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Except for one location, there is no one to be seen in the bedroom. No one was seen in the bathroom. Unless Battler convinced everyone that the closet was a portal to Narnia and everyone crowded inside it... |
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2010-08-05, 17:43 | Link #4102 | |
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A conservative definition would suggest that a work is not intellectually dishonest where no such promises have been explicitly made by the author (permitting something like Fight Club), but for the mystery genre generally and Umineko specifically that would be moot.
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2010-08-05, 17:47 | Link #4103 | |
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2010-08-05, 17:47 | Link #4104 | |
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It also has one more snag now that I think about it graphically -- Window B is both a window of "the cousins room" and the window of "the next room over", so once one seal is torn off, the other remains. EDIT: If we define a "living room" between those two bedrooms marked blue and green, however, where people listed in the list marked red are, Kanon doesn't need to escape anywhere. There's still a question how he evaporates in the end, though, but he could still be dead.
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2010-08-05, 17:48 | Link #4105 | |
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2010-08-05, 17:49 | Link #4106 | ||
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EDIT: By the way, I should clarify: Your theory is not Shkanon. Your theory is a mere subset of Shkanon. I am attacking your theory, but it is still theoretically possible that Shkanon is true (and if it is true I am certain your theory is not the variant in use). You seem to make this mistake a lot. Regardless of the intellectual honesty or dishonesty of Shkanon, your theory necessitates intellectual dishonesty of a different stripe entirely in addition to any inherent dishonesty in Shkanon.
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2010-08-05, 17:57 | Link #4107 | |
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I'd feel more comfortable with my theory if I could actually find evidence supporting "a room inside a room", but for now the cups and coins is all I have. None, actually. The reason it disappoints me in particular is because of how early the fanbase discovered it. |
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2010-08-05, 18:00 | Link #4109 | |
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In short, the fact that it was discovered early could be considered a "good sign". |
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2010-08-05, 18:01 | Link #4110 | |
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So... according to this theory, everyone's decided to set up camp in the room with Battler's corpse in... somehow? "Battler's guestroom" was fairly well defined by red. Shkannon just seems better since... well, it solves both elements at once, in a slightly cheeky way, and it would be close to Beatrice's heart (although it'd only be helpful in a couple of other closed rooms). We've also had lots of truths suggesting the same name can't apply to multiple people, although if someone owns both names in the first place... yeah. And this wouldn't be the first time Kanon's body has gone walkabouts... I mean, unless you can find some way the whole of episode 6 was leading up to "the gamemaster is allowed to arbitrarily mess with the geography of the board". |
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2010-08-05, 18:01 | Link #4111 |
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Evidence of *-trice != evidence of Shkanon. Shkanon != Shkannontrice. Shkanon is a theory formed out of the exclusion of disproving evidence. If we are willing to accept that this is the truth, the door is open to any theory which operates on similar grounds.
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2010-08-05, 18:09 | Link #4113 |
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To be definite about it we'd need to look up everything actually said about the composition of the cousins room across the entire text. I definitely don't believe that there's four beds in a single monolithic room though, as far as I'm aware hotels normally stop at three beds per bedroom and I don't believe the kids would not be separated by gender.
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2010-08-05, 18:10 | Link #4114 | ||
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The physical construction of the guestroom is clearly defined, but not the physical construction of the cousin's room. Cups and coins. Actually, there's... quite a lot of evidence for it really. Just not solid evidence. |
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2010-08-05, 18:13 | Link #4115 | |
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Certainly we can consider "negative" evidence as evidence. I'm not saying we can't. I'm saying when we do, and when we base supposedly all the answers (still waiting to know what those are of coruse) on it, we open ourselves to alternative explanations equally as undefined. One can say the same thing about most of the popular theories right now. They all essentially rely on some degree of "clues presented by not presenting a clue otherwise."
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