |
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Because if they don't really intend to use the magic book, but just threaten that they will then it's a bluff anyways!
They are already planning to bluff. They don't plan on actually using such destructive power. So why do they need to actually decode it? Just bluff that they decoded it as well. Look- it didn't even need to change the plot. Someone could point out that a bluff is dangerous and commits them to a high risk of being called on it. Then they decide to go with Touma's plan- which is fine by me, that would make sense. But instead they made it seem like the problem was that the decoding wasn't correct, which made the bluff impossible. You all got your fanboy blinders on. I like A Certain Magical Index, but this arc just sucked. There is some potential there in the story, but the execution was terrible.
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2010-11-08, 10:06 | Link #139 | |
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2: The anime still should be able to stand on it's own without having to refer back to the text. I don't mind the text adding to the richness of the anime, but the anime shouldn't be full of plot holes.
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2010-11-08, 10:27 | Link #140 | |
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(Actually, rather than an Angel, I suppose summoning a big flaming golem would do the trick as well... Which was what they did.) The funny thing is, if you can accept that the bluff might not work, then why do you condemn their plan to jump straight into setting up a giant Innocantis? Does it really matter so badly that they show every single options to consider? For that matter, what issue do you have with the plan than they eventually used? Was it wrong in anyway? Maahhh~ I wouldn't call it a fanboy blinder, I'm just more open to ideas that might explain certain actions, rather than take the easy way out and label things as 'plotholes'. Plus it helps to not exaggerate minor details and stuff.
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